Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024 (Read 11808 times)

rpoL98

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2024, 10:22:14 PM »
seems this all started with kids racing, or speeding down the residential street, something to do with a graduation party.  That's what triggered this event.  Cops should've stopped that, instead of concerned citizens putting themselves at risk.

did somebody call 911 on that?  on the kids speeding recklessly?  if so, I wonder what the dispatcher response was?  "I'm sorry but there's nothing we can do ...", and the rest is now history.

or nobody calls 911, because as we all know, by the time the cops get here, it's "all quiet on the western front", only crickets.

Guns aren't the problem here, it's their own kids (again) behaving irresponsibly.  a whole bunch of "dindu nuffins" of the local variety, "neva do nating"..  bad parenting?  lazy parenting, "kids will be kids"?  irresponsible parenting?  coupled with lack of respect for their neighbors.

cops can't be everywhere, but they sure-as-hell ought to be responding lickety-split to flash-in-the-pan community problems in an area known to be a tinder-box, BEFORE things get out of hand.  yeah, they're too busy.  "ain't nobody got time fo' dat."

as usual, the true instigators go unpunished, the true causes are blatantly and conveniently ignored, to suit a narrative.  After all, it is the democrat way.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2024, 01:32:28 AM by rpoL98 »

ren

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2024, 06:00:37 AM »
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/09/04/man-arrested-deadly-waianae-shooting-believed-he-had-protect-his-home-family-attorney-says/

BLUF: Run, hide, call 911 but don't EVER LAWFULLY PROTECT YOUR FAMILY OR PROPERTY YOU WILL BE ARRESTED!
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QUIETShooter

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2024, 06:43:20 AM »
This is Hawaii.  We do things differently here.

 :D

 :crazy:

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

QUIETShooter

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2024, 06:48:29 AM »
Seriously though, still trying to see if any information of the victims were released.

One victim was identified.

But who are they?  Family?  Friends?  Just Tenants?

The victim family is worried about "retaliation."

I think the Silva family should be too.  Can they be sued?
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

QUIETShooter

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2024, 07:17:10 AM »
seems this all started with kids racing, or speeding down the residential street, something to do with a graduation party.  That's what triggered this event.  Cops should've stopped that, instead of concerned citizens putting themselves at risk.

did somebody call 911 on that?  on the kids speeding recklessly?  if so, I wonder what the dispatcher response was?  "I'm sorry but there's nothing we can do ...", and the rest is now history.

or nobody calls 911, because as we all know, by the time the cops get here, it's "all quiet on the western front", only crickets.

Guns aren't the problem here, it's their own kids (again) behaving irresponsibly.  a whole bunch of "dindu nuffins" of the local variety, "neva do nating"..  bad parenting?  lazy parenting, "kids will be kids"?  irresponsible parenting?  coupled with lack of respect for their neighbors.

cops can't be everywhere, but they sure-as-hell ought to be responding lickety-split to flash-in-the-pan community problems in an area known to be a tinder-box, BEFORE things get out of hand.  yeah, they're too busy.  "ain't nobody got time fo' dat."

as usual, the true instigators go unpunished, the true causes are blatantly and conveniently ignored, to suit a narrative.  After all, it is the democrat way.

Agree with you.  This incident stems from a lack of consideration and respect for other people.  Simple as that.

I also think guns were not the problem.  But Hawaii doesn't see that.  We can bet that guns will be front and center as to why this problem occurred.  Which is false.

To me, guns were the solution.  A person used his legally obtained firearm to protect life and property.  From a person who was intent on harming people and another's property.  With firearms that were not registered or obtained legally.

The 42 year old who shot Silva had a clean record accept for some traffic violations.    Yet HPD arrested him, charged him with 2nd degree murder and held him overnight in jail.

I guess the only other way he could have avoided that is:

Hello, 911?  Please send an officer to my residence.  You see, this guy is trashing my residence and cars with a huge front loader while shooting my family and guests.  Oops, he shot one.  Please hurry.  Oh no, there goes another one.  Can you hurry please?  thank you.  Aloha.

I don't mean to make fun of this tragic incident but wanted to show how ridiculous the expectations of what Hawaii wants us to do in situations like these.  Act like sheep?

Logan at the press conference declaring that Hawaii is not a STAND YOUR GROUND state and if you shoot someone, regardless of the circumstances, you will be arrested.  What happens after will be at the discretion of the prosecutor.

Very disturbing.



Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

ren

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zippz

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2024, 07:40:53 AM »
Logan at the press conference declaring that Hawaii is not a STAND YOUR GROUND state and if you shoot someone, regardless of the circumstances, you will be arrested if not a police officer.  What happens after will be at the discretion of the prosecutor.

fixed it for you.

Rocky

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2024, 08:55:34 AM »
   This is not necessarily a "self defense", issue, but rather a "defense of others" issue.

    The perp already shot 6 people, 4 which were killed at the scene before being taken down by the home owner.
Did not the home owner stop the perp from killing more ?
 Should he not be hailed as a hero ?
 
   And by the way, why is the perp not considered a "mass shooter"    :wacko:
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zippz

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2024, 09:16:09 AM »
Gun control groups and politicians have been silent on this one.

QUIETShooter

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2024, 09:42:40 AM »
fixed it for you.

Yeah.  I was thinking the same thing.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

QUIETShooter

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2024, 09:48:55 AM »
Gun control groups and politicians have been silent on this one.

Let's hope it stays that way.  I don't see how the 42 year old can be crucified on this.

But I'll be willing to bet they were trying.  And I bet they are still trying because they are unwilling to admit that a firearm was used in a good way to stop further killings.

One of the commenters on YouTube recommended that HPD beef up their clerks in the firearms division because more people will be acquiring firearms.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

macsak

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2024, 10:38:27 AM »
i heard a rumor his morning that the silva guy recently had a really bad medical diagnosis
no excuse for what he did though....

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2024, 11:42:41 AM »
i heard a rumor his morning that the silva guy recently had a really bad medical diagnosis
no excuse for what he did though....

I'm not a mental health specialist, but whether or not that rumor is true, it demonstrates an important point.

No matter how many background checks, mental health evaluations, invasive medial records checks or in-person psychological evaluations the state mandates, it's never going to solve the problem.

Someone can pass the tests 100%, then suffer a head injury, traumatic event such as bad breakup, divorce, death of a relative/s or especially a child, develop an addiction to prescription or illegal drugs, fall in with some bad "element", become addicted to gambling, lose their job and house, receive a devastating medical diagnosis, etc, etc. 

These events can cause someone to 'snap', and there is no way to prevent it.  Sometimes is a compilation of events over time until the weight of it becomes overwhelming.

The same things that cause suicides can also cause a 'need' to harm others as well.  Sometimes it's a means to an end if they are unable to kill themselves.  They commit crimes in the hopes someone else will end them.

Trying to isolate, identify and "society-proof" people with these problems is an impossible task.  That's why the mentally ill were institutionalized for decades until the 1980s.  Now it's a question of who pays for the institutions and whether the mentally ill have the same rights as the rest.

I guess the gun grabbers never saw the movie The Village.  No matter how hard you try to control the population, it's just not possible.  Human behavior is going to always include violence because of mental illness or a lack of moral/social conscience.  There's no way around it.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2024, 12:10:38 PM »
This case reminds me of the berserk business owner who used a jeep to run over sea birds a few weeks ago.
What, Me Worry?

randay

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2024, 12:50:32 PM »
4 people died in what basically amounts to road rage. Senseless deaths in my opinion.

On a related note, the willingness of people to comment and speculate on tragedies in a way that compliments their own narratives is disgusting.

45Lima

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2024, 04:50:31 PM »
i heard a rumor his morning that the silva guy recently had a really bad medical diagnosis
no excuse for what he did though....

Someone shot his dog.

RIP Hiram✌🏼
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KJCole

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2024, 05:13:58 PM »
We need Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine

Q

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2024, 07:11:06 PM »
Someone shot his dog.

RIP Hiram✌🏼

Could you go into more detail?

It's hard getting info on both sides of the story

dafrtknocker

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2024, 07:44:04 PM »

rpoL98

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2024, 07:59:12 PM »
is it the law, that if somebody is shot or "made dead", that the person allegedly the shooter, must be arrested and booked on murder charges?  Is this one of those Karl Rhoads things?  lawfare?