The Officer doing the COVID check in today told someon ethat they will be doing the appointments first and if have time available, the would be taking the walk ins.

If that's the case, be prepared to wait a LONG time for walk ins.  When I went the past few times there was no time before or after me.  Imagine waiting for hours till someone skips. 

I forgot to ask when i was there.  But since new reg appointments are no longer being put out, is the 5 days to register after its acquisition is back in effect if you dont have an appointment already.

Dont everyone feel the need to go on monday. Iges proc is still active.

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That makes too much sense.

lol, you're right about that!

Here are the new registration guidelines taken straight from HPD's site, https://www.honolulupd.org/information/firearms/

Walk-in registration for firearms will begin on Monday, May 10, 2021 at the HPD Firearms Section at 801 S. Beretania Street. Registrations will be limited to no more than 50 persons each day. Online registration appointments that were made earlier will be honored. However, new registration appointments may no longer be made online.

Appointments for firearms permits will continue to be online only.
No walk-ins will be accepted for firearms permits.

The public will not be allowed to line up before 7 a.m., and COVID screening checks and facial masks are required. Please be aware that street parking at HPD headquarters is presently limited due to construction work.


Looks like they will take up to 50 in-person registrations a day starting Monday, May 10.
Permits to acquire still need to be booked online - an almost impossible task to find an opening.
In summary, registration is a much bigger priority than issuing permits to buyers. Oh well, not surprising at all.

WTF that's worse.  I honestly liked the appointment system.  I was hoping for a hybrid.  Looks like instead of 50 registration slots online they making 50 people stand in physical line....that's fucking stupid.  They should have 2 lines.  One online and one offline...How does one complain to them so they can change their minds.

WTF that's worse.  I honestly liked the appointment system.  I was hoping for a hybrid.  Looks like instead of 50 registration slots online they making 50 people stand in physical line....that's fucking stupid.  They should have 2 lines.  One online and one offline...How does one complain to them so they can change their minds.

i'm sure they will change it right away for you...

Looks like HPD is eager to make sure they account for all the "evil" firearms out there which shows they are making efforts to service the firearm community but by restricting the permitting process they are clearly showing they are not.

Have a gun?  Wanna register it?  No problem.  Walk ins start May 10th.

Wanna own a gun?  Wanna get a permit to acquire?  Sorry, current appointments are booked solid for the next 90 days.  Keep trying........

Actually this may be better.

During covid i went there, maybe 2 or 3 times for pta and 2 times for registering.

Every single time i went i was alone except 1 pta. There was an old guy sitting and filling out paperwork.

Anyways, i spent time talking with the officers cause they had questions (nothing to do with my paperwork) it was like, my spray painting on the ar15s, my geissele trigger, work related stuff, etc. And maybe each time i spent 40-70 minutes talking. Some are on here, 2ahawaii so we talked some too.. as well as, I saw my friends couple times in the back so we talked as well lol. So many no shows that it was sickening. There couldve been hundreds of people who needed that time slot get their shit done.

I know i know, hpd gets paid by the hour, but even i get bored AF when its slow when i work.

So maybe if people dont show up for their appointments they can squeeze people in between slots? Or if a person finishes quickly like 5 to 10 min they can use the remaining time to fit another person in to register.

This works great for long gun people too!

Only time will tell to see how it goes.

i'm sure they will change it right away for you...

I'm sure I'm not the only one who would complain...appointments are amazing.   Most places use them.   Then having a secondary line for those who want to take their chance is how places like the dmv work.  It's a good system.   👍

I dont think the line will be that long
There are very little guns out there to buy
I have an appt coming up but I cant find anything that I want locally or online

Let's hope to end ALL the BS


HiFiCo---
HPD Confirms Intent to Violate HIFICO Settlement Agreement.

Last week we bought you the news that HPD intended to open for walk-ins on May 10th, Today they confirmed via their website that this is true.

From HonoluluPD.org;  "Walk-in registration for firearms will begin on Monday, May 10, 2021, at the HPD Firearms Section at 801 S. Beretania Street. Registrations will be limited to no more than 50 persons each day.... Appointments for firearms permits will continue to be online only.
No walk-ins will be accepted for firearms permits."

As you can see, HPD does intend to restrict access to the department based on the type of service needed and only to a limited number of people.

Right before the pandemic started, Hawaii Firearms Coalition Director Todd Yukutake filed a lawsuit against HPD and the State of Hawaii, alleging that its implementation of the permitting and registration laws was too restrictive in availability. With limited hours the scheme was burdensome and unconstitutional.

The City and County (HPD) quickly settled and in doing so, agreed that in addition to its regular opening hours  (8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m)  they would open from 7:45am until 6:30pm every Wednesday.  Not only that, but any person who was in line by 6:30pm will get assisted before the department closes.

Over the last year, HIFICO has let HPD get away with not complying with the agreement due to all other government buildings also being closed. Now that City Halls are open for walk-ins, and HPD has acknowledged that it can safely do the same, we intend to have them follow the legal agreement.

If HPD can open for walk-in registrations, they can also open for permit applications. The only reason they wouldn't do so is that they see their interest (in registering firearms) as greater than the public interest (in bearing arms). There is no medical basis behind this decision.

HIFICO has consulted with our attorneys on the Yukatake case. Should HPD go ahead with this restrictive plan, they will begin taking action to make sure HPD complies with its contractual obligations.

Let's hope to end ALL the BS


HiFiCo---
HPD Confirms Intent to Violate HIFICO Settlement Agreement.

Last week we bought you the news that HPD intended to open for walk-ins on May 10th, Today they confirmed via their website that this is true.

From HonoluluPD.org;  "Walk-in registration for firearms will begin on Monday, May 10, 2021, at the HPD Firearms Section at 801 S. Beretania Street. Registrations will be limited to no more than 50 persons each day.... Appointments for firearms permits will continue to be online only.
No walk-ins will be accepted for firearms permits."

As you can see, HPD does intend to restrict access to the department based on the type of service needed and only to a limited number of people.

Right before the pandemic started, Hawaii Firearms Coalition Director Todd Yukutake filed a lawsuit against HPD and the State of Hawaii, alleging that its implementation of the permitting and registration laws was too restrictive in availability. With limited hours the scheme was burdensome and unconstitutional.

The City and County (HPD) quickly settled and in doing so, agreed that in addition to its regular opening hours  (8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m)  they would open from 7:45am until 6:30pm every Wednesday.  Not only that, but any person who was in line by 6:30pm will get assisted before the department closes.

Over the last year, HIFICO has let HPD get away with not complying with the agreement due to all other government buildings also being closed. Now that City Halls are open for walk-ins, and HPD has acknowledged that it can safely do the same, we intend to have them follow the legal agreement.

If HPD can open for walk-in registrations, they can also open for permit applications. The only reason they wouldn't do so is that they see their interest (in registering firearms) as greater than the public interest (in bearing arms). There is no medical basis behind this decision.

HIFICO has consulted with our attorneys on the Yukatake case. Should HPD go ahead with this restrictive plan, they will begin taking action to make sure HPD complies with its contractual obligations.

Great how do we get this case started?

Lets just be happy they are doing something more. 

Anything is better than being stagnant.

Just by doing walk in registration,  it will open some slots for people who need it.

Baby steps, baby steps. Maybe if all goes well by the end of summer or whatever they will do walk in pta?? 

Edit: sorry, i still have the mindset of when we use to do all paperwork on the right hand side of hpd building lol. So i edited my above statement some

Great how do we get this case started?

case has been settled, the lawyers will be speaking to hpd on 5/10 or shortly thereafter, i believe

you can donate to the cause here:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=41336.0

What some are not realizing is that 1 should not need an appointment to purchase a firearm.  If someone wants to buy a handgun right now, they should be able to walk into HPD and start the process.  Not have to wait months to make an appointment, or wait in line for no one knows how long and if they even accept you.  Do people really think that as long as you are in line before 3pm, HPD will service you?  When I was there pre COVID, they cut the line at 2:15pm because it was long and were turning people away because they wanted to go home at 3pm.  Once I got to the window, I was done in 5 minutes because they wanted to go home on time.Where as normally once you get to the window with your paperwork, you're then waiting another 15 minutes for them to process it.

This brings to the 2nd part that really doesn't have to be said, but I will.  1 should not even have to go to HPD at all for anything. 

What some are not realizing is that 1 should not need an appointment to purchase a firearm.  If someone wants to buy a handgun right now, they should be able to walk into HPD and start the process.  Not have to wait months to make an appointment, or wait in line for no one knows how long and if they even accept you.  Do people really think that as long as you are in line before 3pm, HPD will service you?  When I was there pre COVID, they cut the line at 2:15pm because it was long and were turning people away because they wanted to go home at 3pm.  Once I got to the window, I was done in 5 minutes because they wanted to go home on time.Where as normally once you get to the window with your paperwork, you're then waiting another 15 minutes for them to process it.

This brings to the 2nd part that really doesn't have to be said, but I will.  1 should not even have to go to HPD at all for anything.

This 100%

My original post on this thread shows optimism.  I figured let them slowly ease into getting into the regular bullshit walk in procedures that were in place before covid.  I figured it was a start.

But after days of futilely trying to get a PTA permit and always getting a "already booked 90 days in advance" notice it can get a bit tiring.

HPD and the leaders of this (great?) state of hawaii better come to terms that people in hawaii want to own firearms.  And more so now with the current societal climate that was caused in part because of the fear mongering of this so called dangerous virus.

Deal with it, HPD.  It's not going to fu*kn go away.

What some are not realizing is that 1 should not need an appointment to purchase a firearm.  If someone wants to buy a handgun right now, they should be able to walk into HPD and start the process.  Not have to wait months to make an appointment, or wait in line for no one knows how long and if they even accept you.  Do people really think that as long as you are in line before 3pm, HPD will service you?  When I was there pre COVID, they cut the line at 2:15pm because it was long and were turning people away because they wanted to go home at 3pm.  Once I got to the window, I was done in 5 minutes because they wanted to go home on time.Where as normally once you get to the window with your paperwork, you're then waiting another 15 minutes for them to process it.

This brings to the 2nd part that really doesn't have to be said, but I will.  1 should not even have to go to HPD at all for anything.

Doesn't mean we should get rid of the appointment system.  Its pretty restrictive if to purchase a gun you have to physically stand in a "8 hour" line.  And be mandated by law to do so.  Basically losing 1-2 days of work every purchase.  A luxury many gun owners can't afford.   I would aruge is worse than waiting 90 days.  If you infinitely can't buy a gun because of not being able to sacrifice wages and time.  Big difference from appointments which have all been extremely quick for me. 

This 100%

My original post on this thread shows optimism.  I figured let them slowly ease into getting into the regular bullshit walk in procedures that were in place before covid.  I figured it was a start.

But after days of futilely trying to get a PTA permit and always getting a "already booked 90 days in advance" notice it can get a bit tiring.

HPD and the leaders of this (great?) state of hawaii better come to terms that people in hawaii want to own firearms. And more so now with the current societal climate that was caused in part because of the fear mongering of this so called dangerous virus.

Deal with it, HPD.  It's not going to fu*kn go away.

As was shown this past year with a record number of PTA (26,000+) and registrations (53,000+), even with their BS schemes
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=41154.0

Anyone who thinks there will be an "8 hour line" to wait in for PTA is blind and/or stupid.

That only happened during the Obama years and after super-great discount events, like Black Friday.

Most days, there are surges at the beginning of the day, during lunch, and right before end of the day.

Comparing an "8 hour wait" to sitting at home for 3 months waiting for an appointment?  Only an extremely lazy person would opt for the latter.

Now, if HPD can start weeding out the abusers who are creating the 90-day backlog, I'd be all for appointments.  Most online registrations require one to create an account, not only to make registering quicker and easier, but to:

1)  establish your identity -- anonymity causes all sorts of problems
2)  allow you to log in and see future and past appointments
3)  create a less stressful experience, since the user just has to log in, then can make/view appointments and not be asked for name, birthdate, address, etc. again and again.

Something as simple as that would put a halt to almost all the abusers.  Maybe their IT support is too busy to provide technical/administrative support for users who lock themselves out, forget their passwords or screw up the booking process and need help?  Not a good reason to leave it as is.