i guess you don't realize that trump does not own the properties, he just licenses his name...

What?  He owns many properties, not everything is his name licensed....

sure more sources.  Let's go a bit further and convince me not to vote for Trump and why I should vote for Biden.

I could careless who you vote for not trying to convert anyone.  Just calling out bullshit when I see it.  Don't want this forum and the gun community to be a trumpism echo chamber.  Doing my part.

I could careless who you vote for not trying to convert anyone.  Just calling out bullshit when I see it.  Don't want this forum and the gun community to be a trumpism echo chamber.  Doing my part.

I am curious to everyone's voting this year.  This poll is mostly anonymous from what I gather.  Personally I am voting Biden this year.  Trump lost my vote, I was going to none vote but fuck it the last week pushed me over the edge.  I voted for Trump last year.  This is going to be my first democrat vote ever I think. 

Recently the topic of silent majority vs vocal minority came up, while I doubt its the case on this forum who knows.

The reason why this is a Trump echo chamber is because of Biden's irrefutable statements that he will take away your guns. This is a pro 2A forum. Trump champions our 2A rights. If Biden will come forth and support national CCW, eliminate anti 2A laws, deconstruct all State firearms registries then he will most likely get some support from this 2A forum.

None of that said conversion. I just curious.

I could careless who you vote for not trying to convert anyone.  Just calling out bullshit when I see it.  Don't want this forum and the gun community to be a trumpism echo chamber.  Doing my part.

Yes, Doing your part in helping Biden take away our guns. Why bother buying more guns when you're going to vote for someone who will take them away. This is a pro 2A forum.



and if you own an AR-14 - he's coming for that too...didn't you buy one?

Are there laws on where a President can hold social events at? Does he have to look in the GSA catalog?

I could careless who you vote for not trying to convert anyone.  Just calling out bullshit when I see it.  Don't want this forum and the gun community to be a trumpism echo chamber.  Doing my part.

I could care ___ less about who you vote for.  Just that you openly state that you are going to vote for someone that is counter what you feel as you're "doing (your) part".  IMO, it's anyone's right to vote for whoever they want to vote for.  I just hate people who do so out of ignorance.  I have family that are just like that, and I ask them the same questions I do here. 

And this isn't a "trumpism echo chamber", I think he's ridiculed all the time.  I know I do.  That said, you're just all whiney about why folks just don't listen to your feelings and see your point.  Well, you are "calling out bullshit when I see it", well, don't get all salty when your BS is called out. 

I could care ___ less about who you vote for.  Just that you openly state that you are going to vote for someone that is counter what you feel as you're "doing (your) part".  IMO, it's anyone's right to vote for whoever they want to vote for.  I just hate people who do so out of ignorance.  I have family that are just like that, and I ask them the same questions I do here. 

And this isn't a "trumpism echo chamber", I think he's ridiculed all the time.  I know I do.  That said, you're just all whiney about why folks just don't listen to your feelings and see your point.  Well, you are "calling out bullshit when I see it", well, don't get all salty when your BS is called out.

I don't get salty,  If i am wrong I admit it, unlike most folks here.   And you can't deny other than a few people here the loudest majority are very pro trump and ignore all his shortcomings.  I just want to fact check them so the gun community doesn't go too far right and out of touch.  I seek to save the community that I feel is the best option to protect gun rights.  I am un-apologetically opinionated.  I will fight for what I believe is right.

I don't have ill will or anything against this community.  I just want to make us, better, stronger and have a better future.   I am sure you are all doing the same but with different ideas.  Its NOT bad to have different ideas.  Everyone can have their own opinion.  This is America. 

Yes, Doing your part in helping Biden take away our guns. Why bother buying more guns when you're going to vote for someone who will take them away. This is a pro 2A forum.



and if you own an AR-14 - he's coming for that too...didn't you buy one?

He will never take guns away, no matter all the stupid laws he passes they are all bans of purchasing that I know about.  Even if he did pass a "take away" law it wouldn't past muster in court.  I doubt it would pass the American public either.  I wouldn't give my stuff up. I comfortably own well more than enough assault rifles to not need any more.  If a ban passes and the court doesn't squash it the next decent pro 2a candidate will get my vote and we can undo all the harm done.   Its only 4 years. 

There's just values I hold that are just as important as guns or more and trump doesn't believe in them.  Sacrifices must be made. 

:facepalm:

Throws mic away...

:facepalm:

Throws mic away...

I have to ask might not be the best to pose to you but others please chime in. I will use a topics people are familiar with but feel free to substitute things you believe in.  The anti 2a candidate is against a majority of things you believe in.

Two candidates

One is pro 2a but is also pro abortion and climate change. (etc etc insert x belief)

One is anti 2a but anti abortion, wants low taxes, small government, capitalist, pro religious freedom (etc etc insert x belief)

Who would you vote for?

He will never take guns away, no matter all the stupid laws he passes they are all bans of purchasing that I know about.  Even if he did pass a "take away" law it wouldn't past muster in court.  I doubt it would pass the American public either.  I wouldn't give my stuff up. I comfortably own well more than enough assault rifles to not need any more.  If a ban passes and the court doesn't squash it the next decent pro 2a candidate will get my vote and we can undo all the harm done.   Its only 4 years. 

There's just values I hold that are just as important as guns or more and trump doesn't believe in them.  Sacrifices must be made.

smh

smh

Its just a common label don't read into it. I could say ar15 but they are not all AR's. 

You are drinking too much coolaid.  Biden isn't bernie he's more centrist democrat. That's like saying a vote for trump is a vote for dictatorship.

Free healthcare
Free healthcare for ILLEGALS
Free college
Only jobs that the GOVERNMENT decides are needed (Green Energy)
The entire Green New Deal is a Socialist's Pipe Dream.  If you haven't read it, it's all about the economy, not Climate Change.
Authoritarian national mandates on wearing masks
Banning all assault weapons -- which includes anything they decide it includes
Banning "large capacity" magazines -- who decides what arbitrary number is "large?"
Limiting gun purchases to one per month, as if that will ever stop a single crime.
Banning online sales of all guns, ammo, gun parts and accessories.  Completely unconstitutional interference in commerce.
Higher taxes, especially corporate, will again force manufacturers to retreat to other countries, taking those jobs with them.

Bernie Sanders and Biden are working together on these policies.  They both said so.  AOC is also "advising" Biden.

If you can't see the obvious, I can't help you.

I could careless who you vote for not trying to convert anyone. Just calling out bullshit when I see it.  Don't want this forum and the gun community to be a trumpism echo chamber.  Doing my part.

Bullshit.

You give YOUR OPINION ONLY.  That doesn't PROVE "what you THINK BS is"  actually is BS.

If you can't back up you opinion with logical and factual arguments, then you're spewing  BS -- by definition.

Its just a common label don't read into it. I could say ar15 but they are not all AR's.

it's a common leftist, anti-gun label

you don't need more ARs because you never shoot the ones you already own...

I have to ask might not be the best to pose to you but others please chime in. I will use a topics people are familiar with but feel free to substitute things you believe in.  The anti 2a candidate is against a majority of things you believe in.

Two candidates

One is pro 2a but is also pro abortion and climate change. (etc etc insert x belief)

One is anti 2a but anti abortion, wants low taxes, small government, capitalist, pro religious freedom (etc etc insert x belief)

Who would you vote for?

First, again, you're totally missing HUGE points here.  Not score kine points btw.  Can you not see the hypocrisy of some of your recent posts (including other threads)?  You're all over the place. 

If you are asking me if I am a one issue voter, no.  That said, you'd have to put things into context for me to answer.  It depends.  You seem to base your views on beliefs, which many I think are not grounded in reality.  Again, it's ok to be an idealist, but we don't live in a world of ideals. 

Bullshit.

You give YOUR OPINION ONLY.  That doesn't PROVE what you THINK is BS actually is.

If you can't back up you opinion with logical and factual arguments, then you're spewing  BS -- by definition.

I provided sources but ok...I forget that if facts dont fit you its fake news.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/trumps-2000-conflicts-of-interest-and-counting/

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-spent-one-third-presidency-visiting-business-properties-report-1455319

I can find more if you worried about its authenticity.

Conflicts of interest?

You mean how Biden has been in bed with the banks and credit card companies, passing laws that rape the customers and made the banks billions?

Or how Hunter Biden had contracts in the Ukraine with a corrupt, criminal Energy Oligarch and was paid millions, even though he knows nothing about energy?

Or the 350 Million the wife of the mayor of Moscow (That's in RUSSIA!!!!!) paid Hunter, which was reportedly used in part to support human trafficking?

Or the Millions that China paid not only Hunter, but several in Biden's family?

No conflicts there.   

I provided sources but ok...I forget that if facts dont fit you its fake news.

The sources you posted had no EVIDENCE.  Just opinions.