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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: musubi on January 17, 2013, 06:08:32 PM
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Not sure if the link will work, please cut & paste if not. This is it, thanks to Ihara & an unnamed:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=219 (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=219)
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Thanks! :shaka:
I read through it and saw no Grandfather clause in it. So all of us with AK's and AR's would essentially change to a fixed stock in order to "legally" keep our guns if this one passes. :'(
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because murder is "better" if you beat someone to death vs using a rifle.
nice.
by the way, im unsure of how the state level legislature works
what does this mean?
No upcoming hearings for this measure. To see a list of hearing notices for a particular measure, you may use the Hearings by Measure searchbox under the Search section to the left.
No upcoming hearings for this measure.
does this mean they just introduced it, and it hasnt actually been discussed yet.
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because murder is "better" if you beat someone to death vs using a rifle.
nice.
by the way, im unsure of how the state level legislature works
what does this mean?
does this mean they just introduced it, and it hasnt actually been discussed yet.
Process:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/docs/citizensguide/HowaBillBecomesLaw.pdf (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/docs/citizensguide/HowaBillBecomesLaw.pdf)
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ok, this is some serious shit. we need to mobilize big time on this. the national stuff is bullshit, this is serious.
there is no grandfather clause, and there's a clause of relinquishing.
this is clear language, we will have confiscation.
this is the serious shit.
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Did this asshole even read the existing law?
Machine guns are already prohibited.
Introduced by request? WHO?
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I particularly enjoyed the part at the end pertaining to extended punishment if you target individuals who are elderly, handicapped, or under 8 years of age. Apparently those groups of people are more important than the rest of us. It also reads, at least to me that anyone caught with an "assault" weapon is now comitted a class c felony.
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Well, looks like some of us fear-mongerers weren't too far off. I truly hope that they put some thought into this before acting prematurely. But considering how far left our state congress is, I fear the worst.
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ok, this is some serious shit. we need to mobilize big time on this. the national stuff is bullshit, this is serious.
there is no grandfather clause, and there's a clause of relinquishing.
this is clear language, we will have confiscation.
this is the serious shit.
Similar to Feinstein's bill but at the state level, and much worst because there is no republican filled house to forcefully oppose.
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Similar to Feinstein's bill but at the state level, and much worst because there is no republican filled house to forcefully oppose.
this is worse than feinstein's bill. there is no grandfathering clause. that spells confiscation, period.
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Thanks! :shaka:
I read through it and saw no Grandfather clause in it. So all of us with AK's and AR's would essentially change to a fixed stock in order to "legally" keep our guns if this one passes. :'(
Actually as it reads you would not even be able to get around it by putting on a fixed stock... Since those weapons are banned by name you can do any modification and it would not matter. It is only those weapons not specifically named that will be considered "assault" weapons using the outlined criteria.
Which leads to my previous post..
Sl34-C Possession of assault weapon prohibited. (a) Any
person who, within this State, possesses any assault weapon,
shall be guilty of a class C felony.
One section at the end reads:
SECTION 3. This Act does not affect rights and duties that
matured, penalties that were incurred, and proceedings that were
begun before its effective date.
Does this mean any of us with "assault" weapons before this law would potentially be enacted are exempt with current firearms? That is how it sounds to me.
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It also reads, at least to me that anyone caught with an "assault" weapon is now comitted a class c felony.
That is exactly what it says. So this is serious stuff. And as stated before Hawaii politicians are clueless dems that just blindly follow. There is a lot good chance of something like this passing.
I hate that fact that there's no grandfather clause. None of these people are considering the fact that Hawaii is a very safe state in terms of gun violence. Our laws are strict enough. Why punish us further?
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According to the original posted link, I don't read that it's illegal to possess an "assault rifle." It mainly bans the sale, transfer or use in a crime. Am I wrong in the interpretation?
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Refer to the top of the third page. That part is the part that governs our semi-only AR's and AK's. The part 1 you read refers to "select-fire firearms" which we are unable to own here in Hawaii and that are highly regulated. So even if they made that long list it was for naught. Just goes to show how little these idiots understand what they're talking about.
Actually as it reads you would not even be able to get around it by putting on a fixed stock... Since those weapons are banned by name you can do any modification and it would not matter. It is only those weapons not specifically named that will be considered "assault" weapons using the outlined criteria.
So if my AR had a pistol grip and a collapsible stock I could technically change to a fixed stock and be in the limits of that bill. It boils down to the language of the bill.
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Regardless of what happens, this should be a wake up call, that extends much further than guns. If gun owners put as much effort into ensuring every gun owner in Hawaii voted for republican candidates in the various districts as they do for keeping their guns, just maybe we wouldn't be in this mess. Many just blow it off, saying my vote won't make a difference but it does, especially when well organized and in numbers, similar to Saturday's event. In many districts, I believe it's quite possible to potentially get the necessary votes, but so often people just aren't voting and other aren't even registered. Until the political makeup in Hawaii changes, we will always be held hostage to Hawaii's liberal agenda.
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Not quite so fast.... This is just the first part of the definitions keep in mind.
PART . ASSAULT WEAPONS
5134-A Definitions. As used in this part:
llAssault weapon", excluding any firearm modified to render
it permanently inoperable, means:(1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic,semiautomatic, or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian
Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson
type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-
Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle
and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950, and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1, and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9, and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale
2013-0637 SB SMA.doc
Page 2 S.B. NO.zrg
FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9
and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi
SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech
Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch
HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10,
MAC-11, and MAC-11 Carbine type; Intratec TEC-9 and
Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger
Mini-l4/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion;
SIG 57 AMT and 500 series; Spectre Auto Carbine and
Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48, and G-3;
Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and
Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; UZI
Carbine, Mini-Carbine, and Pistol; Weaver Arms
Nighthawk; Wilkinson IlLindaIl Pistol;
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Refer to the top of the third page. That part is the part that governs our semi-only AR's and AK's
So if my AR had a pistol grip and a collapsible stock I could technically change to a fixed stock and be in the limits of that bill. It boils down to the language of the bill.
only if you dont have a flash suppressor/threaded barrel.
most of us would be shit out of luck.
my firearm is explicitly banned by name.
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I stand corrected. Oddly though not all brands or models of AR's are represented on the list. How does that work then?
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According to the original posted link, I don't read that it's illegal to possess an "assault rifle." It mainly bans the sale, transfer or use in a crime. Am I wrong in the interpretation?
§134-C Possession of assault weapon prohibited. (a) Any person who, within this State, possesses any assault weapon, shall be guilty of a class C felony.
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I stand corrected. Oddly though not all brands or models of AR's are represented on the list. How does that work then?
I believe it would fall into the next part where they say if it has two or more of the features outlined, similar to the 1994 ban. Seems that as written, it catches a huge amount of weapons.
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it catches pretty much everything.
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§134-C Possession of assault weapon prohibited. (a) Any person who, within this State, possesses any assault weapon, shall be guilty of a class C felony.
Thats how I interpreted it when I read it, unless I'm misinterpreting...can't own them, period.
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So then...what do we do? Does confiscation infringe on our 2A rights? Would the NRA would bring this to the SCOTUS if they indeed pass this? I mean, NY didn't even propose confiscation. Who's got our back on this?
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Maybe someone who is well connected, could possibly send this to a network like Fox for consideration. I could imagine someone like Hannity or some others airing this since it clearly infringes on the 2nd Amendment.
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Regarding the process, what kind of timeline are we talking about? Is there a point at which it (the bill) can get bogged down & buy gun owners some time? And finally, is there anyone on the side of the 2nd Amendment in either the Senate or House?
Bottom line, what can I do as an individual & what can we do united?
Ahui hou :shaka:
Boomah
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Unbelievable.
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Regarding the process, what kind of timeline are we talking about? Is there a point at which it (the bill) can get bogged down & buy gun owners some time? And finally, is there anyone on the side of the 2nd Amendment in either the Senate or House?
Bottom line, what can I do as an individual & what can we do united?
Ahui hou :shaka:
Boomah
Those are all good questions but your bottom line is extremely important.
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Thats how I interpreted it when I read it, unless I'm misinterpreting...can't own them, period.
That's how I read it too. I re-read it a couple of times before posting just to be sure, yet still hoped that I was incorrect.
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Ain't much in my wallet but this makes me want to empty it into whatever the most effective lobbying organization is going to be.
I'm not a "no more gun control!!!" kind of guy, exactly, but this is just stupid. Hawaii is already the 3rd least gun violent State in the Union (Behind Vermont and New Hampshire, which is fascinating.) What problem is this legislation trying to solve?
edit- corrected statistics.
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So, I'm reading that a stripped lower receiver not named in paragraph 1 and as long as we don't have all the parts to assemble or the same person doesn't have all the parts to assemble is legal to own?
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this is an outrage....so say I want to send my rifle to a friend out of state.... how do I go about doing this?
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FFL transfer and pay the shipping.
BEFORE the law is passed. The way it is written, I think, doing this after the bill is signed into law is illegal. Shoddy writing, that. The way this piece of crap is written we'd all pretty much become felons as soon as the governor's pen left the page. Meaning no grace period, no waiting for the law to take effect after it is signed, no provision for legal out of state sales. If you have a firearm that meets this definition of "assault weapon" you are instant felon upon the signing of this bill. Your only option is to surrender the weapon for destruction.
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I fukin knew it.
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so it's really happening huh?
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This is by far the most disturbing legislation I've seen to date... :( Don't know about you guys, but I'm passed pissed off that something like this is even proposed. I hope people get wind of this and come out this Saturday. Man this really leaves me with a feeling of hopelessness :'(
This is who introduced the bill... but states on the side (Introduced by request of another party) Anyone know what that means?
Senator
Ihara , Les Jr. (D)
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 220
Phone 808-586-6250
Fax 808-586-6251
E-Mail: senihara@capitol.hawaii.gov
S District 10
Kaimuki, Kapahulu, Palolo, Maunalani Heights, St. Louis Heights, Mo‘ili‘ili, Ala Wai
Ok, so I'm done pouting. I need some help with this, but can't we write to the senator of our district to report our concerns? Does anyone know how to start a petition to stop this bill from being passed? For now couldn't we contact our representatives directly to oppose the hearing, therefore stalling the bill? I'm just trying to be proactive...
*for people like me who have a hard time understanding how legislation works found this (hope it is accurate)
http://hawaii.gov/lrb/bill2law/ (http://hawaii.gov/lrb/bill2law/)
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So then...what do we do? Does confiscation infringe on our 2A rights? Would the NRA would bring this to the SCOTUS if they indeed pass this? I mean, NY didn't even propose confiscation. Who's got our back on this?
the courts aren't gonna un-confiscate our guns.
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Well, "happening" is subjective. The bill hasn't gone very far down its convoluted path to becoming a law so nothing is "happening" as of yet.
The law IS in process, though, and if we don't muster enough opposition to it it may well pass. Looks to me like the dickheads in our State legislature may be trying to compete with NY to capture the national stage. Hawaii prides itself on being progressive and this is would be an affective and high profile way to demonstrate that yet again. Especially after losing Inouye they may be trying to get some leverage in D.C. by being aggressive.
edit: it might also just die in committee. Lots of bullshit legislation gets introduced to make a point and never gets anywhere.
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Waco here we come. link left cold. as cold as I feel after reading this b.s. that is SB219.
h ttp://www.infowars.com/mayor-predicts-waco-style-standoff-in-response-to-obama-gun-confiscation/
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Well, "happening" is subjective. The bill hasn't gone very far down its convoluted path to becoming a law so nothing is "happening" as of yet.
The law IS in process, though, and if we don't muster enough opposition to it it may well pass. Looks to me like the dickheads in our State legislature may be trying to compete with NY to capture the national stage. Hawaii prides itself on being progressive and this is would be an affective and high profile way to demonstrate that yet again. Especially after losing Inouye they may be trying to get some leverage in D.C. by being aggressive.
edit: it might also just die in committee. Lots of bullshit legislation gets introduced to make a point and never gets anywhere.
this just scares me because i cant think of a single person in the legislature off hand with a record of voting on something like this.
i have absolutely no idea where we stand, good or bad. all i know is our state is liberal as hell, and a whole lot of our national representatives dont like guns.
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Reminds me of the pigs in Animal Farm.
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FFL transfer and pay the shipping.
BEFORE the law is passed. The way it is written, I think, doing this after the bill is signed into law is illegal. Shoddy writing, that. The way this piece of crap is written we'd all pretty much become felons as soon as the governor's pen left the page. Meaning no grace period, no waiting for the law to take effect after it is signed, no provision for legal out of state sales. If you have a firearm that meets this definition of "assault weapon" you are instant felon upon the signing of this bill. Your only option is to surrender the weapon for destruction.
I have a friend that lives in Texas, is it possible for me to just take it with me on a trip there and do the transfer there?
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if this gets close to passing, im sending my rifle to my uncle in oregon.
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I've already pinged my brother, too. :(
foolthrottle808 - BEFORE this version of the law is passed, yes, you can travel with your rifle as you do now.
Fucking insane. This would literally make criminals out of law abiding citizens with a pen stroke with zero considerations for how to handle that gracefully.
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Hopefully this is one of those deals where they ask for 110% with realistic hopes of getting less (hopefully MUCH less if at all). This bill, which is no where near a law yet, concerns me great deal. As currently written, it impacts me in a big way, as I am sure it does many of you.
I also have to think that like Cuomo, some legislators are introducing bills of this nature just for notoriety, instead of doing what they feel their constituents want.
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how do we know they won't just ram it through like NY did with their bill? We have a never ending sea of D next to almost every member in the state legislature. I don't see how you guys remain optimistic. It's been a giant turd slide since 1934 and everything is just going into a death spiral now it seems.
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how do we know they won't just ram it through like NY did with their bill?
Hopefully not the case here but In New York they rammed it through so fast, as you said, that people didn't even have time to react. I'm hoping in our case that this will become visible in the local media and possibly nationally soon and 2a folks can ban together and start opposing this in large numbers. People nationally seen what happened in New York, so maybe we can get some support nationally, possibly the NRA. Just wishful thinking, but several folks that are part of 2a know the right people to get the ball rolling.
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Ain't much in my wallet but this makes me want to empty it into whatever the most effective lobbying organization is going to be.
Save your money for ammo.
You'll need it.
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it's not gonna get rammed through as quickly as new york, but i am positive it will get rammed through
no one will care how onerous and unconstitutional it is
nor will they care that we already have amongst the most stringent gun laws (and this would make HI have THE most stringent gun laws in the US)
the leg and the governor will do anything to make o'bama look good
Hopefully not the case here but In New York they rammed it through so fast, as you said, that people didn't even have time to react. I'm hoping in our case that this will become visible in the local media and possibly nationally soon and 2a folks can ban together and start opposing this in large numbers. People nationally seen what happened in New York, so maybe we can get some support nationally, possibly the NRA. Just wishful thinking, but several folks that are part of 2a know the right people to get the ball rolling.
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I tried sending a message to Hawaii News Now and the Star Advertiser, asking them to report on this. It's crazy that this posting is all I've seen on this. They're keeping it quiet, until there's a headline saying that it passed.
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can't we write to the senator of our district to report our concerns? Does anyone know how to start a petition to stop this bill from being passed? For now couldn't we contact our representatives directly to oppose the hearing, therefore stalling the bill?
Has anyone ever started a petition before? There are a bunch of sites that write of petitions, but don't know which one to use. Would that even help in this case?
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I don't know if it'd help, it has already gone into "Introduced" status. It might just fly through.
Has anyone ever started a petition before? There are a bunch of sites that write of petitions, but don't know which one to use. Would that even help in this case?
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good thing we have our(2a people) event tomorrow, couldnt have been better timing. Especially if we have some media coverage on it. Let them know we are not pushovers and wont take this. The organizers did a good job on this, and maybe we could form a committee or group or something along those lines.
We also need to start spreading the word to everyone. Use social media, twitter, fliers, talk to everyone you know and let them know this is happening right now.
We also need to put pressure on all our representatives. State ones, district ones, all of them. I have been emailing for the last 2 weeks and have not gotten a reply yet. I think its time to call and flood their phone lines. Ill do some google-fu and see if i can find the information for all the representatives.
Finally we could also contact the media like someone previously mentioned. Not sure how much run around they will give, so maybe talk to gun friendly media resources, like that one lady HiCarry posted about that wanted to interview gun owners. See if she can spread the word in a good light and get us some media coverage.
Ive seen HiCarry thread about new laws being introduced and he is quite familiar with law in hawaii. Maybe he has pointers as well on what direction to take.
Hopefully our sherrifs and hpd is cool enough to stand down and not want to confiscate.
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We have to let them know that if they vote for this they will not be reelected. I don't know how many ak's and ar's were sold in the last 3 months but it was a lot, and they are all voters. If all of a sudden mom,dad or grampa is a felon and they have to turn in their expensive gun or it gets confiscated, who do you think they are going to vote for and they will make sure everyone in the family votes for someone else.
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I suggest starting an individual thread for each of the separate measures.
That way the information can be tracked for each one, on an individual basis.
Putting the measures altogether can potentially lead to data loss or having a measure fall through the cracks.
Thoughts?
Already been implemented here: http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?board=12.0 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?board=12.0)
Those threads will update whenever there is a change. Feel free to discuss in those individual threads as well.
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This is making me stress... :wacko:
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if and when this bill comes to a hearing, we need to all submit testimonials through the site.
And please, dont get crazy, and spell check yo shit.
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So, what do we do other than writing our legislators? I'm going to my lgs to see if they know of anything being organized on maui.
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I'm hoping gun friendly LEO will speak up against these bills. They would not be exempt with personal arms, would they? There's a couple on maui that are always at the open range days, one even owns a gun shop in town.
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I'm hoping gun friendly LEO will speak up against these bills. They would not be exempt with personal arms, would they? There's a couple on maui that are always at the open range days, one even owns a gun shop in town.
they might be. i dunno
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Bruddah 2asupport.... Sen. Ros Baker is from Maui and she is vice chair of the Public Safety, Intergovernmental and Military Affairs.
Most of the pro-gun control measures that have been introduced thus far have been (or will end up) moving through PSM.
Maybe can drum up support and setup a grassroots effort on Maui??
Best of luck!! :shaka:
I'd be the last person you'd want in charge of organizing grassroots effort... Lol. But I'm going now to inform my local lgs about these bills (if they don't already know) and see what they think we should do to oppose. I'm hoping their not like "uh, don't worry about it, that ull never pass".
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If it looks like it might pass, we might do better by finding ways to make it even more restrictive or try to get them to completely ban rifles.
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Wonder if the ACLU could provide some sort of assistance...
Not on the 2A front, but say for 1st amendment or FOIA requests I know they will (because they have supported me already).
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JUST AN UPDATE..... nobody gives a hoot except us on this forum. The closest gun shop to me said "the nra is taking care of it, they may be illegal tomorrow but they're not today". The other gun shop hadn't heard about it. I explained it and asked if there was any organization against it. "We're just going to keep selling until they send us a letter saying they're illegal". WE ON THIS FORUM ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CARE!! 50 or less gun owners up against the state legislature. Truly an eye opening experience for me.
I explained the no grandfathering of "assault weapons". No real urgency or care on his behalf at all.
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Sure. If our AR's a grabbed we'll all flock back to the stores to buy Mini 14's, bolt actions and lever guns.
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Sure. If our AR's a grabbed we'll all flock back to the stores to buy Mini 14's, bolt actions and lever guns.
It's almost like they wouldn't mind this scenario panning out.
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In their defense, gun shop owners have a difficult time being activists in Hawaii and this law was technically just introduced today.
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In their defense, gun shop owners have a difficult time being activists in Hawaii and this law was technically just introduced today.
So what can be done? 50 of us get together to march, the local media labels us as baby killing extreme right activists. We get laughed at by the general public? The bill's pass?
I'm not even extreme right. I don't own any weapons on this bill.
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There are at least 100 assault style weapons at the open days at ukumehame.
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Well, first thing is to relax a little. Took me a while to do last night when I first read this.
Second thing to do is read the legislation carefully without getting spun up about it.
Third, think about how to calmly, rationally explain why you think this legislation is not appropriate. You use this later when writing to congress.
Fourth, while you are thinking... tell everyone about the law being considered.
Fifth, stay tuned here. Those with the most experience dealing with legal issues haven't chimed in much yet as this is literally hot off the presses news.
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Well, first thing is to relax a little. Took me a while to do last night when I first read this.
Second thing to do is read the legislation carefully without getting spun up about it.
Third, think about how to calmly, rationally explain why you think this legislation is not appropriate. You use this later when writing to congress.
Fourth, while you are thinking... tell everyone about the law being considered.
Fifth, stay tuned here. Those with the most experience dealing with legal issues haven't chimed in much yet as this is literally hot off the presses news.
You're right I need to take a breather.
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I just got off the phone with Sen. Ihara's office, the secretary who answered the phone explained that this was not written by the Senator but submitted by request from one of his constituents. I explained my concerns with some of the wording (instant felon and lack of grandfathering) of certain sections as well as the bill it's self, she seemed pretty receptive and is expecting a ton of reaction from it. She went on to explain that the Senator's policy is that when a bill is requested and written by a constituent that he submits them no matter his position on the issue, that's what the "by request" stamped next to the signature means. She also said that she believes it won't get much attention and feels it won't go to far because "not a lot of thought went into the writing of it".
This does not mean we should stop the relentless emails calls and letters, it seems that we already have a foot in the door but we can't stop there. We need to kick that door down and be as vocal as we can. I hope this helps to calm your nerves a bit but please don't stop making your voices heard.
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I just got off the phone with Sen. Ihara's office, the secretary who answered the phone explained that this was not written by the Senator but submitted by request from one of his constituents. I explained my concerns with some of the wording (instant felon and lack of grandfathering) of certain sections as well as the bill it's self, she seemed pretty receptive and is expecting a ton of reaction from it. She went on to explain that the Senator's policy is that when a bill is requested and written by a constituent that he submits them no matter his position on the issue, that's what the "by request" stamped next to the signature means. She also said that she believes it won't get much attention and feels it won't go to far because "not a lot of thought went into the writing of it".
This does not mean we should stop the relentless emails calls and letters, it seems that we already have a foot in the door but we can't stop there. We need to kick that door down and be as vocal as we can. I hope this helps to calm your nerves a bit but please don't stop making your voices heard.
Interesting. I tend to take people at face value, but. . .
Anyways, then someone from his district should request an opposing bill and see how that goes if that's the case.
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I just got off the phone with Sen. Ihara's office, the secretary who answered the phone explained that this was not written by the Senator but submitted by request from one of his constituents. I explained my concerns with some of the wording (instant felon and lack of grandfathering) of certain sections as well as the bill it's self, she seemed pretty receptive and is expecting a ton of reaction from it. She went on to explain that the Senator's policy is that when a bill is requested and written by a constituent that he submits them no matter his position on the issue, that's what the "by request" stamped next to the signature means. She also said that she believes it won't get much attention and feels it won't go to far because "not a lot of thought went into the writing of it".
This does not mean we should stop the relentless emails calls and letters, it seems that we already have a foot in the door but we can't stop there. We need to kick that door down and be as vocal as we can. I hope this helps to calm your nerves a bit but please don't stop making your voices heard.
While I think it's admirable what the senator is doing to represent his district, sometimes there needs to be a filter. I know if I didn't have a filter between my brain and my mouth I would have been fired from my job a long time ago. Guess I'll be writing this weekend *sigh*, anyone got stamps? Will trade Pmag for stamps - J/K. :rofl:
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I just got off the phone with Sen. Ihara's office, the secretary who answered the phone explained that this was not written by the Senator but submitted by request from one of his constituents. I explained my concerns with some of the wording (instant felon and lack of grandfathering) of certain sections as well as the bill it's self, she seemed pretty receptive and is expecting a ton of reaction from it. She went on to explain that the Senator's policy is that when a bill is requested and written by a constituent that he submits them no matter his position on the issue, that's what the "by request" stamped next to the signature means. She also said that she believes it won't get much attention and feels it won't go to far because "not a lot of thought went into the writing of it".
This does not mean we should stop the relentless emails calls and letters, it seems that we already have a foot in the door but we can't stop there. We need to kick that door down and be as vocal as we can. I hope this helps to calm your nerves a bit but please don't stop making your voices heard.
thank you for doing this :shaka:
what can I do to help? I'm new to this and don't know what to do or say to anyone. I don't want to come off as a gun nut. I want to protect my constitutional rights
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I'm in his district. I should submit a bill to make aerial fireworks, full auto weapons, and home made swipe legal.
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Ahhh... I'm relaxing a little. Instead of being a sign of completely bastardizing what the legislature is for its actually a good sign that democracy still sort of works. Props to Sen. Ihara for that.
Not relaxing on the content of that bill, though. Thanks for the info, Lucas.
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I just got off the phone with Sen. Ihara's office, the secretary who answered the phone explained that this was not written by the Senator but submitted by request from one of his constituents. I explained my concerns with some of the wording (instant felon and lack of grandfathering) of certain sections as well as the bill it's self, she seemed pretty receptive and is expecting a ton of reaction from it. She went on to explain that the Senator's policy is that when a bill is requested and written by a constituent that he submits them no matter his position on the issue, that's what the "by request" stamped next to the signature means. She also said that she believes it won't get much attention and feels it won't go to far because "not a lot of thought went into the writing of it".
This does not mean we should stop the relentless emails calls and letters, it seems that we already have a foot in the door but we can't stop there. We need to kick that door down and be as vocal as we can. I hope this helps to calm your nerves a bit but please don't stop making your voices heard.
so does that mean we can just send him a bill saying to allow CCW? and he'll introduce it.
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I was wondering about the absence of a grandfather clause.
Even California's gun control laws included a grandfather clause, didn't it?
Wouldn't a lack of a grandfather clause create an ex post facto law that criminalizes legal gun owners?
sure it would. too bad new york already got away with that by banning pre ban magazines.
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Dirsh. I'm new to all of this as well and have been learning a lot while researching the last couple weeks. One thing I can say is grassroots activism seems to be the best bet and that's exactly what we have going on here and throughout the country. It's really refreshing if you ask me, a month ago I didn't than tone gave a damn about anything. It's seems though the grabbers may have awaken a sleeping beast or at least I'd like to say so.
The best thing you can like I said earlier is to keep on em. Keep the emails, calls, letters or whatever flowing. If we constantly hound them they'll have no choice but to listen and speak on our behalf.
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xer 21, there already is one. I was just reading it.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=274&year=2013 (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=274&year=2013)
Forum thread (which includes other current pro gun bills): http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=5974.0;topicseen (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=5974.0;topicseen)
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Nice, that ccw bill is written very well. Hopefully it passes.
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Looks like a lot of good gouge here!
Did manage to speak with a few State Senators as well as a few friends in the local media (had to "spin" things a certain way to get them interested), it looks like this bill is starting to draw attention. I also tried contacting Senator Ihara but he was no longer taking calls by that point. We (what senators I did get hold of) spoke about several issues regarding S.B. 219, in a nutshell the introduced bill will probably go to committee sometime after 24 Jan 13. Be prepared to submit testimony any time after that date!
Some additional suggestion the contacted Senators:
Keep the pressure on Sen. Ihara, yeah it’s not “his” bill but he did introduce it. Take a look at his Campaign contributors (big money contributors) as well; you may be able to figure out who he’s introducing the bill for ;)
Keep writing your Reps, Senators, Congressmen, etc. (I realize you all probably know that already).
Submit Testimony, well researched, logical testimony.
Watch the legislative calendar, be ready to speak up & stand up for what you believe in. Hearing announcements are often deliberately released late at night or before a weekend to keep the opposition from rallying.
And most of all the obvious, stay cool and try to keep emotions out of the equation (very hard for me to do), a cool head, sticking to the issues, and providing facts will often pay off. Stay positive & focused.
Again I’m probably stating the obvious but just knowing this bill has been noticed and IS NOT sneaking by really helped me through the day ;)
Ahui hou, See you all tomorrow! :shaka:
Boomah
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http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Les_Ihara,_Jr. (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Les_Ihara,_Jr.)
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I just got off the phone with Sen. Ihara's office, the secretary who answered the phone explained that this was not written by the Senator but submitted by request from one of his constituents. I explained my concerns with some of the wording (instant felon and lack of grandfathering) of certain sections as well as the bill it's self, she seemed pretty receptive and is expecting a ton of reaction from it. She went on to explain that the Senator's policy is that when a bill is requested and written by a constituent that he submits them no matter his position on the issue, that's what the "by request" stamped next to the signature means. She also said that she believes it won't get much attention and feels it won't go to far because "not a lot of thought went into the writing of it".
This does not mean we should stop the relentless emails calls and letters, it seems that we already have a foot in the door but we can't stop there. We need to kick that door down and be as vocal as we can. I hope this helps to calm your nerves a bit but please don't stop making your voices heard.
Maybe we should ask him to introduce something for us??
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Agreed. Someone write up what we want and have him submit.
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Agreed. Someone write up what we want and have him submit.
Maybe a right to carry law or something like that.
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Or like the other states who will not comply with unconstitutional fed law (cough)
Like N.C.
http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/01/first-in-the-nation-beaufort-county-nc-passes-gun-law-nullification-resolution/ (http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/01/first-in-the-nation-beaufort-county-nc-passes-gun-law-nullification-resolution/)
First in the Nation: Beaufort County, NC Passes Gun Law Nullification Resolution
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While a number of states are currently considering legislation to nullify federal gun laws, rules, acts, orders and regulations, and various sheriffs around the country are issuing notice that they will not enforce any such federal laws, a new grassroots undercurrent could be building to support those efforts. Local governments nullifying unconstitutional federal acts.
Today, Beaufort County, North Carolina became the first in the country to do so. The board of commissioners passed a nullification resolution in support of the 2nd Amendment. The vote was unanimous. The resolution reads, in part:
The Beaufort County Board of Commissioners calls upon the Governor and General Assembly of the State of North Carolina to immediately pass an act to nullify the implementation within the State of North Carolina of any Federal law, executive order or regulations restricting the right to keep and bear arms
It continues, and makes clear that the County will play no supporting role to the federal government in attacks on the 2nd Amendment:
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, the County Manager be directed to see that no county paid staff participate in nor allow any county resources be used in the implementation of any Federal law, executive order or executive directive that infringe on the right to keep and bear arms
Enthusiasm from the community was high. Representatives from the North Carolina Tenth Amendment Center reported that the “room was packed” to the point that the crowd was “overflowing out into the hall.” Two local tv stations were on hand to report as well.
All politics is local? Correction. All successful politics are local.
LEGISLATION AND TRACKING:
Get model legislation for introduction in your state or local community here:
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2ndamendmentpreservation (http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2ndamendmentpreservation)
Track the status of 2nd Amendment preservation legislation here:
http://tracking.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2ndamendment (http://tracking.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2ndamendment)
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Interesting. I tend to take people at face value, but. . .
Anyways, then someone from his district should request an opposing bill and see how that goes if that's the case.
This. Somebody from his district needs to find a copy of a fairly restrictive state's shall-issue concealed carry permit process and submit it.
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This. Somebody from his district needs to find a copy of a fairly restrictive state's shall-issue concealed carry permit process and submit it.
Since a Shall Issue bill is already in the pipeline, I was thinking something to do with Hawaii's registration policies. But there are probably better proposals to try than that.
TN, WY, TX and a few others have proposed legislation to stop or not enforce federal gun control policy in their state. Not sure how effective it would be though. Here's one article. I can dig up a few more if people are interested.
http://tennessee.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/01/hb-0042-filed-to-stop-federal-gun-control-in-tennessee/ (http://tennessee.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/01/hb-0042-filed-to-stop-federal-gun-control-in-tennessee/)
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Man can you imagine the possible impact it would have if Hawaii passed a wont comply law. Dream come true, it would make everyone think twice.
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Since a Shall Issue bill is already in the pipeline, I was thinking something to do with Hawaii's registration policies. But there are probably better proposals to try than that.
TN, WY, TX and a few others have proposed legislation to stop or not enforce federal gun control policy in their state. Not sure how effective it would be though. Here's one article. I can dig up a few more if people are interested.
http://tennessee.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/01/hb-0042-filed-to-stop-federal-gun-control-in-tennessee/ (http://tennessee.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/01/hb-0042-filed-to-stop-federal-gun-control-in-tennessee/)
Yeah, reading through the thread again I see that, not only is there already a bill in the works, but it was discussed on this very thread. Sometimes I just get too excited, and, well... you know. I swear, that's never happened to me before! :oops:
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I figured it would help to have some national attention. I sent a copy of the bill to Emily Miller. She responded and said she would do some investigating.
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I just got off the phone with Sen. Ihara's office, the secretary who answered the phone explained that this was not written by the Senator but submitted by request from one of his constituents......She went on to explain that the Senator's policy is that when a bill is requested and written by a constituent that he submits them no matter his position on the issue, that's what the "by request" stamped next to the signature means.
Maybe it's time to write a bill that goes the other way and have the Senator submit that by request... :geekdanc:
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the proposal passed first reading today.
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I'm writing to Senators Ihara and Slom. This bill is scary as hell. No one can rest easily thinking this bill won't go anywhere. Work now. Rest easily when it dies.
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I know that some here have posted some of TheHossUSMC's videos. if you do not know of him, you should look for them, he makes a lot of great videos. well, after this bill cme up, i messaged a bunch of youtube commentators about the ban, in the hopes that some would see it and raise awareness. so far, most havent responded, mostly because they're large channels and i imangine they dont have time to read all their PM's.
but Hoss saw this.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/TheHossUSMC/107385756065898?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/pages/TheHossUSMC/107385756065898?fref=ts)
hopefully he'll be putting a video out on it; he's followed by a lot of other prominent youtubers, so hopefully this will start getting some notice on the mainland should a more people start seeing this.
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also write your representative and senator and let them know
here is the link for the legislators contact information
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/members/legislators.aspx?chamber=S (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/members/legislators.aspx?chamber=S)
I basically said
I am writing you to let you know that I support the 2nd ammendment, the right to keep and bear arms. I am asking you to vote against any new bills that put more restrictions on firearms and the registration process. It already is very difficult here in Hawaii to purchase a firearm.
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I brought this bill to the attention of the NRA the other day while following up on my membership status as a lifetime member. The woman I spoke to said they would appreciate us keeping them abreast of the progress of this bill. Well for what it's worth anyway. They probably got tons of other stuff to contend with also. :shaka:
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All need to e-mail/call their applicable representatives and state senators. I already e-mailed mine. My DEMOCRAT rep. agrees that Hawaii already has among the strictest gun laws in the nation and that he would need to be persuaded to vote for this SB 219 AW Ban or any other gun control. People need to vote and voice their concerns to the politicians, some of them actually may listen.
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I brought this bill to the attention of the NRA the other day while following up on my membership status as a lifetime member. The woman I spoke to said they would appreciate us keeping them abreast of the progress of this bill. Well for what it's worth anyway. They probably got tons of other stuff to contend with also. :shaka:
Every little bit helps. I also try to spread the word to national gun rights orgs/activists. The more people aware the better.
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All need to e-mail/call their applicable representatives and state senators. I already e-mailed mine. My DEMOCRAT rep. agrees that Hawaii already has among the strictest gun laws in the nation and that he would need to be persuaded to vote for this SB 219 AW Ban or any other gun control. People need to vote and voice their concerns to the politicians, some of them actually may listen.
Welcome, bruddah shock808 :shaka: Thanks for fighting for the cause :thumbsup:
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All need to e-mail/call their applicable representatives and state senators. I already e-mailed mine. My DEMOCRAT rep. agrees that Hawaii already has among the strictest gun laws in the nation and that he would need to be persuaded to vote for this SB 219 AW Ban or any other gun control. People need to vote and voice their concerns to the politicians, some of them actually may listen.
I emailed each committee chair and vice chair this morning. Will email my district's rep and senator this evening.
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www.popvox.com/ (http://www.popvox.com/) and congress.org use these sights to contact our congressman and put a stop to these ridiculous bills
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those sights are an easy way to contact all our district representatives with one letter :shaka:
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Welcome, bruddah shock808 :shaka: Thanks for fighting for the cause :thumbsup:
Thanks for the warm welcome. Been a spectator for too long, came to the realization that I CAN and is my duty as a gun owner to DO his part.
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Got a response from my Representative. I wrote specifically about SB219 and any proposed bills relating to additional restrictions. Hopefully SB219 and other Senate bills won't reach the House of Reps. I also wrote to Senator Galuteria and all of the chairs and vice chairs of each committee that SB219 was referred/deferred to.
Dear Drck:
Thank you for contacting me regarding Senate Bill 219 - Relating to Firearms. If SB 219 comes up for a vote in the House of Representatives, I will take your concerns into consideration.
In the meantime, if you have any questions or additional concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Sincerely,
Rep. Scott K. Saiki
State Representative
District 26 (McCully-Kaheka-Kakaako-Downtown)
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Lol k my rifles are not on this "so called list " is it safe ? HAHAHAHA all this college education I'm sorry my trade school education is starring to shine . I'm with you all it is a wake up call , but this is funny :rofl: . Let's stop them now before the get smart
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Heard back from Rep Bert Kobayashi. Here's his take:
--snip--
Thanks for your email about SB219, which I have just glanced at; a multi-page bill, not easy digested quickly.
I'm not on Judiciary committee which will approve or not approve this bill, so likely will not see this bill until it comes to the floor, meaning the full House. By that time, the votes are relatively clearly set; i.e., most committee chairs will not bring a bill to the floor without votes to pass. The House Judiciary chair did take an informal poll on a gun control bill several weeks ago but I do not know the results of the poll.
Likely, there will be some sort of gun control bill passed, given public input and sentiment to date.
There is likely to be a grandfather clause in the bill, perhaps in addition to section 3 of the bill, which it talks about "mature" rights....but this was from my quick look.
/bert kobayashi
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I beg your pardon, my good sir; I could not help but notice that your trade school education is making itself painfully self-evident by way of your usage of grammar; your usage of punctuation, or lack, thereof; and your incoherent, mindless prattle.
Nah, nah, nah, just kidding, bruddah 338KID!! ;D I just jealous of your 100K union job!! :shaka:
........ you guys hiring or wat?!?
Lol we just had I think 150 new apprentice's . That grammar you speak of came from my molokai education
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KHON2 News: Biden: Limit on magazine rounds a bigger priority
WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Joe Biden says he's more concerned about limiting the number of rounds in a gun magazine than about banning assault weapons that account for a small percentage of gun deaths.
The vice president participated in an online chat Thursday on Google Plus.
He says that if the shooter at the elementary school in Newtown, Conn., had had fewer rounds and had to change clips more often, he might have been slowed enough to save at least one child's life.
Biden says he supports a ban on assault weapons, though he acknowledges they don't account for a large portion of gun deaths in America. He says a ban would solve part of the gun violence problem, particularly for police who can be outgunned by criminals with assault weapons.
http://www.khon2.com/news/national/story/Biden-Limit-on-magazine-rounds-a-bigger-priority/8vIuk5qQT0W6BOzp23ktRQ.cspx?rss=2703 (http://www.khon2.com/news/national/story/Biden-Limit-on-magazine-rounds-a-bigger-priority/8vIuk5qQT0W6BOzp23ktRQ.cspx?rss=2703)
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http://www.fox19.com/story/20399062/the-very-politically-incorrect-truth-about-the-second-amendment?fb_action_ids=10151461802050039&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582 (http://www.fox19.com/story/20399062/the-very-politically-incorrect-truth-about-the-second-amendment?fb_action_ids=10151461802050039&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582)
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http://www.fox19.com/story/20399062/the-very-politically-incorrect-truth-about-the-second-amendment?fb_action_ids=10151461802050039&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582 (http://www.fox19.com/story/20399062/the-very-politically-incorrect-truth-about-the-second-amendment?fb_action_ids=10151461802050039&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582)
great video, someone with a brain finally explains the 2nd amendment. Its too bad we don't have people in congress that actually know the constitution.
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We are gassing up - standby.
http://www.hawaiidefensefoundation.org/on-featured/hawaii-moves-ban-assault-weapons/ (http://www.hawaiidefensefoundation.org/on-featured/hawaii-moves-ban-assault-weapons/)
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Heard back from Rep Bert Kobayashi. Here's his take:
--snip--
Thanks for your email about SB219, which I have just glanced at; a multi-page bill, not easy digested quickly.
I'm not on Judiciary committee which will approve or not approve this bill, so likely will not see this bill until it comes to the floor, meaning the full House. By that time, the votes are relatively clearly set; i.e., most committee chairs will not bring a bill to the floor without votes to pass. The House Judiciary chair did take an informal poll on a gun control bill several weeks ago but I do not know the results of the poll.
Likely, there will be some sort of gun control bill passed, given public input and sentiment to date.
There is likely to be a grandfather clause in the bill, perhaps in addition to section 3 of the bill, which it talks about "mature" rights....but this was from my quick look.
/bert kobayashi
Hahahaahaha. Love his response. Yeah it might get passed, but hey at least you gun nuts will have a grandfather clause and be able to keep your guns, so dont worry about it.
Like how i posted in the other thread, everyone talks about a grandfathering clause like its the savior or something. We still get a ban. Sooner or later they(anti-guys) will realize thats a way to divide the people. Ban stuff, but make sure theres a grandfather clause and the gun guys will be happy and dont put a end date on the ban. We still lose. We shouldnt have to settle for a grandfathering clause, or have them thinking thats a good compromise, cause although its the lesser of the two evils its still evil. IMHO, people should stop thinking and talking about a grandfathering clause. It should be all or nothing, but i dont think we have enough support. Nevermind, In that case make sure theres a grandfathering clause!!
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Hahahaahaha. Love his response. Yeah it might get passed, but hey at least you gun nuts will have a grandfather clause and be able to keep your guns, so dont worry about it.
Like how i posted in the other thread, everyone talks about a grandfathering clause like its the savior or something. We still get a ban. Sooner or later they(anti-guys) will realize thats a way to divide the people. Ban stuff, but make sure theres a grandfather clause and the gun guys will be happy and dont put a end date on the ban. We still lose. We shouldnt have to settle for a grandfathering clause, or have them thinking thats a good compromise, cause although its the lesser of the two evils its still evil. IMHO, people should stop thinking and talking about a grandfathering clause. It should be all or nothing, but i dont think we have enough support. Nevermind, In that case make sure theres a grandfathering clause!!
I agree with everything you said. I'm with you. Go big or go home.
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this helps our cause, but we need to keep up the pressure.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/24/why-filibuster-reform-didnt-happen/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/24/why-filibuster-reform-didnt-happen/)
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell: 202-224-2541
And after you have called Mitch McConnell, please call both of your U.S. Senators and demand they vote against Harry Reid's attempt to destroy the Senate filibuster.
Sen. Mazie Hirono: (202) 225-4906
Sen. Brian Schatz: (202) 224-3121
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this proves even the President has to follow the law
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama-Recess-Appointments/2013/01/25/id/472980/?s=al&promo_code=1231C-1 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama-Recess-Appointments/2013/01/25/id/472980/?s=al&promo_code=1231C-1)
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this proves even the President has to follow the law
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama-Recess-Appointments/2013/01/25/id/472980/?s=al&promo_code=1231C-1 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama-Recess-Appointments/2013/01/25/id/472980/?s=al&promo_code=1231C-1)
I think what it proves is Obama does what he wants and has no problem with letting the courts decide the outcome, even if/when he knows it may be unconstitutional. To me, that is scary and that is his MO. Personally, I'm not convinced this means he has to follow the laws.
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I think what it proves is Obama does what he wants and has no problem with letting the courts decide the outcome, even if/when he knows it may be unconstitutional. To me, that is scary and that is his MO. Personally, I'm not convinced this means he has to follow the laws.
you're right, I should of said he's not above the law. what he says is not law just because he says so. I agree with you. He does whatever he wants and lets other sort out the mess.
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I think what it proves is Obama does what he wants and has no problem with letting the courts decide the outcome, even if/when he knows it may be unconstitutional. To me, that is scary and that is his MO. Personally, I'm not convinced this means he has to follow the laws.
You're right, Bunker. This simply underscores the point that Obamao will do whatever the hell he wants, and if he gets shut down by the courts, he'll find another way. He knew damn well those recess appointments were illegal, but he went ahead and did it anyway. You never know, maybe he'll get lucky again and the Supreme Court will rule that the purpose of the courts is not to protect Americans from the consequences of their elections. (Except that's exactly what they're supposed to do.) I remember when America was awesome, this slow circling the drain stuff sucks.
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All need to e-mail/call their applicable representatives and state senators. I already e-mailed mine. My DEMOCRAT rep. agrees that Hawaii already has among the strictest gun laws in the nation and that he would need to be persuaded to vote for this SB 219 AW Ban or any other gun control. People need to vote and voice their concerns to the politicians, some of them actually may listen.
For those who wanted to see the exact message:
"Thank you for your message conveying your opposition to SB 219, which proposes banning assault-style weapons. My feeling is that Hawaii's firearms laws are already among the most restrictive in the nation and I would have to be persuaded of the need to impose any more restrictions on gun owners.
Mahalo for sharing your thoughts and please don't hesitate to do so in the future. Would you like to be added to my email list to receive community updates and legislative news?
- Gregg
Representative Gregg Takayama
State Capitol Room 324
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813"
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SECTION 3. This Act does not affect rights and duties that
matured, penalties that were incurred, and proceedings that were
begun before its effective date.
Seems like THIS is a grandfather clause.
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SECTION 3. This Act does not affect rights and duties that
matured, penalties that were incurred, and proceedings that were
begun before its effective date.
Seems like THIS is a grandfather clause.
Does having a grandfather clause make you feel better about a possible ban?
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Does having a grandfather clause make you feel better about a possible ban?
No. It's all or nothing. We need to stand together on this. A million muskateers
All for one and one for all
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That is not a grandfather clause. To the best of my understanding it means that the new law doesn't nullify contracts, litigation, etc. that began before the law was passed. I've seen the exact same language in a number of other recent bills. Must be from a template.
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http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr226 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr226)
new bill that give tax credits for turning in firearms
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That is not a grandfather clause. To the best of my understanding it means that the new law doesn't nullify contracts, litigation, etc. that began before the law was passed. I've seen the exact same language in a number of other recent bills. Must be from a template.
someone here mentioned it was jsut a hasty cut and paste job from other suggested bills.
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My submitted letter to the committee:
Aloha,
I would like to register my opposition to this bill. Even though it has not come up for a formal hearing yet, it should even be heard. Should this bill pass it will instantly criminalize hundreds, perhaps even thousands of law abiding citizens in the state.
Those of us gun owners who enjoy shooting modern firearms every weekend with our friends and families would instantly become felons. We are the kinds of people that you run into crossing Punchbowl street, who pay their fair share of taxes, vote, and serve their community. We watch out for our kupuna - help them with their grocery shopping and errands and honk our horn to let the other guy know it's ok to merge into our lane...does this sound like the behavior of a felon? Does this sound like the kind of person who belongs in jail with thieves, robbers, and rapists? This is what will happen if this bill passes.
If the committee wants to do good for the community, there are other ways. Fight for funding for our police officers - why should the HPD have to rely on donations to get a bullet resistant vests for their K-9's? I'm positive we could find $10,000 somewhere in the budget to pay for those. I also urge the committee to work closely with the Attorney General to strengthen our existing laws wherever possible. Consider restoring funding to mental health service programs that have been cut or reduced. No family that struggles with mental illness should have to "go it alone".
I urge you not to forward this bill to the senate, but instead offer three bills that would, 1) increase funding to HPD for needed equipment - an Urgent Needs Request (UNR), 2) strengthen existing laws that are already in place, 3) restore funding to mental health programs across the state.
I hope that you will take some of what I said to heart and find it within yourselves to not forward this bill.
Mahalo for your time,
********* (Bota CS-1)
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Any word on SB 219 ?
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Try go check the capital website, search that particular bill. It will tell you its status and whatnot. I haven't gotten any notices or seen any updates posted. I usually check every week. What I'm worried about is they might wait till the last moment and do back door deals without public notice or hearings and pass it. No committee, no hearing, just a midnight meeting no one knows about, and bam, Hawaii will be like new york
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I asked my mom since she works there, and she said the bill is dead for this year. The crossover deadline was today and the bill didn't even make it out of committee. But she did say it can always be introduced again next session but we did win this battle at least for now. Good job guys! :shaka:
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Be aware, its possible they can still back door it. There's a term for it, I can't remember right now, but if the head of the house and head of senate can come to terms they can agree to pass a bill.
This was how Washington passed the veterans bill. I have to look if its possible at the state level as well as the federal level.
Try ask your mom if their is any backdoor methods that no one talks about. No offense. Just don't want anyone to drop their guard.
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Be aware, its possible they can still back door it. There's a term for it, I can't remember right now...
Cornholing?
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Cornholing?
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I'm kinda new to this, but I'm hoping my "translation" of the process is close to accurate/correct.
SB 219 made it through one reading on 18th Jan 2013. It was referred to committee 22 Jan, and subsequently re-referred to committee on 28 Jan. Ways and Means committee was included in the second referral.
There is no hearing scheduled as of today at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=219 (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=219) and I don't think you can provide testimony through the state gov website interface via there "submit testimony" function w/o a scheduled hearing. You can still write letters to the committee chairs, and I believe you can send in written testimony even if there isn't a meeting scheduled. Maybe they keep it and place w/ other testimony if a meeting is scheduled later.
Buy like your original question, I don't know if this "bill" is effectively dead, or if it's likely to have a hearing scheduled and continue on the process. Do we still have to "worry" about SB219?
Someone below supplied this PDF http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/docs/citizensguide/HowaBillBecomesLaw.pdf (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/docs/citizensguide/HowaBillBecomesLaw.pdf) which is an easy graphic to follow. Thanks
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I asked my mom since she works there, and she said the bill is dead for this year. The crossover deadline was today and the bill didn't even make it out of committee. But she did say it can always be introduced again next session but we did win this battle at least for now. Good job guys! :shaka:
great news.
also means the carry gills died though, right? :-\
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The only bill remaining is SB 69.
The other bills, including the AWB and concealed/open carry are essentially dead for the year. There is a remote possibility that some could be "resurrected" but that is unlikely. The session is two years so they can be readily reintroduced.
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so, what, best case scenario would be, let everything die in committee, including CCW (so we dont have politically bargaining where "we'll let you have CCW for an AWB) if they get introduced next session, and then hope our CCW case breaks through in the courts?
hell, then we'd only have to challenge the pistol mag limit and NFA items!
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Try ask your mom if their is any backdoor methods that no one talks about. No offense. Just don't want anyone to drop their guard.
Sometimes when it 's a real important issue, they add the contents to another bill that has a title broad enough to cover the issue. For example, the stuff from relating to firearms could be put into something like relating to public safety. They call it a Christmas tree bill because they're adding "ornaments" from other bills. They probably won't do that because the bill didn't even have one hearing and the issue never got discussed in a public hearing. It's too controversial for them to backdoor it like that because they know that there's a lot of public interest. Also the Hawaii constitution requires 3 readings in each house and the bill only had one reading in the senate and it never crossed over to the house in time.
Hope that helps! :shaka: