The Jab (Read 184569 times)

changemyoil66

Re: The Jab
« Reply #80 on: August 09, 2021, 01:52:37 PM »
#FakeNews
#StopPostingLies
#TrustGovernment
#TrustBigPharma
#TestingWouldHaveCaughtThat
#MustBeAnotherCause

I'm gonna ask my in-laws in Taiwan if they had a swine flu vaxx and any messed up kids after.  I mean they do have signs on the train "no pigs allowed".  So them using a vaxx isn't that far fetched.

omnigun

Re: The Jab
« Reply #81 on: August 09, 2021, 04:21:04 PM »
Please show where vaccine trials included having participants attempt to get pregnant and impregnate someone after months after being injected.

They are to live normal lives and report and issues...This would be an issue.  Unless you magically assume none of the trail participants tried to get pregnant.

omnigun

Re: The Jab
« Reply #82 on: August 09, 2021, 04:23:36 PM »
Wrong. Doesn't understand goal post moving.

This is why I asked you did you mean born or the ability to conceive, in not so many words. And you replied born.  That is why I replied with the dates when the regular folk were allowed to get vaxxed.  Then you replied about the studies.  And now are replying that 40,000 people were studied trying to conceive or mid term and babies came out fine. None of this is moving of goal post, but providing more info to the subject.

What you are now doing is trying to discredit what goal post moving is. That is why I stated you were wrong.

I felt that 40K is a lot of pregnant women. So I did 5 mins worth of google. And Pfizer alone began trials for already pregnant women in Feb 2021.  4,000 were chooses.  See below link:

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-commence-global-clinical-trial-evaluate

Moderna is 1000 woman that were already pregnant and began in July 2021

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04958304


FDA regulates preggers and vaxx trials.  I didn't read the below fully, so correct if needed:

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/fda-voices/global-regulators-envision-paradigm-shift-toward-inclusion-pregnant-and-breastfeeding-women-clinical

I couldn't find anything dated in 2020 or early 2021 by the first few pages of google. But like I mentioned only took about 5 mins to research.  I'm not arguing that your number of 40K is wrong, but just it seemed a little high. Also IDK if the links above are USA only or world wide.  So 40K may be possible.

I am going to look into this more because we will be planning for a family soon.

Trials started in 2020.  It does not have to be a goal to get pregnant for the trial to be accurate.  If there were any issues with the vaccines they would be reported. Over 9 months have passed since then.  Babies have been born.  Unless you beleive no one tried to have children.
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changemyoil66

Re: The Jab
« Reply #83 on: August 09, 2021, 04:34:36 PM »


Trails started in 2020.  It does not have to be a goal to get pregnant for the trail to be accurate.  If there were any issues with the vaccines they would be reported. Over 9 months have passed since then.  Babies have been born.  Unless you beleive no one tried to have children.

And here is the problem. "They would be reported".  Were they and were they brushed aside? The goal is to get pregnant for the trial to be accurate. Cause if 1 wasnt trying, then its moot.

Read macs post about reporting ceasing.

Over 9 months have passed, do reports show no one had miscarriages or unable to conceive? Unknown.

This is why time will tell and why there are skeptics. On paper, the vaxx looks safe. But so did that DPT vaxx.





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changemyoil66

Re: The Jab
« Reply #84 on: August 09, 2021, 04:36:38 PM »
They are to live normal lives and report and issues...This would be an issue.  Unless you magically assume none of the trail participants tried to get pregnant.
None magically had a miscarriage or unable to conceive.

It would be very difficult to prove or disprove conceiving. Miscarriages and birth defects would be easier.

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omnigun

Re: The Jab
« Reply #85 on: August 09, 2021, 04:51:27 PM »
None magically had a miscarriage or unable to conceive.

It would be very difficult to prove or disprove conceiving. Miscarriages and birth defects would be easier.

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True but conceiving issues would be seen today.  Over a billion people have the vaccine,  last time I checked there are no mass issues of people unable to get pregnant.  This is slightly out of scope compared to being born yes,  but never the less an statistic.  To say there are issues when there is no evidence is foolish.  Lets 100,000 people were in the trials over 9months ago.   Of those surely babies have been born.  They wouldn't be able to keep it a secret if not.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The Jab
« Reply #86 on: August 09, 2021, 04:59:42 PM »
They are to live normal lives and report and issues...This would be an issue.  Unless you magically assume none of the trail participants tried to get pregnant.

You mean the way you "magically assume" any issues having to do with fertility, miscarriages, birth defects, low sperm count, low egg production, and so on will manifest in less than a year?  And that the test group in 2020 actually included couples trying to get pregnant? 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: The Jab
« Reply #87 on: August 09, 2021, 05:22:16 PM »
You mean the way you "magically assume" any issues having to do with fertility, miscarriages, birth defects, low sperm count, low egg production, and so on will manifest in less than a year?  And that the test group in 2020 actually included couples trying to get pregnant?

So you choose to make up something that have not shown for a long term what if?   What if a chicken pox vaccine, 50 years later has some effect?  75?  When do you approve it? 

Scientists have shown that the covid vaccine is safe.  Until proven otherwise.  They have tested that theory of it affecting getting pregnant and if I recall it was proven that it has no affect.

ren

Re: The Jab
« Reply #88 on: August 09, 2021, 05:54:33 PM »
CPT Obvious to the ....yeah vax out for less than a year...claims no long term stats yet...uh duh.. :crazy:

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changemyoil66

Re: The Jab
« Reply #89 on: August 09, 2021, 05:57:33 PM »
This all boils down to if u trust the gov or not. They lied to the people for 4 years. Then moved goal post and flip flopped often about covid. Refer to covid thread for specific examples. Start with page 1.

Read macs post about Mike Rowe.

So we all know omni trust the gov. Same gov who proves "assault rifles" are bad and wants to ban them. I dont see him turning in any semi auto rifles or lowers he owns. They say 30rd mags are bad too.



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omnigun

Re: The Jab
« Reply #90 on: August 09, 2021, 06:03:45 PM »
This all boils down to if u trust the gov or not. They lied to the people for 4 years. Then moved goal post and flip flopped often about covid. Refer to covid thread for specific examples. Start with page 1.

Read macs post about Mike Rowe.

So we all know omni trust the gov. Same gov who proves "assault rifles" are bad and wants to ban them. I dont see him turning in any semi auto rifles or lowers he owns. They say 30rd mags are bad too.



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The government hasn't proved that.  Some politicians say that but it isn't a government policy.   I also don't see scientific proof either.   If the government and scientists are in concensus with proof I will listen too.

Glasser

Re: The Jab
« Reply #91 on: August 09, 2021, 06:29:05 PM »
https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1424871990247239681

Pfizer’s trial data showed no efficacy of the vaccine for those with evidence of prior infection.

FDA published this 8 months ago.

 The political scientists at CDC are trying to show otherwise by contriving studies that FDA would laugh out of the room if presented for approval




changemyoil66

Re: The Jab
« Reply #92 on: August 09, 2021, 07:51:42 PM »


The government hasn't proved that.  Some politicians say that but it isn't a government policy.   I also don't see scientific proof either.   If the government and scientists are in concensus with proof I will listen too.

Forcing the public to be vaxxed (non gov employees) isnt policy either. But we are headed in that direction.

So will u give up your rifles and rifle mags over 10rds?

MDA, ET, Brady all have scientific studies that the DNC listens to and uses. So i repeat, will u surrender ur rifles and mags because there is a 0.001% chance a felon may steal it and use it in a crime?

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macsak

Re: The Jab
« Reply #93 on: August 09, 2021, 07:55:15 PM »
So you choose to make up something that have not shown for a long term what if?   What if a chicken pox vaccine, 50 years later has some effect?  75?  When do you approve it? 

Scientists have shown that the covid vaccine is safe.  Until proven otherwise.  They have tested that theory of it affecting getting pregnant and if I recall it was proven that it has no affect.

please show the studies you are referring to...

hvybarrels

Re: The Jab
« Reply #94 on: August 09, 2021, 08:02:38 PM »
please show the studies you are referring to...

Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

Glasser

Re: The Jab
« Reply #95 on: August 09, 2021, 08:28:29 PM »
please show the studies you are referring to...

omnigun

Re: The Jab
« Reply #97 on: August 09, 2021, 08:38:16 PM »

Forcing the public to be vaxxed (non gov employees) isnt policy either. But we are headed in that direction.

So will u give up your rifles and rifle mags over 10rds?

MDA, ET, Brady all have scientific studies that the DNC listens to and uses. So i repeat, will u surrender ur rifles and mags because there is a 0.001% chance a felon may steal it and use it in a crime?

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If there was concensus between government and scientists.  Yes I would.   One biased study/s does not count.   You would have to factor all scenarios.  For home defense, defense of country,  Hobby.   Then correlate that with my ownership and possibilities.  What chance does a criminal stand to defeat locks, condo security,  and a safe.   Also a criminal stealing guns and using them is no fault of my own.   It would be like if someone stole covid viles and used it as a bio weapon.   Vs my ability to cluelessly spread covid.   Last time I checked is impossible to clueless spread bullets.   

Good luck.   Covid was a much easier study.   

macsak

Re: The Jab
« Reply #98 on: August 09, 2021, 08:43:40 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kob.com/articles/unmh-doctor-debunks-myths-about-covid-19-vaccine-and-pregnancy-6200242.html

https://baptisthealth.net/baptist-health-news/the-truth-about-covid-19-vaccines-and-infertility/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/the-covid19-vaccine-and-pregnancy-what-you-need-to-know%3famp=true

And so many more

none of those are studies
those are articles
focus

and you should further focus and actually read what you google
"It is important to know that no study to date has specifically evaluated the coronavirus vaccine in pregnant and lactating women, though there have been a few pregnant women who were inadvertently enrolled in the vaccine trials."
"The World Health Organization (WHO) states they do not have any reason to believe there will be specific risks that would outweigh the benefits of vaccination for pregnant women."

Glasser

Re: The Jab
« Reply #99 on: August 09, 2021, 08:44:53 PM »
Someone is ignoring the Chinese data that has been out since the beginning showing COVID spike proteins collect more heavily in Ovaries. Same spike proteins that are getting injected via the 'vaxxeen'. 5X higher than they do in the lungs.





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