Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat (Read 13791 times)

Kuleana

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2025, 08:41:40 PM »
All the US politicians taking Chinese bribes were pro-ww3.
So, China bribed US imperial officials in hopes they would bring upon WWIII; thereby, killing off all of China's customers that shop at Temu and Alibaba?   ???



The CCP was using us as a proxy to attack Russia.
For you to even offer this notion is insulting to everyone's intelligence and something even the neocons and imperialists would dare not say.

I know the Trump administration made it clear that it wants to destroy BRICS and will try to persuade Russia in becoming one of its vassal states.  But Zelinsky is the one addicted to crack and cocaine not Putin.  Hence, this let's-be-friends gambit is not fooling anybody in Russia, China, or the other countries in the free World for that matter.

hvybarrels

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2025, 09:36:24 PM »
The bio weapon labs in Ukraine were built by the same people who were running the program in Wuhan

Careful Russia. The CCP has no allies.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

MassConfusion

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2025, 08:58:52 AM »
Who ever said the mineral resource deal was ours?  Hearing from a couple places that the Uk ate our lunch over there.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2025, 11:51:28 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2025, 10:11:26 AM »
Zelinsky could have done better but the performance from Trump and Vance was shameful.

changemyoil66

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2025, 10:12:32 AM »
After this event, Zelins went to the UK. It seems like he didn't get what he wanted, so he came back now stating peace and to make a deal with the US.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2025, 10:17:51 AM »
It's time to throw the demorat traitors in jail.
I would like to see them in GITMO.




For what? Meeting with Zelinsky and advising him in a manner different than Trump's wishes wouldn't amount to a crime.

changemyoil66

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2025, 10:25:20 AM »
For what? Meeting with Zelinsky and advising him in a manner different than Trump's wishes wouldn't amount to a crime.


SWOOOOSSSHHHHHHHH

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2025, 10:34:32 AM »

SWOOOOSSSHHHHHHHH

Covering for the fact you don't have anything smart to say?

changemyoil66

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2025, 11:24:25 AM »
Covering for the fact you don't have anything smart to say?


Hahhahahha SWOOOOSSSHHH X2.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2025, 09:25:15 AM »

Hahhahahha SWOOOOSSSHHH X2.

I suppose you buy into the "master negotiator" theory then? Trump acts tough on Ukraine and nice to Putin just to get Putin willing to talk? Zelinsky is a dictator who started the war but Putin abducts Ukrainian children and bombs civilian targets and he is a great guy.

Funny how Obama got eviscerated for bowing to an Arab leader but Trump gives a figurative hand-job to Putin and that is ok because it is his master negotiation skills at work. I never believed the story about Trump being on Putin's side but his actions recently have made me second guess that. Trump literally repeats Russian talking points about the war

changemyoil66

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2025, 09:49:01 AM »
I suppose you buy into the "master negotiator" theory then? Trump acts tough on Ukraine and nice to Putin just to get Putin willing to talk? Zelinsky is a dictator who started the war but Putin abducts Ukrainian children and bombs civilian targets and he is a great guy.

Funny how Obama got eviscerated for bowing to an Arab leader but Trump gives a figurative hand-job to Putin and that is ok because it is his master negotiation skills at work. I never believed the story about Trump being on Putin's side but his actions recently have made me second guess that. Trump literally repeats Russian talking points about the war

I haven't followed Barry too much, so IDK what arab leader you're referring to.  I"m going to assume he met with many arab leaders in his 8 year term.

I have seen some post that Zelinskky is ready to sign a deal as of 2 days ago.  It involves giving up some of Ukraine, which he would have lost anyways if he were to join NATO.  Not being a member of NATO, and shared revenue from minerals.  IDK how true this is.

And FYI, it's not "master negotiator", it's referred to as "art of the deal".

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2025, 09:59:47 AM »
I haven't followed Barry too much, so IDK what arab leader you're referring to.  I"m going to assume he met with many arab leaders in his 8 year term.

I have seen some post that Zelinskky is ready to sign a deal as of 2 days ago.  It involves giving up some of Ukraine, which he would have lost anyways if he were to join NATO.  Not being a member of NATO, and shared revenue from minerals.  IDK how true this is.

And FYI, it's not "master negotiator", it's referred to as "art of the deal".

Regarding Obama's bow, Obama was meeting with some Saudi leader and he bowed. It was a big news story and it was discussed here in the context that it was inappropriate for a US leader to bow to another leader and was terrible.

Ultimately we will have to wait and see what the final deal is. Maybe Trump can work something respectable for Ukraine, maybe he can't, just have to wait and see.

changemyoil66

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2025, 10:06:03 AM »
Regarding Obama's bow, Obama was meeting with some Saudi leader and he bowed. It was a big news story and it was discussed here in the context that it was inappropriate for a US leader to bow to another leader and was terrible.

Ultimately we will have to wait and see what the final deal is. Maybe Trump can work something respectable for Ukraine, maybe he can't, just have to wait and see.

I think there's nothing wrong with a bow or showing respect to a foreign leader.  I'm sure many POTUS bowed to the Japan PM or like leader.

So far, everything the fake news made a big story about, ended up working out well.  So if I go by their track record, then a deal will be reached that leads to peace.  It's called giving the benefit of the doubt due to the fake news stories.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2025, 10:18:23 AM »
Regarding Obama's bow, Obama was meeting with some Saudi leader and he bowed. It was a big news story and it was discussed here in the context that it was inappropriate for a US leader to bow to another leader and was terrible.

Ultimately we will have to wait and see what the final deal is. Maybe Trump can work something respectable for Ukraine, maybe he can't, just have to wait and see.
The problem with that bow is that Obama was educated into Islam while very young and living in Jakarta, Indonesia.  He's made statements to the effect that he knows no sweeter sound than that of the call to morning prayer.  He's made other statements such as how he was uniquely qualified to bring peace between the US and Middle East because of his Muslim faith and education.

Yet he continued to profess he is a Christian.

With that much uncertainty surrounding his religious beliefs, it's not good optics to be bowing to any Muslim country's leaders -- not when he's representing the most powerful nation since at least WWI.  His actions are one factor in why his visit to the Middle East was labeled an Apology Tour.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2025, 10:21:55 AM »
I think there's nothing wrong with a bow or showing respect to a foreign leader.  I'm sure many POTUS bowed to the Japan PM or like leader.

So far, everything the fake news made a big story about, ended up working out well.  So if I go by their track record, then a deal will be reached that leads to peace.  It's called giving the benefit of the doubt due to the fake news stories.

I agree on the bow.

As far as a peace deal I am not going to count my eggs before they hatch. I do not approve of Trump's conduct but I must be charitable and leave room for considering maybe it is something he can pull off.

changemyoil66

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2025, 11:34:13 AM »
I agree on the bow.

As far as a peace deal I am not going to count my eggs before they hatch. I do not approve of Trump's conduct but I must be charitable and leave room for considering maybe it is something he can pull off.

Well, Zelinkskky came back and agreed to a 30 day cease fire, which can be extended indefinitely.  Putin has to agree to the terms now.

It's a good thing that Trump didn't act the way that you wanted him to.

Kuleana

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2025, 12:10:53 PM »
Putin has to agree to the terms now.
Does everyone in the US empire thinks the Russians are a bunch of idiots?

According to the ceasefire agreement, the US empire would resume military aid and intelligence sharing for Ukraine to obviously continue the fighting at a later date.  With Russia clearly winning all over Ukraine right now, why would they accept a ceasefire just for the promised military aid from the US empire make its way to the frontlines of battle unhindered?

Nyet!

macsak

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2025, 12:18:18 PM »
subject-verb agreement is a thing...

Does everyone in the US empire thinks the Russians are a bunch of idiots?

According to the ceasefire agreement, the US empire would resume military aid and intelligence sharing for Ukraine to obviously continue the fighting at a later date.  With Russia clearly winning all over Ukraine right now, why would they accept a ceasefire just for the promised military aid from the US empire make its way to the frontlines of battle unhindered?

Nyet!

Kuleana

Re: Trump-Zelinsky oval office spat
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2025, 12:49:28 PM »
Careful Russia. The CCP has no allies.
You must be dying laughing now from your own statement above.

With Trump's overt alienating the US empire's so-called allies in Europe and throwing tariffs on everybody else, how can it now not be clear that it is the US empire that truly has no allies but vassal states that is to be used, abused, and discarded when they are no longer needed.