The Kingdom cultists might want to hold off on the celebrating because when this whole shit show collapses you are going down with the rest of us.

Totally correct, the shit show is going to happen.

That is the one of the main reasons why we Hawaiian nationals want to delink from the US empire before it's too late.  We want Hawaii to be in a better spot to rebuild once the ceiling crashes.

So a fraction of a percentage of the Hawaii State population who can’t even manage to even come up with a workable constitution want to secede from the empire and then what? The rest of us magically disappear?

I present former President Trump into my arguments to highlight the point that a person's historic dealings in one arena does and should not have any bearing on activities in other areas per se.  For example, the anti-Trumpers are notorious for bringing up Trump's historic bankruptcies and womanizing in an effort to smear and discredit his efforts to MAGA when he was in office.

Dr. Sai's dealings in Land Court are a separate issue from his efforts to restore the Hawaiian nation state.  BTW, the illegal occupation of Hawaii by the US empire has never been exclusively litigated by any American court as of date.

you probably would've said that dr hannibal lecter "hosted dinner parties" and it should not reflect upon his scholarly work...

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As for those residents and their private property that are not descended from Hawaiian nationals, they would obviously have the option of staying in Hawaii as resident aliens or applying for Hawaiian citizenship as customary with other countries regarding this matter.

visions of grandeur and a romanticized vision of what life would be like based on a monarchy long gone over a hundred years ago. Some people like to live in the past.

A million people aren't just going to surrender their property rights and support a bunch of people who think they are qualified to lead but have zero track record of success.

This sounds like the fantasy of someone who hasn't had to work very hard for a living and expects everything to be handed to them.

Who said there would be private property confiscation in a restored Hawaiian nation state?

Furthermore, it is a very racist presumption to think Hawaiian nationals, not sell-outs, are not capable of running their own country as they did before the US empire illegally occupied Hawaii.


Once again, very racist for anyone to think that those who work towards de-occupation and restoration of the Hawiian nation state don't work very hard and expects handouts.

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Furthermore, it is a very racist presumption to think Hawaiian nationals, not sell-outs, are not capable of running their own country as they did before the US empire illegally occupied Hawaii.


Once again, very racist for anyone to think that those who work towards de-occupation and restoration of the Hawiian nation state don't work very hard and expects handouts.

I'd like to see a group of Hawaiians successfully run their own government, but every time they tried so far it always ends up as a racist autocracy or crabs in a bucket.

The irony of someone zealously advocating for a land to be "given back" to a group of people based purely on race, only to accuse others of making assumptions based on race, too.
Your ideas of how Hawaii only belongs to Hawaiians is outdated.

If you think schools excluding non-Hawaiian kids, political autonomy being given only to people of Hawaiian descent, and any other suggestion that includes only those same people isn't racist, you need to take a step back.

Just like reparations for slavery in the US, it's dividing the population based on race -- nothing more, nothing less.
How is that not racial discrimination (what most people call "racist" out of ignorance)?

So a fraction of a percentage of the Hawaii State population who can’t even manage to even come up with a workable constitution want to secede from the empire and then what? The rest of us magically disappear?

You are confusing the goals of Hawaiian nationals with some Indigenous group like Native American Indians.  Hawaii was and still is a sovereign nation state that is being illegally occupied by the US empire.

When I refer to Hawaiian nationals, I am not talking just about aboriginal Hawaiians, but all people that can trace their descendants back as citizens of the Hawaiian Kingdom regardless of race or ethnicity.


What the Bishop Estate does with their money for education is a private business matter that has nothing to do with Hawaiian nationals working for the de-occupation of their country.


I think you are approaching this issue from an incorrect perspective.  You say, "how can Hawaiian nationals working towards for the restoration of their nation state be dividing a population or something racist?"

What population is being divided?

What group are Hawaiian nationals being racist towards?

Or a puppet US backed government that's Hawaiian.