Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024 (Read 11823 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #60 on: September 19, 2024, 02:18:57 PM »

Swooossshhh and not even in a funny way.

Can't answer the question I see so you have to insult me instead to cover. Why not just avoid answering.

zippz

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #61 on: September 19, 2024, 06:49:24 PM »
What made you think they were disappointed? Is it something other than the quoted section? (I don't have a subscription to the webpage.)

When I read the quoted sentence I don't get any impression of disappointment. The language used is pretty neutral.


When you have an issue with something, that means a roadblock or problem doing something.

What I get from the article is the goal is to prosecute the guy for murder, but the "issue" of self defense is preventing them from doing it.

Self defense in the incident should be promoted for stopping a bad incident from getting worse

rpoL98

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #62 on: September 19, 2024, 06:52:29 PM »
they'll be asking Karl Rhoads to help resolve this "issue", so it doesn't interfere with the prosecution in the future.

dafrtknocker

zippz

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2024, 06:22:43 AM »
What made you think they were disappointed? Is it something other than the quoted section? (I don't have a subscription to the webpage.)

When I read the quoted sentence I don't get any impression of disappointment. The language used is pretty neutral.

I'll give you an example.  I have to decline going to the bar with you guys tonight due to issues of having to celebrate my son's 1st birthday.

changemyoil66

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2024, 08:15:31 AM »
Can't answer the question I see so you have to insult me instead to cover. Why not just avoid answering.

SWWOOOOOSSSHHHH again.  1 reason why I reply in this manner when the answer is obvious.

QUIETShooter

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2024, 08:40:24 AM »
All you gotta remember is what Chief Ballard said, "Is it worth it?"  She's saying they will do everything and anything to make people think and feel it's "not worth it".

Of course she's no longer Chief but Logan was selected and conforms to the same mold.

I never thought that even in your own home you cannot stand your ground when your loved ones is being shot at and a front loader is destroying your property.

I never thought that even an anti-gun state like Hawaii would be this biased toward the right to protect yourself and loved ones.  In your own home.  smh.

But now we know.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2024, 10:06:14 AM by QUIETShooter »
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

zippz

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #67 on: September 25, 2024, 11:43:00 AM »
More tidbits on the shooting.

Silva had a unregistered AK47 and verbally threatened to kill them all.  I heard that Silva was shot in the back while walking away, I presume with the rifle in hand.  Silva's statement would lead me to believe the threat wasn't over and helping to justify the self-defense shooting.  An 8 round clip in a 9mm Glock leads me to believe it was a Glock 43 with a extended 7 round magazine.  I have that gun, and it's difficult to shoot accurately so I can see why he missed.  A small gun better suited for CCW than for home defense and not something Id feel confident using against an AK47.  Reminder to keep spare mags with you.


Waianae man who killed charging neighbor: ‘I going stop him’
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2024/09/25/hawaii-news/man-who-killed-charging-neighbor-i-going-stop-him/

"Silva was driving a front-end loader stacked with fuel drums and was armed with an unlicensed AK-47 assault rifle and handgun."

"“I thought he was done. Then he started going again, so I ran upstairs to grab my gun,” Keamo-Carnate said, noting the registered firearm was a 9 mm Glock handgun."

"“He (Silva) was saying, ‘They like come to my house. They think I playing. I going kill ’em all,’” said Rishard Keamo-Carnate"

"Keamo-Carnate emptied his eight-round clip and went back upstairs to grab more ammunition and turn off the lights in the home to make it harder for Silva to identify targets. After reloading, Keamo-­Carnate saw Silva and opened fire a second time. Silva died of a gunshot wound to his torso."

ren

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #68 on: September 25, 2024, 11:55:16 AM »
More tidbits on the shooting.

Silva had a unregistered AK47 and verbally threatened to kill them all.  I heard that Silva was shot in the back while walking away, I presume with the rifle in hand.  Silva's statement would lead me to believe the threat wasn't over and helping to justify the self-defense shooting.  An 8 round clip in a 9mm Glock leads me to believe it was a Glock 43 with a extended 7 round magazine.  I have that gun, and it's difficult to shoot accurately so I can see why he missed.  A small gun better suited for CCW than for home defense and not something Id feel confident using against an AK47.  Reminder to keep spare mags with you.


Waianae man who killed charging neighbor: ‘I going stop him’
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2024/09/25/hawaii-news/man-who-killed-charging-neighbor-i-going-stop-him/

"Silva was driving a front-end loader stacked with fuel drums and was armed with an unlicensed AK-47 assault rifle and handgun."

"“I thought he was done. Then he started going again, so I ran upstairs to grab my gun,” Keamo-Carnate said, noting the registered firearm was a 9 mm Glock handgun."

"“He (Silva) was saying, ‘They like come to my house. They think I playing. I going kill ’em all,’” said Rishard Keamo-Carnate"

"Keamo-Carnate emptied his eight-round clip and went back upstairs to grab more ammunition and turn off the lights in the home to make it harder for Silva to identify targets. After reloading, Keamo-­Carnate saw Silva and opened fire a second time. Silva died of a gunshot wound to his torso."

You have a Glock that uses clips? Must be collectors item
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #69 on: September 25, 2024, 11:56:16 AM »
More tidbits on the shooting.

Silva had a unregistered AK47 and verbally threatened to kill them all.  I heard that Silva was shot in the back while walking away, I presume with the rifle in hand.  Silva's statement would lead me to believe the threat wasn't over and helping to justify the self-defense shooting.  An 8 round clip in a 9mm Glock leads me to believe it was a Glock 43 with a extended 7 round magazine.  I have that gun, and it's difficult to shoot accurately so I can see why he missed.  A small gun better suited for CCW than for home defense and not something Id feel confident using against an AK47.  Reminder to keep spare mags with you.
...

There is a Glock that uses a standard 8rd magazine, but not 9mm:

https://us.glock.com/en/Pistols/G38
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #70 on: September 25, 2024, 12:00:11 PM »
There is a Glock that uses a standard 8rd magazine, but not 9mm:

https://us.glock.com/en/Pistols/G38

I think HIVE makes a +2 extention.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #71 on: September 25, 2024, 12:00:27 PM »

When you have an issue with something, that means a roadblock or problem doing something.

What I get from the article is the goal is to prosecute the guy for murder, but the "issue" of self defense is preventing them from doing it.

Self defense in the incident should be promoted for stopping a bad incident from getting worse

Thank you for your explanation, I do not read that sentence in the same light though. To me I think it was a neutral way of saying that certain facts within the case would have made it difficult to impossible to prove that an unjustified killing took place without going into the details. I do not think the comment should be interpreted as them saying they wanted to prosecute but unfortunately facts got into the way.

I could just as easily use the word "issues" to describe not doing I didn't want to do as doing something I did want to do.
For example: "I was sentenced to go to prison but my attorney found issues in with the case and my conviction was overturned" or "I have to drink gross kale smoothies to be healthy but issues with the blender meant I didn't have to drink it today"

eyeeatingfish

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #72 on: September 25, 2024, 12:01:05 PM »
SWWOOOOOSSSHHHH again.  1 reason why I reply in this manner when the answer is obvious.

Sadly you have turned into a troll. You used to be better.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #73 on: September 25, 2024, 12:04:08 PM »
So you are doubling down on your refusal... gotcha

Argumentative.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

changemyoil66

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #75 on: September 25, 2024, 12:10:53 PM »
Sadly you have turned into a troll. You used to be better.

Someone is mad at being swoooossshhhhhhed.

ren

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #76 on: September 25, 2024, 12:14:38 PM »
you guys should race
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changemyoil66

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #77 on: September 25, 2024, 12:29:20 PM »
you guys should race

too much cardio. How about boto measuring contest?

ren

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #78 on: September 25, 2024, 02:14:51 PM »
too much cardio. How about boto measuring contest?

Aren't you Asian?
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oldfart

Re: Waianae shooting and loader incident 4 dead Aug 30 2024
« Reply #79 on: September 25, 2024, 02:31:02 PM »
too much cardio. How about boto measuring contest?
....
I ready to judge :rofl:
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