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Title: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: AchieveUltra on July 13, 2024, 01:29:55 PM
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/07/13/donald-trump-whisked-off-stage-pennsylvania-after-loud-noises-rang-through-crowd/

This is for the history books.


[ BUTLER, Pa. (AP) — Donald Trump’s campaign said in a statement that he was “fine” after being whisked off the stage at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania after apparent gunshots rang through the crowd.

“President Trump thanks law enforcement and first responders for their quick action during this heinous act,” spokesman Steven Cheung said in a statement. “He is fine and is being checked out at a local medical facility. More details will follow.”

The former president and presumptive Republican nominee was showing off a chart of border crossing numbers during his last rally before the Republican National Convention opens Monday when bangs started ringing through the crowd. Trump could be seen reaching with his right hand toward his neck. There appeared to be blood on his face.

He quickly ducked behind the riser as agents from his protective detail rushed the stage and screams were heard in the crowd of several thousand people. The bangs continued as agents tended to him on stage. ]
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: ren on July 13, 2024, 01:49:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xb9w1ok.jpeg)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: zippz on July 13, 2024, 01:59:40 PM
https://i.imgur.com/xb9w1ok.jpeg

Looks like the winds of God made the bullet miss Trump's head.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 13, 2024, 02:30:41 PM
When asked for a comment, Resident Biden responded, "What do you mean they missed?"
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 13, 2024, 03:05:44 PM
As much as I dislike biden, I am simply amazed at how people react to Trump's attempted assassination.

Because I wouldn't want this for biden or for anybody.  Simply unacceptable.

Yet the first response out of a person's mouth is not "I'm glad he is ok."

But "I hope Trump loses".

SMH. :crazy:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: eyeeatingfish on July 13, 2024, 03:10:13 PM
Looks like the winds of God made the bullet miss Trump's head.

Unless it was all part of the plan....
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: ren on July 13, 2024, 03:57:29 PM
Unless it was all part of the plan....

FYI I wasn't being serious, just threw that out there because people here love far fetched conspiracy theories. It would be one thing to stage a pretend assassination to increase support but it would be beyond plausible that Trump would actually take a real bullet to the ear.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 13, 2024, 05:10:41 PM
I’m going to say it. The democrat party is a terrorist organization at this point.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 13, 2024, 05:24:30 PM
Interesting reading for countless days to come.  There is not enough popcorn in the world to go around. :popcorn:

Might have to delve into potato chips and edamame as substitutes. :rofl:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: zippz on July 13, 2024, 05:43:04 PM
Google 4chan and ......, the suspected shooter by the 4chan detectives.  Gory pic

Nevermind, news came out with the official ID of Thomas Matthew Crooks
. 
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: ren on July 13, 2024, 05:50:53 PM
last week Biden said this:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/politics/democrats-donors-biden-election/index.html
“We’re done talking about the debate. It’s time to put Trump in the bull’s-eye,” he said. “We can’t go another day, another day, without explaining what he’s doing, and we have to go after him.”
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 13, 2024, 08:03:03 PM
What ever “investigation” they do, that better be really really believable.  This country is at a tipping point.  Half doesn’t believe a word Washington says, believes the courts are untrustworthy, the media is FOS, and the election system is rigged.  The other half is brainwashed Marxists.   JMHO
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 13, 2024, 08:08:28 PM
Country needs a Knight in Shining Armor.

Not sure it's Trump but its sure hell ain't biden. :rofl:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on July 13, 2024, 09:31:45 PM
Secret Service decided not to respond to reports of a gunman on the roof.

Lucy you got some splainin' to do!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8ssCidcOJ0
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on July 14, 2024, 04:45:20 AM
More questions. Maybe DEI is not something you want to promote for life and death jobs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGNRkumDjm0
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on July 14, 2024, 07:14:04 AM
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Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: astroboy on July 14, 2024, 08:29:27 AM
He was raised by democrats.


https://youtu.be/NvqqB5Mahgc
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 14, 2024, 09:06:16 AM
As a Hawaiian national looking from the outside, I look at the Trump shooting as a last warning to both Trump and Kennedy to either accept a staged Presidential election defeat, do the bidding of the Power Okole should either overcome the widespread cheating and win the 2024 Presidential election, or be assassinated for failure to do so that of course will be blamed on Russia and/or China. 

While most are focusing on the "officially recognized" deceased patsy who did his role and now taking the blame, I truly believe the real shooter did exactly as ordered: fire off a few rounds of credible misses but deliver the actual warning shot that grazed Trump.  Unfortunately, like with the Kennedy assassinations in the 1960's, no one will be able to debunk the current evolving Trump assassination attempt narrative until after the current adult population and everyone involved are long dead.

In any case, the Power Okole has endless pasties and real assassins on-call to take both Trump and Kennedy out.  Trump is still alive only because the Power Okole allowed him to live...
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: ren on July 14, 2024, 09:42:46 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-look-strip-secret-service-protection-trump-convicted

House Democrats have introduced a bill that would strip Secret Service protection from convicted felons sentenced to prison, a move directly targeting former President Trump who is currently on criminal trial in New York City for alleged hush money payments made during the 2016 election campaign and faces several other cases which could land him behind bars.

Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., the former chair of the now disbanded Jan. 6 congressional committee, introduced legislation that would automatically nix Secret Service protection for those who have been convicted of a federal or state felony that carries a minimum one-year prison term.

The proposed bill is provocatively called the "Denying Infinite Security and Government Resources Allocated toward Convicted and Extremely Dishonorable (DISGRACED) Former Protectees Act.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 14, 2024, 09:45:26 AM
last week Biden said this:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/politics/democrats-donors-biden-election/index.html
“We’re done talking about the debate. It’s time to put Trump in the bull’s-eye,” he said. “We can’t go another day, another day, without explaining what he’s doing, and we have to go after him.”

The Biden campaign has pulled all political advertising
--ABC Newa

That's convenient since the DNC just lost $90M in donations pledged to their campaign war chest following Biden's horrible debate performance and decrepit appearance.

This rally was in Pennsylvania.

Isn't Joe from there?

I'm sure these are just more coincidences.


https://youtu.be/J8sqb7xU1P4
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 14, 2024, 09:56:36 AM
you actually think that someone was able to intentionally graze his ear from 150+ yards away?
got it...

As a Hawaiian national looking from the outside, I look at the Trump shooting as a last warning to both Trump and Kennedy to either accept a staged Presidential election defeat, do the bidding of the Power Okole should either overcome the widespread cheating and win the 2024 Presidential election, or be assassinated for failure to do so that of course will be blamed on Russia and/or China. 

While most are focusing on the "officially recognized" deceased patsy who did his role and now taking the blame, I truly believe the real shooter did exactly as ordered: fire off a few rounds of credible misses but deliver the actual warning shot that grazed Trump.  Unfortunately, like with the Kennedy assassinations in the 1960's, no one will be able to debunk the current evolving Trump assassination attempt narrative until after the current adult population and everyone involved are long dead.

In any case, the Power Okole has endless pasties and real assassins on-call to take both Trump and Kennedy out.  Trump is still alive only because the Power Okole allowed him to live...
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 14, 2024, 10:11:04 AM
As a Hawaiian national looking from the outside, I look at the Trump shooting as a last warning to both Trump and Kennedy to either accept a staged Presidential election defeat, do the bidding of the Power Okole should either overcome the widespread cheating and win the 2024 Presidential election, or be assassinated for failure to do so that of course will be blamed on Russia and/or China. 

While most are focusing on the "officially recognized" deceased patsy who did his role and now taking the blame, I truly believe the real shooter did exactly as ordered: fire off a few rounds of credible misses but deliver the actual warning shot that grazed Trump.  Unfortunately, like with the Kennedy assassinations in the 1960's, no one will be able to debunk the current evolving Trump assassination attempt narrative until after the current adult population and everyone involved are long dead.

In any case, the Power Okole has endless pasties and real assassins on-call to take both Trump and Kennedy out.  Trump is still alive only because the Power Okole allowed him to live...

It'a a little early to be drinking so heavily, don't you think?

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 14, 2024, 10:21:34 AM
you actually think that someone was able to intentionally graze his ear from 150+ yards away?
You actually think that deceased young patsy was able to get on a roof undetected and have enough firearms training to even graze Trump at 150+ yards away?
Got it...
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 14, 2024, 10:23:07 AM
It'a a little early to be drinking so heavily, don't you think?
I don't drink but understand the treachery of the Power Okole and their handywork all too well.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 14, 2024, 10:25:56 AM
You actually think that deceased young patsy was able to get on a roof undetected and have the firearms training enough to even graze Trump at 150+ yards away?
Got it...

Apparently what actually happened based on observable events
and what you seem to believe happened
are not in the same realm of possibility.

I'll choose Occam's Razor for $1000, Alex.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 14, 2024, 10:29:07 AM
I don't drink but understand the treachery of the Power Okole and their handywork all too well.

We understand you don't live in the really real world, so i was being polite -- attributing your nonsense to an alcoholic halucination.

Now you've just confirmed you're hallucinating all on your own.  That's much worse.

Please seek professional help before you've completely checked out.

 :crazy:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: zippz on July 14, 2024, 10:30:33 AM
There's a problem with the aiming for the ear theory.  Sure if you pull it off Trump will get more votes.  However there's a fairly significant downside in that you can kill the person you're depending on.  Not to mention killing innocents in the background along with yourself.

In the conditions he was in, he probably had an accuracy of four inches at best.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 14, 2024, 10:32:59 AM
please show me where i said anything like that...

You actually think that deceased young patsy was able to get on a roof undetected and have enough firearms training to even graze Trump at 150+ yards away?
Got it...
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 14, 2024, 10:38:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gRZLBWkNY2M
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 14, 2024, 10:43:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gRZLBWkNY2M

She's right.

And she looks absolutely gorgeous as she's saying it.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 14, 2024, 10:44:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UwWxJQN_sY
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 14, 2024, 11:27:16 AM
The very first question to ask is what was the sniper team that took out the shooter watching such that the shooter was able to get on that roof with a rifle in hand?  Was there an accomplice creating a diversion that made them take their eyes off the shooter's location?

He may or may not have gotten on the roof easily.  Need to wait to find out how he was able to get up there without adequate resistance from security people or measures.  Did he pick a lock?  Scale a wall?  Was he already up there hiding when the rally started?  Does a family member with keys to the building work there?

If I were Trump, i'd make the report public ASAP, just to show he's either well protected, or his protection detail needs better training/people.

A cynical man would say this is what happens when a deep state run White House is in charge of the people providing security for the man they helped lose an election once already.


https://youtu.be/7bbZ4hFpXVU
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 14, 2024, 11:45:18 AM
https://youtu.be/4MFOyNup0-U
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: zippz on July 14, 2024, 11:46:42 AM
The very first question to ask is what was the sniper team that took out the shooter watching such that the shooter was able to get on that roof with a rifle in hand? 

From what I've read, the snipers are primarily responsible for threats farther out with their 36x scopes.  They have a very large area to observe.  It would've also been difficult for the snipers to see the guy approach from behind the buildings.  It would've been local law enforcements responsibility to patrol the area.

Although the shooter was unfortunately able to get some shots off, the snipers did end the threat and their presence likely caused him to miss.

News says a police officer confronted the shooter on the roof before the shots were fired, but jumped off when shooter turned his rifle towards the officer. Seems like a breakdown in communication from that.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 14, 2024, 12:35:15 PM


News says a police officer confronted the shooter on the roof before the shots were fired, but jumped off when shooter turned his rifle towards the officer. Seems like a breakdown in communication from that.

In my opinion that police officer might just have saved President Trump's life.  The distraction caused the shooter to lose focus.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 14, 2024, 12:39:50 PM
nope, shot grazed trump on purpose...

In my opinion that police officer might just have saved President Trump's life.  The distraction caused the shooter to lose focus.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on July 14, 2024, 12:55:05 PM
Alex Jones is now saying that there will be an assassination attempt on Biden next, and they will try to make it look like it was MAGA.

The "staged" theory is being circulated to distract from the very real possibility that some of Trump's Secret Service detail were accomplices to the failed hit job.

If Trump makes it to the presidency then hundreds of deep state criminals are going to be looking at very long prison sentences if not outright execution for treason, therefore it's in their best interest to sew chaos so that the election doesn't happen.

This is not a time to celebrate
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 15, 2024, 08:04:32 AM
This was an inside job, They've tried for years to "get him" starting with libel and slander. That failed, so they tried racism. That failed. They escalated it to the corrupt judicial system. Going after his "friends"/allies first. They still had nothing. So then they went after him in the judicial system. They still had nothing, so they had to change the law, find a corrupt DA and judge in a corrupt state. He still was beating them and the outcome they wanted wasn't a "slam dunk". So what happened is the only logical next evolution.

Points below:

1) The SS use layers of protection. Each team is responsible for their sectors.  As you saw with the SS sniper on the roof, due to the scope he has, he's for 400m+ engagements. Which is why you see him have to raise his head to located a 150m threat and then reposition his rifle.

2) Multiple people called out guy on roof with rifle and nothing was done to address it in an urgent matter.  They let him get into position. There's rumors that a stand down order was given. Even if this is true, it's the duty of the counter sniper to disobey and engage. I mean, it's not like a random guy is walking around. A guy with a rifle is getting into a shooting position.

3) There are a lot of female SS for a former president and the top candidate.  DEI hires, since the head of the SS did state that she wants more women in the SS. Nevermind we want just good people, but it has to also be women.  You see 1 fail to holster her weapon multiple times. She then gave up. And they were also in panic mode when around his SUV. This is not SOP for the SS. They are supposed to take control of the situation and remain calm.  . A female SS agent who is a whole head shorter than the P. I mean, I'm sure there's supposed to be some height requirment depending on who the P is. You see her try to cover him and his entire head is exposed in her sector.  She then bends down to pick up his hat and exposing his entire body. I've seen older films of Carter and Reagan and they were much more professional.

4) Once Trump was covered by the SS when he hit the floor, the media boosted the mic. You hear trump ask for his shoes. I heard no SS voices. "Sir, we will get your shoes later". this is important because someone who was just shot may not be thinking clearly.  Once he can walk, they allowed him to remain on stage for way to long. A 223 will penetrate at least 1 agent and hit the P. Any higher caliber round would def penetrate multiple agents and hit the P. Trump wanted to stay on stage, but as the detail, you need to push his ass off stage to safety. Regardless if the radio said the shooter is down. What if there's more than 1, or that was an error. Once he's standing, he should have been off that stage in 2 seconds.  The reaction time was also a little slow once the first shot broke. Within 1-2 seconds, agents should have been on stage.

5) Back to the SUV, it should have left immediately. There should have been a clear exit path.

6) Why was the only structures that close left unsecure?  Local PD could have been patrolling it if SS resourses are too low.

7) This was the 2nd time Trump asked for more security but was denied. The 1st time was on J6 and Pelosi denied it.

Seems like the only guy who did his job was the sniper with the big ass scope. He broke off his sector as no one was watching the 150m roof top. Re-position his rifle and take the shot.

I had this discussion with EEF a few days ago, and it seems like his detail was the JV squad.  I think this was intentional as to give the shooter time and the best odds of success.  The various government agencies have been weaponized against Trump for years. The SS is no different.  But in the end, no one will be held accountable and face any sort of punishment.

I"m not a religious person, but I do think a higher power had his back.  1/2 a second later and he would have not just been hit on the ear.  That head turn made all the difference. 

The sad part is that they will try again, but on a more covert way.  We are becoming more and more of a communist country as political opponents are being targeted by the government agencies.  The illusion that we have rights is present and the government can swoop in and take them away at any moment. "I'll fight them in court and win", but at what cost. The process is the punishment.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 15, 2024, 09:44:59 AM
New intel:

There wasn't that many SS agents on site. The others you see are Treasury Agents. Which would explain a lot.  The most hated man in the US by the left has minimal SS agents.

They also were tracking the shooter from 300 yards out, but lost him when he went into a building. 
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 15, 2024, 10:45:08 AM
I think it is becoming more and more apparent that SECRET SERVICE means something entirely different now.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on July 15, 2024, 11:41:52 AM
I think it is becoming more and more apparent that SECRET SERVICE means something entirely different now.

Someone though they were signing up for Snack Service

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/861/816/9f5.png)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 15, 2024, 11:50:53 AM
If you look closely you will see why she had a hard time holstering her gun.  She needs to do more than 10 abdominal crunches every other day in my opinion......
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: ren on July 15, 2024, 11:53:08 AM
They are wearing body armor in addition to their suits and ties so it will slow them down a bit. John Wick was a fictional character.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on July 15, 2024, 12:08:24 PM
They are wearing body armor in addition to their suits and ties so it will slow them down a bit. John Wick was a fictional character.

She's got a lot of "body armor" on those thighs. Don't see the secret service guys looking like that too often.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 15, 2024, 12:11:25 PM
She's got a lot of "body armor" on those thighs. Don't see the secret service guys looking like that too often.

I see a fold of flesh blocking the opening of her holster.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: stangzilla on July 15, 2024, 12:31:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bLJPUMX46o
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 15, 2024, 12:33:08 PM
She's got a lot of "body armor" on those thighs. Don't see the secret service guys looking like that too often.

I hope she's 1 of the Treasury agents and not a real SS agent.  I've never seen a fat SS female agent.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 15, 2024, 01:46:46 PM
Lots of good sourcing and commentary.  Worth listening to, if you can't watch almost 2-1/2 hours.


https://youtu.be/bLCzsLPTVUg
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: ren on July 15, 2024, 05:18:22 PM
Someone though they were signing up for Snack Service

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/861/816/9f5.png)

On second thought I wonder if the Secret Service firearms instructor was on the madafakin list!?
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 15, 2024, 05:25:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bLJPUMX46o

I think this was a pretty good analysis.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: stangzilla on July 15, 2024, 05:28:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEkJqRe0eRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvnRJo5iytw
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 15, 2024, 11:20:51 PM
This is interesting, and it's very telling.

MSNBC pulled their Morning Joe segment off the air Monday morning in the wake of the Trump assassination attempt.

The formal reason given to a CNN reporter is the network was afraid a guest on the show might make an offensive comment (use your imagination), which could leave the show and the network open to "attack."

Apparently they did similar after the Hamas attack on Israel.  They pulled 3 Muslim broadcasters from the air after complaints came in criticizing the tone of MSNBC's coverage.

In other words, they couldn't risk two hosts with massive TDS being on the air celebrating and excusing the assassination attempt on their arch villain.


https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/media/msnbc-morning-joe-pulled-trump-assassination/index.html
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 16, 2024, 05:10:16 AM
Noticed that Joe didn’t order flags at half staff to honor the man killed in the attempted assassination.  He musta forgot.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: oldfart on July 16, 2024, 08:36:35 AM
Noticed that Joe didn’t order flags at half staff to honor the man killed in the attempted assassination.  He musta forgot.
...
Haha good one.
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Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 16, 2024, 08:55:35 AM
Initial reports from the fake news headlines were "Trump falls off stage" type of reports. And yet, people still trust the fake news.  1 international news station called them out on their BS.

The head of the SS, last job was at Pepsi. IDK what she did there, but I would think the head of the SS was at some point in the SS and worked their way thru the ranks.  Or has some kind of asset protection XP with decades of XP.  I mean, maybe she did asset protection for the president of Pepsi. I never looked into it.

She also claims that no one was on the roof because the roof is too sloped and it's unsafe.  I've seen SS on scissors lifts so they can get the elevated positioning that they need.  She also blames local PD as they were responsible for that area.  This is a BS excuse, the SS does use local PD all the time for help, but they also know that they cannot be relied on like how their SS agents can be.  The SS there are trained in asset protection, which local PD isn't.  The SS also has no idea of the type of training local PD has, especially in smaller towns.  So to leave 100% it up to local PD is another failure.  Again, layers of protection were ignored.

At the convention yesterday, Trumps new detail were all male and about his height.

I hope someone investigates the request for more security that was denied and any comms between the head of SS or decision maker about the issue.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 16, 2024, 09:53:27 AM
she was in the secret service
head of vp biden detail

Initial reports from the fake news headlines were "Trump falls off stage" type of reports. And yet, people still trust the fake news.  1 international news station called them out on their BS.

The head of the SS, last job was at Pepsi. IDK what she did there, but I would think the head of the SS was at some point in the SS and worked their way thru the ranks.  Or has some kind of asset protection XP with decades of XP.  I mean, maybe she did asset protection for the president of Pepsi. I never looked into it.

She also claims that no one was on the roof because the roof is too sloped and it's unsafe.  I've seen SS on scissors lifts so they can get the elevated positioning that they need.  She also blames local PD as they were responsible for that area.  This is a BS excuse, the SS does use local PD all the time for help, but they also know that they cannot be relied on like how their SS agents can be.  The SS there are trained in asset protection, which local PD isn't.  The SS also has no idea of the type of training local PD has, especially in smaller towns.  So to leave 100% it up to local PD is another failure.  Again, layers of protection were ignored.

At the convention yesterday, Trumps new detail were all male and about his height.

I hope someone investigates the request for more security that was denied and any comms between the head of SS or decision maker about the issue.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 16, 2024, 11:08:40 AM
she was in the secret service
head of vp biden detail

This makes a lot more sense.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 16, 2024, 11:19:51 AM
Biden is now saying we all need to tone down the rhetoric.

Who could have predicted there would be an attempt on Trump's life?

(https://i.imgur.com/RT5piKg.png)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: astroboy on July 16, 2024, 11:38:17 AM
I would like to see Biden walk back his comment on putting a bullseye on Trump.
He would probably not have anything to say about it and his handlers would not
want to risk another gaff episode.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 16, 2024, 11:50:57 AM
I would like to see Biden walk back his comment on putting a bullseye on Trump.
He would probably not have anything to say about it and his handlers would not
want to risk another gaff episode.

He doubled down on what he said.  He claimed he's not engaged in that rhetoric, but Trump is.

Quote
“It was a mistake to use the wor — I didn’t say crosshairs, I meant bullseye,
I meant focus on him, focus on what he’s doing, focus on his policies, focus
on the number of lies he told in the debate” Biden said.

“Look, I’m not the guy that said ‘I want to be a dictator on day one, I’m not the
guy that refused to accept the outcome of the election, I’m not the guy who
said that he wouldn’t accept the outcome of this election automatically.”

Holt pressed Biden, “Have you taken a step back and done a little soul-searching
on things that you may have said that could incite people who are not balanced?”

“How do you talk about the threat to democracy, which is real, when a president
says things like he says, do you just not say anything because it may incite
somebody?” Biden shot back.

“Look, I have not engaged in that rhetoric. Now my opponent has engaged in that
rhetoric, he talks about there will be a bloodbath if he loses, talking about how he’s
going to… I guess suspend the sentences of all those who were arrested and
sentenced to go to jail because of what happened in the Capitol.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-defends-bullseye-remark-about-trump-during-nbc-interview-with-lester-holt-i-didn-t-say-crosshairs/ar-BB1q2dE9

The man who can't put a sentence together that expresses a coherent thought is lecturing on the nuance between "target" and "crosshairs" -- and crosshairs was never brought up in the question.  His argument is that Trump said stuff, too.

Crosshairs .... target .... a distinction without a difference.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/just-in-biden-defends-saying-put-trump-in-a-bullseye-adding-i-didn-t-say-crosshairs/ar-BB1q2mNH
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 16, 2024, 12:20:40 PM
So where did the ladder come from?  I mean, was he walking around with it and his rifle? 
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: astroboy on July 16, 2024, 02:01:30 PM
He doubled down on what he said.  He claimed he's not engaged in that rhetoric, but Trump is.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-defends-bullseye-remark-about-trump-during-nbc-interview-with-lester-holt-i-didn-t-say-crosshairs/ar-BB1q2dE9

The man who can't put a sentence together that expresses a coherent thought is lecturing on the nuance between "target" and "crosshairs" -- and crosshairs was never brought up in the question.  His argument is that Trump said stuff, too.

Crosshairs .... target .... a distinction without a difference.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/just-in-biden-defends-saying-put-trump-in-a-bullseye-adding-i-didn-t-say-crosshairs/ar-BB1q2mNH


There goes Joe Biden doubling down on stupid again. It is obvious Joe and his handlers have no concern for the good of the country.
I had hope that Joe would just once do the right thing, but that is not possible. 
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 16, 2024, 05:05:11 PM
A cynical man would say this is what happens when a deep state run White House is in charge of the people providing security for the man they helped lose an election once already.
Do you share the same view as what you referenced a cynical man would say in the Trump shooting event in your post above?

For if you believe in a deep state running the US empire, I quote the following:


Apparently what actually happened based on observable events and what you seem to believe happened are not in the same realm of possibility.


And, if you subscribe to such deep state beliefs:


Now you've just confirmed you're hallucinating all on your own.  That's much worse.

Please seek professional help before you've completely checked out.

 :crazy:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 16, 2024, 05:11:58 PM
This was an inside job, They've tried for years to "get him" starting with libel and slander. That failed, so they tried racism. That failed. They escalated it to the corrupt judicial system. Going after his "friends"/allies first. They still had nothing. So then they went after him in the judicial system. They still had nothing, so they had to change the law, find a corrupt DA and judge in a corrupt state. He still was beating them and the outcome they wanted wasn't a "slam dunk". So what happened is the only logical next evolution.

Points below:

1) The SS use layers of protection. Each team is responsible for their sectors.  As you saw with the SS sniper on the roof, due to the scope he has, he's for 400m+ engagements. Which is why you see him have to raise his head to located a 150m threat and then reposition his rifle.

2) Multiple people called out guy on roof with rifle and nothing was done to address it in an urgent matter.  They let him get into position. There's rumors that a stand down order was given. Even if this is true, it's the duty of the counter sniper to disobey and engage. I mean, it's not like a random guy is walking around. A guy with a rifle is getting into a shooting position.

3) There are a lot of female SS for a former president and the top candidate.  DEI hires, since the head of the SS did state that she wants more women in the SS. Nevermind we want just good people, but it has to also be women.  You see 1 fail to holster her weapon multiple times. She then gave up. And they were also in panic mode when around his SUV. This is not SOP for the SS. They are supposed to take control of the situation and remain calm.  . A female SS agent who is a whole head shorter than the P. I mean, I'm sure there's supposed to be some height requirment depending on who the P is. You see her try to cover him and his entire head is exposed in her sector.  She then bends down to pick up his hat and exposing his entire body. I've seen older films of Carter and Reagan and they were much more professional.

4) Once Trump was covered by the SS when he hit the floor, the media boosted the mic. You hear trump ask for his shoes. I heard no SS voices. "Sir, we will get your shoes later". this is important because someone who was just shot may not be thinking clearly.  Once he can walk, they allowed him to remain on stage for way to long. A 223 will penetrate at least 1 agent and hit the P. Any higher caliber round would def penetrate multiple agents and hit the P. Trump wanted to stay on stage, but as the detail, you need to push his ass off stage to safety. Regardless if the radio said the shooter is down. What if there's more than 1, or that was an error. Once he's standing, he should have been off that stage in 2 seconds.  The reaction time was also a little slow once the first shot broke. Within 1-2 seconds, agents should have been on stage.

5) Back to the SUV, it should have left immediately. There should have been a clear exit path.

6) Why was the only structures that close left unsecure?  Local PD could have been patrolling it if SS resourses are too low.

7) This was the 2nd time Trump asked for more security but was denied. The 1st time was on J6 and Pelosi denied it.

Seems like the only guy who did his job was the sniper with the big ass scope. He broke off his sector as no one was watching the 150m roof top. Re-position his rifle and take the shot.

I had this discussion with EEF a few days ago, and it seems like his detail was the JV squad.  I think this was intentional as to give the shooter time and the best odds of success.  The various government agencies have been weaponized against Trump for years. The SS is no different.  But in the end, no one will be held accountable and face any sort of punishment.

I"m not a religious person, but I do think a higher power had his back.  1/2 a second later and he would have not just been hit on the ear.  That head turn made all the difference. 

The sad part is that they will try again, but on a more covert way.  We are becoming more and more of a communist country as political opponents are being targeted by the government agencies.  The illusion that we have rights is present and the government can swoop in and take them away at any moment. "I'll fight them in court and win", but at what cost. The process is the punishment.


If you believe what happened to Trump was an inside job as I do, I offer you the following dissenting view I received for offering a similar alternate possibility of events:


Apparently what actually happened based on observable events and what you seem to believe happened are not in the same realm of possibility.
Now you've just confirmed you're hallucinating all on your own.  That's much worse.

Please seek professional help before you've completely checked out.

 :crazy:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: ren on July 16, 2024, 05:17:21 PM
(https://wallpaperaccess.com/full/2804879.jpg)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 16, 2024, 06:21:44 PM
Do you share the same view as what you referenced a cynical man would say in the Trump shooting event in your post above?

For if you believe in a deep state running the US empire, I quote the following:



And, if you subscribe to such deep state beliefs:

No.

So go troll someone else for a change.

 :popcorn:

p.s. The fact you spent so much time finding the quotes you used is flattering.  Most people (EEF) would have posted his opinion without putting in the effort.

 :shaka:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 16, 2024, 06:28:39 PM

If you believe what happened to Trump was an inside job as I do, I offer you the following dissenting view I received for offering a similar alternate possibility of events:

I offer you a comparison of the statements you tried to equate:

Inside job:  An event that required assistance by someone with proper authority -- someone who had knowledge and/or access required to execute the plan successfully.

Realm of what's possible:  Not this:
Quote
...fire off a few rounds of credible misses but deliver the actual warning shot that grazed Trump.

Two different animals.  The former is within the realm of what's possible.  The latter requires a complete suspension of disbelief given the facts reported.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 16, 2024, 07:03:51 PM
The latter requires a complete suspension of disbelief given the facts reported.
What I posted was a possibility that I believed what happened.  I was flattered to see how that alternative view triggered your emotionally charged personal attacks to my post.   :thumbsup:

More information will surface, and I will be looking forward to what other alternative possibilities of what happened that you will most likely disagree in favor of the official narrative.   :shaka:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: ren on July 16, 2024, 07:24:33 PM
Imperial inside job.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1c/5d/55/1c5d552ab51f54a2f179019433a32158.jpg)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 16, 2024, 07:35:04 PM
What I posted was a possibility that I believed what happened.  I was flattered to see how that alternative view triggered your emotionally charged personal attacks to my post.   :thumbsup:

More information will surface, and I will be looking forward to what other alternative possibilities of what happened that you will most likely disagree in favor of the official narrative.   :shaka:

Did you watch the video of the shooting?

8 shots reported.  First 3 before Trump hit the deck.  5 more after.

You said you believed he "fire[d] off a few rounds of credible misses but deliver[ed] the actual warning shot that grazed Trump."

Which round was the warning shot?  Looked like #1.  I heard pop#1, then Trump grabbed his ear.  Your depiction doesn't fit the facts.

Trump turned his head quickly just a few millimeters, which was just enough to put his skull in the same line as the bullet.  If he hadn't, the round would have entered his skull around the top of the ear and penetrated his skull exiting the rear.

That must have been some skilled 20 year old using his father's rifle to only wing Trump through the ear while Trump's head was quickly turning.

Warning shot!


 :rofl:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 16, 2024, 08:51:09 PM
someone who claims to be "very astute" would not say "i truly believe" when posting "a possibility"

they would say "possibly" "could" "might" or something like that...

What I posted was a possibility that I believed what happened. 

Quote from: Kuleana on July 14, 2024, 09:06:16 AM

I truly believe the real shooter did exactly as ordered: fire off a few rounds of credible misses but deliver the actual warning shot that grazed Trump.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 16, 2024, 09:07:46 PM
someone who claims to be "very astute" would not say "i truly believe" when posting "a possibility"

they would say "possibly" "could" "might" or something like that...

Quote from: Kuleana on July 14, 2024, 09:06:16 AM

I truly believe the real shooter did exactly as ordered: fire off a few rounds of credible misses but deliver the actual warning shot that grazed Trump.

Just adding the phrase "real shooter" tells us all we need to know.

At least with JFK, the multiple shooter and magic bullet theories resulted in a death. 

I can't "believe" in a possibility that there was a "patsy" and a "real shooter", yet Trump was able to walk away ....

... unless Trump is The Highlander.

Hey, it's possible!
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on July 16, 2024, 10:15:12 PM
(https://www.icegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/icegif-627.gif)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: stangzilla on July 17, 2024, 09:15:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3nzRHNbwXI
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: zippz on July 17, 2024, 10:15:39 AM
There's a conspiracy theory that Trump was grazed by a glass shard off the teleprompter instead of the bullet.  I'm like what difference would that make?  But they are so into the theory.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 17, 2024, 10:29:04 AM
There's a conspiracy theory that Trump was grazed by a glass shard off the teleprompter instead of the bullet.  I'm like what difference would that make?  But they are so into the theory.

These pics show the 2 teleprompter displays.  Both appear to be intact, and this is obviously after the shooting.

There are other photos online showing the screens from other angles after the shooting.  Same conclusion -- no broken prompter screens.

 :wacko:

(https://i.imgur.com/Si1FraN.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZtcA9y4.jpeg)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: stangzilla on July 17, 2024, 12:06:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zLcbFHPkig
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 17, 2024, 02:17:08 PM

If you believe what happened to Trump was an inside job as I do, I offer you the following dissenting view I received for offering a similar alternate possibility of events:

Your theory of a intentional graze to the ear isn't in the whelm of possibility, esp with his head movements. 

with all the hate on Trump, that would mean only 2 people would know about this, Trump and the shooter.  Any more than that and they run the risk of someone narcing, esp with the weaponized DOJ going after Trumps people.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 17, 2024, 03:08:57 PM
Your theory of a intentional graze to the ear isn't in the whelm of possibility, esp with his head movements. 

with all the hate on Trump, that would mean only 2 people would know about this, Trump and the shooter.  Any more than that and they run the risk of someone narcing, esp with the weaponized DOJ going after Trumps people.

Sometimes the only response to a nonsensical comment is, "Well, bless your heart."

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: drck1000 on July 17, 2024, 03:25:27 PM
Or someone watching Crocodile Dundee and expect that level of accuracy to be easy. . .

Totally in the whelm (sic) of possibility. . .
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 17, 2024, 04:13:50 PM
Or someone watching Crocodile Dundee and expect that level of accuracy to be easy. . .

Totally in the whelm (sic) of possibility. . .

But not in the wheely wheel world.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 18, 2024, 09:44:33 AM
Sometimes the only response to a nonsensical comment is, "Well, bless your heart."
Well, make sure you tell that to everyone who offers that the Trump shooting was an "inside job" and not the official narrative that you believe.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 18, 2024, 10:17:38 AM
Your theory of a intentional graze to the ear isn't in the whelm of possibility, esp with his head movements. 

with all the hate on Trump, that would mean only 2 people would know about this, Trump and the shooter.  Any more than that and they run the risk of someone narcing, esp with the weaponized DOJ going after Trumps people.
My view is based on a premise that the Power Okole or whatever anyone wants to call them does not want Trump or Kennedy for that matter in the Oval Office for fear they will deviate from the geopolitical goals of the US empire.  The Power Okole can't assassinate Trump before the election for fear of potential Civil War nor Kennedy since that would bring back the ghosts of his assassinated predecessors further exposing their existence to the public.  The only thing that they can do prior to the November elections is provide a final warning to both of Trump as well as Kennedy to stay in-line or risk potential death of themselves or even their loved ones.

In regard to the actual events on the Trump shooting, I theorize that there were two shooters, the convenient patsy and the contracted real shooter.  In the chaos that followed, the patsy may or may have not been allowed to fire the actual weapon, while the real shooter presumedly in a different location was to provide the warning and/or the death shot (though I don't believe the Power Okole wanted Trump dead).  The media currently is reporting that Trump miraculously evaded the potential kill shot by turning his head at the right moment or the "shooter" just flat out missing his target.  The problem with this is the fact if the Power Okole wanted Trump dead, he would be shot dead.

To believe that the "identified" 20-year-old patsy was able to prepare and get himself in the right position to shoot Trump by himself without any professional assistance is possible, but very difficult to accept given the motives of Power Okole as publicly vocalized by their political minions that clearly want Trump out-of-the-picture.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: drck1000 on July 18, 2024, 10:27:16 AM
My view is based on a premise that the Power Okole or whatever anyone wants to call them does not want Trump or Kennedy for that matter in the Oval Office for fear they will deviate from the geopolitical goals of the US empire.  The Power Okole can't assassinate Trump before the election for fear of potential Civil War nor Kennedy since that would bring back the ghosts of his assassinated predecessors further exposing their existence to the public.  The only thing that they can do prior to the November elections is provide a final warning to both of Trump as well as Kennedy to stay in-line or risk potential death of themselves or even their loved ones.

In regard to the actual events on the Trump shooting, I theorize that there were two shooters, the convenient patsy and the contracted real shooter.  In the chaos that followed, the patsy may or may have not been allowed to fire the actual weapon, while the real shooter presumedly in a different location was to provide the warning and/or the death shot (though I don't believe the Power Okole wanted Trump dead).  The media currently is reporting that Trump miraculously evaded the potential kill shot by turning his head at the right moment or the "shooter" just flat out missing his target.  The problem with this is the fact if the Power Okole wanted Trump dead, he would be shot dead.

To believe that the "identified" 20-year-old patsy was able to prepare and get himself in the right position to shoot Trump by himself without any professional assistance is possible, but very difficult to accept given the motives of Power Okole as publicly vocalized by their political minions that clearly want Trump out-of-the-picture.
The part in bold seems to be your significant position or premise, correct?  So what's next? 

Your theory is interesting for sure.  Blend of Crocodile Dundee, Shooter, and House of Cards. . .
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 18, 2024, 10:42:32 AM
My view is based on a premise that the Power Okole or whatever anyone wants to call them does not want Trump or Kennedy for that matter in the Oval Office for fear they will deviate from the geopolitical goals of the US empire.  The Power Okole can't assassinate Trump before the election for fear of potential Civil War nor Kennedy since that would bring back the ghosts of his assassinated predecessors further exposing their existence to the public.  The only thing that they can do prior to the November elections is provide a final warning to both of Trump as well as Kennedy to stay in-line or risk potential death of themselves or even their loved ones.

In regard to the actual events on the Trump shooting, I theorize that there were two shooters, the convenient patsy and the contracted real shooter.  In the chaos that followed, the patsy may or may have not been allowed to fire the actual weapon, while the real shooter presumedly in a different location was to provide the warning and/or the death shot (though I don't believe the Power Okole wanted Trump dead).  The media currently is reporting that Trump miraculously evaded the potential kill shot by turning his head at the right moment or the "shooter" just flat out missing his target.  The problem with this is the fact if the Power Okole wanted Trump dead, he would be shot dead.

To believe that the "identified" 20-year-old patsy was able to prepare and get himself in the right position to shoot Trump by himself without any professional assistance is possible, but very difficult to accept given the motives of Power Okole as publicly vocalized by their political minions that clearly want Trump out-of-the-picture.

Read my other post on the why this happened.  They allowed the ID'd 20 year old to take the shot. But he failed.  A "warning shot" to the ear is too high risk.  Too many unknown variables. Luck was on Trumps side.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 18, 2024, 10:47:03 AM
so you still moving goalposts from "I truly believe"?
got it...

In regard to the actual events on the Trump shooting, I theorize that there were two shooters, the convenient patsy and the contracted real shooter.  In the chaos that followed, the patsy may or may have not been allowed to fire the actual weapon, while the real shooter presumedly in a different location was to provide the warning and/or the death shot (though I don't believe the Power Okole wanted Trump dead).  The media currently is reporting that Trump miraculously evaded the potential kill shot by turning his head at the right moment or the "shooter" just flat out missing his target.  The problem with this is the fact if the Power Okole wanted Trump dead, he would be shot dead.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 18, 2024, 11:58:26 AM
Well, make sure you tell that to everyone who offers that the Trump shooting was an "inside job" and not the official narrative that you believe.

Why are you trying to control my thoughts and comments?

Do you not have enough in your own life to worry about?

I'm thinking the English translation of "Kuleana" has to be "Karen."
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 18, 2024, 01:11:32 PM
I want to apply for Secret Service.

I sometimes have a hard time holstering my gun also. :D

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 18, 2024, 10:40:58 PM
My view is based on a premise that the Power Okole or whatever anyone wants to call them does not want Trump or Kennedy for that matter in the Oval Office for fear they will deviate from the geopolitical goals of the US empire.  The Power Okole can't assassinate Trump before the election for fear of potential Civil War nor Kennedy since that would bring back the ghosts of his assassinated predecessors further exposing their existence to the public.  The only thing that they can do prior to the November elections is provide a final warning to both of Trump as well as Kennedy to stay in-line or risk potential death of themselves or even their loved ones.

In regard to the actual events on the Trump shooting, I theorize that there were two shooters, the convenient patsy and the contracted real shooter.  In the chaos that followed, the patsy may or may have not been allowed to fire the actual weapon, while the real shooter presumedly in a different location was to provide the warning and/or the death shot (though I don't believe the Power Okole wanted Trump dead).  The media currently is reporting that Trump miraculously evaded the potential kill shot by turning his head at the right moment or the "shooter" just flat out missing his target.  The problem with this is the fact if the Power Okole wanted Trump dead, he would be shot dead.

To believe that the "identified" 20-year-old patsy was able to prepare and get himself in the right position to shoot Trump by himself without any professional assistance is possible, but very difficult to accept given the motives of Power Okole as publicly vocalized by their political minions that clearly want Trump out-of-the-picture.
What a surprise!   :shake:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlNW-U4hH70
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 19, 2024, 01:23:09 AM
What a surprise!   :shake:

Cool story, bro.

So, you believe every person that gave an interview was able to see the top of the roof the shooter was killed on, regardless of their proximity to the building?

Of course they will think the shot had to have come from the  tower.  it's inconceivable a shooter could have been as close as the shooter was when he fired.

Maybe the tower sniper shot the patsy on the roof, just in case the secret service missed?  That theory would play much better in your multi-shooter fantasy, don't you think?  Because the Jack Ruby scenario requires a second sacrificial lamb, and the Epstein suicide route is just too recent.

i hope the people feeding your delusion appreciate the clicks and views you're driving their way.

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 19, 2024, 01:53:19 AM
For fun, I went on Google Earth to check the trajectory a bullet would have taken from the rooftop where the lone shooter was killed, and from the water tower where a fictitious second shooter would have been.

Here's the screen grab:

(https://i.imgur.com/VpHOnLh.png)

Given the position of Trump's stage with his back to the three buildings, he would have been facing roughly West with his right side facing roughly North toward the roof top and water tower.


Here's where Trump's head was when he was struck:

(https://i.imgur.com/RdX3AeR.png)


Given the location and direction the stage was, and the fact his head was less than 90 degrees to the right in relation to the podium (podium was was parallel to the front edge of the stage), it's much more likely the shot came from Trump's right-front direction than from right-rear.  His head would have had to be looking behind him for the bullet to graze past his skull if coming from the tower.

It's just not likely that a shot from the tower would have missed Trump's skull so close that it pierced his ear and missed entering his skull -- unless you believe it bounced off his thick skull without leaving a mark.

Just a rough analysis on my  part, but it's better than a video (AI enhanced?) showing what might have been Sasquatch climbing a water tower to get a glimpse of President Trump -- the man ... the myth ... the legend!

 :geekdanc: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: zippz on July 19, 2024, 07:40:17 AM
Im just amazed that some people can't imagine government agencies screwing up.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: oldfart on July 19, 2024, 08:11:01 AM
Im just amazed that some people can't imagine government agencies screwing up.
========
exactly

example...
Nobody wants to be a cop nowadays because of the heightened scrutiny and attention they get.
Cops deal with drug-crazed and violent criminals, but they are supposed to be nice and gentle when arresting these people?
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 19, 2024, 08:14:40 AM
Cool story, bro.

So, you believe every person that gave an interview was able to see the top of the roof the shooter was killed on, regardless of their proximity to the building?

Of course they will think the shot had to have come from the  tower.  it's inconceivable a shooter could have been as close as the shooter was when he fired.

Maybe the tower sniper shot the patsy on the roof, just in case the secret service missed?  That theory would play much better in your multi-shooter fantasy, don't you think?  Because the Jack Ruby scenario requires a second sacrificial lamb, and the Epstein suicide route is just too recent.

i hope the people feeding your delusion appreciate the clicks and views you're driving their way.

Keep up the good work!
Why are you so quick to discredit anything that questions the official narrative regarding the Trump shooting?

Since I know you don't believe in the Deep State, Power Okole, etc., it's very flattering to see how much effort you put in your responses to my posts on this topic especially when you don't think the Trump shooting was an inside job.   :shaka:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 19, 2024, 08:18:31 AM
Why are you so quick to discredit anything that questions the official narrative regarding the Trump shooting?

Since I know you don't believe in the Deep State, Power Okole, etc., it's very flattering to see how much effort you put in your responses to my posts on this topic especially when you don't think the Trump shooting was an inside job.   :shaka:

I believe with everything but the intentional graze to the ear.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: zippz on July 19, 2024, 08:24:03 AM
I like how people are demanding Trump's medical evaluation for an ear nick but complained when others asked Biden for a cognitive test.  I get it that he might have some PTSD but he seems to be handling it well.  Others say an AR-15 round would've blown part of his head off when it hit his ear.  Seems a bit overblown.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: There are still key questions about Trump’s injuries after attempted assassination

A full public assessment of Trump’s injuries is necessary, for both the former president’s own health and the clarity it can provide for voters about the recovery of the man who could become president of the United States once again. The concern is that gunshot blasts near the head can cause injuries that aren’t immediately noticeable, such as bleeding in or on the brain, damage to the inner ear or even psychological trauma.

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 19, 2024, 08:31:53 AM
I believe with everything but the intentional graze to the ear.

Allow me to clarify.

While most are focusing on the "officially recognized" deceased patsy who did his role and now taking the blame, I truly believe the real shooter did exactly as ordered: fire off a few rounds of credible misses but deliver the actual warning shot that grazed Trump.  Unfortunately, like with the Kennedy assassinations in the 1960's, no one will be able to debunk the current evolving Trump assassination attempt narrative until after the current adult population and everyone involved are long dead.
Based on my original post, I said the real shooter's primary mission was to fire warning shots at Trump and not specifically target his ear per se.  The fact a rifle round did in-fact grazed Trump's ear is in my view unintentional since killing Trump at this moment before the November election would only lead to possible civil war that the Power Okole, Deep State, etc. can't control its outcome and, hence, does not want.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 19, 2024, 08:42:44 AM
Similar to macsak's thread on this issue, more potential evidence of discrediting a single shooter has surfaced.

Now, audio analysis suggests noise from Weapon A and Weapon B.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LouUbMYb7Bc&t=808s
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 19, 2024, 08:48:25 AM
you did not say "not specifically target his ear"...

Allow me to clarify.
Based on my original post, I said the real shooter's primary mission was to fire warning shots at Trump and not specifically target his ear per se.  The fact a rifle round did in-fact grazed Trump's ear is in my view unintentional since killing Trump at this moment before the November election would only lead to possible civil war that the Power Okole, Deep State, etc. can't control its outcome and, hence, does not want.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: zippz on July 19, 2024, 09:12:37 AM
Allow me to clarify.
Based on my original post, I said the real shooter's primary mission was to fire warning shots at Trump and not specifically target his ear per se.  The fact a rifle round did in-fact grazed Trump's ear is in my view unintentional since killing Trump at this moment before the November election would only lead to possible civil war that the Power Okole, Deep State, etc. can't control its outcome and, hence, does not want.

At least that's a bit more realistic.

But the premise is still flawed cause an attempted assassination would help Trump win and increase his resolve.  I can see an idiot like that 20yr old shooter thinking that, but not some kind of mastermind high level organization.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: drck1000 on July 19, 2024, 09:42:00 AM
you did not say "not specifically target his ear"...
and that's one doozy of a "warning shot". . .

Can we get bigger quotes? Ya know, for "air quotes"?
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 19, 2024, 09:49:37 AM
At least that's a bit more realistic.

But the premise is still flawed cause an attempted assassination would help Trump win and increase his resolve.  I can see an idiot like that 20yr old shooter thinking that, but not some kind of mastermind high level organization.
Those that will vote for Trump will do so.  The Trump shooting does not necessarily mean Democratic voters will switch sides and vote for Trump, especially when Kennedy running as an independent is another viable option.  Moreover, there is no proof that Republican voters who also disklike Trump will vote for Trump now when an alternative like Kennedy is available as I mentioned above.

Based on this premise, although the Power Okole, Deep State, etc. will resort to cheating this November, Trump's chances of winning is still very real.  Hence, in my view, the Power Okole's only play before the election is to remind both Trump and Kennedy who really controls the US empire and that they can be both assassinated at any time if they win after the election should they not submit to their bidding.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 19, 2024, 10:21:43 AM


Based on this premise, although the Power Okole, Deep State, etc. will resort to cheating this November, Trump's chances of winning is still very real.  Hence, in my view, the Power Okole's only play before the election is to remind both Trump and Kennedy who really controls the US empire and that they can be both assassinated at any time if they win after the election should they not submit to their bidding.

I heard Trump reached out to Kennedy.  Not sure how that panned out but that would be great if Trump is President and Kennedy is appointed to head the DOJ.

Whoo Hoo!  They can literally screw the Power Okole! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: zippz on July 19, 2024, 10:35:06 AM
and that's one doozy of a "warning shot". . .

Can we get bigger quotes? Ya know, for "air quotes"?

If Trump hired the shooter to miss him, he'd be fired for missing the miss.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 19, 2024, 11:25:21 AM
Allow me to clarify.
Based on my original post, I said the real shooter's primary mission was to fire warning shots at Trump and not specifically target his ear per se.  The fact a rifle round did in-fact grazed Trump's ear is in my view unintentional since killing Trump at this moment before the November election would only lead to possible civil war that the Power Okole, Deep State, etc. can't control its outcome and, hence, does not want.

One doesn't give warning shots that close. 12 inches in any direction is more than enough to factor in any unpredicted movements and still plausible.  And at that distance, unless you're shooting a 22 where the wind can cause the bullet to move left or right an easy 8 inches, you won't miss what you're aiming at.

Then add in that the intentional miss plan would need a dead body.  Or a manhunt will happen until someone is found.  And if they're found alive, they may talk eventually.  Add in that the SS lapse in security, basically, too many people would have to be in on the plan for warning shots.  So refer to my post about someone will eventually narc and expose everything.

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 19, 2024, 11:27:53 AM
Why are you so quick to discredit anything that questions the official narrative regarding the Trump shooting?

Since I know you don't believe in the Deep State, Power Okole, etc., it's very flattering to see how much effort you put in your responses to my posts on this topic especially when you don't think the Trump shooting was an inside job.   :shaka:

Why am I so quick?

Because I don't stop to see what other conspiracy nuts are posting before I form an opinion on the available facts.

Either you believe the government agencies are incompetent and poorly run, or they are criminal masterminds who planned and executed a flawless "warning shot" through Trump's ear to make him decline the RNC nomination.

So which is it?  Can't have it both ways.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 19, 2024, 11:37:59 AM
Similar to macsak's thread on this issue, more potential evidence of discrediting a single shooter has surfaced.

Now, audio analysis suggests noise from Weapon A and Weapon B.


Wait a minute.

You post a video that is titled:
"Audio Analysis Is 100% Clear Trump& Crowd Were Shot At By Two Separate People - Peak Prosperity"
"TWO SHOOTERS CONFIRMED!"

And then you have the gall to post a plainly worded comment to that video:
"Now, audio analysis suggests noise from Weapon A and Weapon B."

I'm college educated, so BELIEVE me when i tell you there is a very significant difference between "suggests" and "Confirmed" as well as "100% Clear."

Even you don't believe the BS you're sharing here.

 :geekdanc:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 19, 2024, 11:51:41 AM
koolio just trying to equivocate so he/she doesn't get called out later for being wrong or moving goalposts...

Wait a minute.

You post a video that is titled:
"Audio Analysis Is 100% Clear Trump& Crowd Were Shot At By Two Separate People - Peak Prosperity"
"TWO SHOOTERS CONFIRMED!"

And then you have the gall to post a plainly worded comment to that video:
"Now, audio analysis suggests noise from Weapon A and Weapon B."

I'm college educated, so BELIEVE me when i tell you there is a very significant difference between "suggests" and "Confirmed" as well as "100% Clear."

Even you don't believe the BS you're sharing here.

 :geekdanc:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 19, 2024, 12:21:54 PM
koolio just trying to equivocate so he/she doesn't get called out later for being wrong or moving goalposts...
If you want to make this personal with insults, please let me know as I would be happy to play.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 19, 2024, 12:30:25 PM
One doesn't give warning shots that close. 12 inches in any direction is more than enough to factor in any unpredicted movements and still plausible.  And at that distance, unless you're shooting a 22 where the wind can cause the bullet to move left or right an easy 8 inches, you won't miss what you're aiming at.

Then add in that the intentional miss plan would need a dead body.  Or a manhunt will happen until someone is found.  And if they're found alive, they may talk eventually.  Add in that the SS lapse in security, basically, too many people would have to be in on the plan for warning shots.  So refer to my post about someone will eventually narc and expose everything.
I am surprised you are dwelling on my personal belief that the Trump shooting was more of a warning to Trump rather being a botched assassination attempt which is minor compared to the bigger picture. 

What the Trump shooting did show is that although the Power Okole has fired the first shots and missed, they have made clear that they are willing to go to any lengths to achieve their goals and will not make any mistakes if there is a next time.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 19, 2024, 12:35:06 PM
If you want to make this personal with insults, please let me know as I would be happy to play.

I guess Kuleana identifies as neither (non-binary) or both (gender-fluid).

It's so hard to keep up with all these changing identities nowadays.

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 19, 2024, 12:37:00 PM
since when is not wanting to misgender you an insult?

If you want to make this personal with insults, please let me know as I would be happy to play.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 19, 2024, 12:38:29 PM
I am surprised you are dwelling on my personal belief that the Trump shooting was more of a warning to Trump rather being a botched assassination attempt which is minor compared to the bigger picture. 

What the Trump shooting did show is that although the Power Okole has fired the first shots and missed, they have made clear that they are willing to go to any lengths to achieve their goals and will not make any mistakes if there is a next time.

WE are only "dwelling" on what you told us.

Are we supposed to address what you say you "truly believe," or only address other, more rational possibilities.

Don't toss out a conspiracy theory then expect us to ignore it.

"In the chaos that followed, the patsy may or may have not been allowed to fire the actual weapon, while the real shooter presumedly in a different location was to provide the warning and/or the death shot (though I don't believe the Power Okole wanted Trump dead).
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 19, 2024, 12:38:51 PM
"more of a warning"?
what happened to "i truly believe"???

I am surprised you are dwelling on my personal belief that the Trump shooting was more of a warning to Trump rather being a botched assassination attempt which is minor compared to the bigger picture. 

What the Trump shooting did show is that although the Power Okole has fired the first shots and missed, they have made clear that they are willing to go to any lengths to achieve their goals and will not make any mistakes if there is a next time.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 19, 2024, 12:40:10 PM
I heard Trump reached out to Kennedy.  Not sure how that panned out but that would be great if Trump is President and Kennedy is appointed to head the DOJ.

Whoo Hoo!  They can literally screw the Power Okole! :thumbsup:
I think both Trump and Kennedy want to expose the oligarchs that control the US empire especially now both having experiences they can personally relate regarding the issue of assassination.  It is very ironic you mention having Trump and Kennedy being on the same side as John and Bob Kennedy were two individuals that refused to kowtow to the Power Okole during their time and both having to pay with their lives in doing so.

I just pray history does not repeat itself. 
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 19, 2024, 12:43:36 PM
cough*mansplain*cough

I think both Trump and Kennedy want to expose the oligarchs that control the US empire especially now both having experiences they can personally relate regarding the issue of assassination.  It is very ironic you mention having Trump and Kennedy being on the same side as John and Bob Kennedy were two individuals that refused to kowtow to the Power Okole during their time and both having to pay with their lives in doing so.

I just pray history does not repeat itself.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 19, 2024, 12:44:56 PM
I guess Kuleana identifies as neither (non-binary) or both (gender-fluid).
I believe in only two genders, but I guess you recognize other possibilities based on your post.   :geekdanc:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 19, 2024, 12:45:35 PM
...

What the Trump shooting did show is that although the Power Okole has fired the first shots and missed, they have made clear that they are willing to go to any lengths to achieve their goals and will not make any mistakes if there is a next time.

I'll "dwell" on this statement for now.

First of all, i don't see any "clear" description of who "they" might be.

Second, was the first time a "mistake?"  Are you saying it was a mistake now?  Seems like that's what you're implying when you say, "...will not make any mistakes if there is a next time."

Third, I'm not sure what "goals" you say "they are willing to go to any lengths to achieve."  If the goal was to give Trump a massive jump in the election polls, I'm not sure you are in tune with what's going on here.  If you believe the goal was to make Trump quit the campaign, I don't think you been paying attention to who Trump is nor what motivates him.

Please, be clear -- as clear as "they" have been to you.  Was the miss intentional and a warning, intended to get him to quit, or was it a mistake which you believe won't happen "the next time."

I need a road map to follow your "logic" on this one.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 19, 2024, 12:48:54 PM
I believe in only two genders, but I guess you recognize other possibilities based on your post.   :geekdanc:

Good, so he/she is accurate in describing you.

Until you pick one or the other, that's the best we can do for you.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 19, 2024, 01:57:34 PM
I am surprised you are dwelling on my personal belief that the Trump shooting was more of a warning to Trump rather being a botched assassination attempt which is minor compared to the bigger picture. 

What the Trump shooting did show is that although the Power Okole has fired the first shots and missed, they have made clear that they are willing to go to any lengths to achieve their goals and will not make any mistakes if there is a next time.

It's because the power okele tried to assassinate trump.  Not give him a warning.  They've tried and failed in other ways to get him off the ballot.  This was only the next logical evolution to their attempts.  Read my initial posting.  Trump was very lucky. 
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 19, 2024, 02:06:58 PM
It's because the power okele tried to assassinate trump.  Not give him a warning.  They've tried and failed in other ways to get him off the ballot.  This was only the next logical evolution to their attempts.  Read my initial posting.  Trump was very lucky.
I never said I disagreed with your premise that Trump may have been lucky and good for him; however, I can't discount the alternative view I offered since the Power Okole usually never fails in its assassination missions like in the case of Osama Bin Laden or Qasem Soleimani.  The US empire has access to the best assassins in the World and it's hard to believe they would fail unless it was meant to be a warning/failure or perhaps even a stand down order given at the last minute.

Hopefully more info comes out.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 19, 2024, 02:17:22 PM
Why are you so quick to discredit anything that questions the official narrative regarding the Trump shooting?

Since I know you don't believe in the Deep State, Power Okole, etc., it's very flattering to see how much effort you put in your responses to my posts on this topic especially when you don't think the Trump shooting was an inside job.   :shaka:

2 more things:

1.  If you really did appreciate the effort I put into looking at the positions of the water tower, the shooter's rooftop location and Trump's location on stage, you would have at least complimented the graphic -- if not criticized it in some way.  Ignoring it is just rude.

2.  Show me where I said I "don't think the Trump shooting was an inside job."  I explained already that it being an inside job is not the same as being a conspiracy with two shooters, an intentional miss/warning shot and some power okole setting it up.  Inside means just that -- Secret Service, law enforcement, Trump campaign members, etc.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 19, 2024, 02:59:57 PM
I never said I disagreed with your premise that Trump may have been lucky and good for him; however, I can't discount the alternative view I offered since the Power Okole usually never fails in its assassination missions like in the case of Osama Bin Laden or Qasem Soleimani.  The US empire has access to the best assassins in the World and it's hard to believe they would fail unless it was meant to be a warning/failure or perhaps even a stand down order given at the last minute.

Hopefully more info comes out.

The problem is that the "best assassins" don't get caught.  A high profile like Trump, they cannot just say "well, we can't find the shooter. Lets call it a day".  So we circle back to all my statements I made about it not being a warning shot due to the proximity.  A best assassin wouldn't get an ear shot. And if it was a mistake, then they're not very good.

I'm just pointing the flaw in the theory of a warning shot or intentional graze.  Other media outlets are also saying the ear shot was intentional.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 19, 2024, 03:30:00 PM
The problem is that the "best assassins" don't get caught.  A high profile like Trump, they cannot just say "well, we can't find the shooter. Lets call it a day".  So we circle back to all my statements I made about it not being a warning shot due to the proximity.  A best assassin wouldn't get an ear shot. And if it was a mistake, then they're not very good.

I'm just pointing the flaw in the theory of a warning shot or intentional graze.  Other media outlets are also saying the ear shot was intentional.

Those other media outlets are just regurgitating the Left-wingnut conspiracy theories.

For the last 2 decades, journalism has become nothing but a click-generating revenue model.  If it gets clicks, they'll print it.  Doesn't matter nothing they say is vetted or verified.  As long as they can point to a phrase they included like, "according to this guy on X" or "A source who wishes to remain anonymous," they can print all the lies they want as many times as they want.

I refer you to the Russia-Collusion Hoax as an example.

If you'd like a more recent example:

Headline from CNN:
Trump falls to ground during rally in Pennsylvania
Quote
Former US President Donald Trump stumbled at a rally in
Pennsylvania following loud bangs, according to CNN.

Secret Service agents escorted former President Donald Trump
off stage after he fell to the ground at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.

Before his fall, there was a loud noise. Agents helped him to his feet,
and there was blood on his face.

As he walked off stage, he raised his fist and shouted in response to
the crowd. He was then placed into a vehicle and evacuated from the
scene.

According to unconfirmed information from other sources, there was an
attempt on Donald Trump. It is reported that a bullet passed a few
centimeters from his head and grazed his ear. After the incident, the rally
broadcast was halted.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-falls-to-ground-during-rally-in-pennsylvania-cnn/ar-BB1pWxa1

The CNN story was technically accurate, but in no way did it tell the truth.  It's not like the news it was an assassination attempt took hours to ascertain.   :crazy:

There's a reason why in court you swear to tell THE WHOLE TRUTH.  Because half truths are still lies.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: rpoL98 on July 19, 2024, 05:22:06 PM
here's a few more from the Babylon Bee: (https://babylonbee.com/news/how-cnn-reported-on-7-famous-assassinations)

(https://i.imgur.com/zwN5AVG.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/RLrBMfr.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/vwZUkj8.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/KHbqP7c.png)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 19, 2024, 06:22:30 PM
Kuleana is in good company ...

One in Three Biden Supporters Think
Trump Shooting Might Have Been Staged

Quote
A new poll has laid bare how many voters believe the conspiracy theories swirling
around the attempted assignation of Donald Trump over the weekend.

One third of those who support Trump's Democratic presidential rival Joe Biden said
they believe the attack may have been staged and had never been intended to kill
the former president. That equates to a little over 33 percent. And even some of Trump's
own supporters believe the same thing, with around 12 percent suspecting the event
was planned, according to the poll conducted by Morning Consult, an American business
intelligence company.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/one-in-three-biden-supporters-think-trump-shooting-might-have-been-staged/ar-BB1q50Co
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 19, 2024, 06:26:08 PM
I found an obscure article that said Oswald fired 2 warning shots at President Kennedy.

I guess he wasn't as good a shot as we've been lead to believe.

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: ren on July 19, 2024, 07:05:00 PM
What is the definition of a warning shot? Can't find it in any SOP or FM.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 19, 2024, 07:49:37 PM
"i truly believe" to "i never said i disagreed" and "can't discount the alternative view i offered"
goalposts moved...

I never said I disagreed with your premise that Trump may have been lucky and good for him; however, I can't discount the alternative view I offered since the Power Okole usually never fails in its assassination missions like in the case of Osama Bin Laden or Qasem Soleimani.  The US empire has access to the best assassins in the World and it's hard to believe they would fail unless it was meant to be a warning/failure or perhaps even a stand down order given at the last minute.

Hopefully more info comes out.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 19, 2024, 08:51:35 PM
What is the definition of a warning shot? Can't find it in any SOP or FM.

Through deductive reasoning, I infer that a warning shot is defined as:

one or more shots fired in the direction of, and in very close proximity to, an individual
in order to persuade, convince or otherwise coerce the individual into acting in a manner other
than that in which the individual has been acting.


What's crazy about that inference (besides the obvious "missing on purpose" thing) is there's nothing the shooter left behind
to explain why he shot at Trump.  Maybe he did and it's not been discovered and/or reported on yet.  Or maybe he mailed
his explanation to the Trump campaign or the FBI -- just waiting on the mail to be delivered.

Do we just assume the warning given was to drop out of the race?  How would we know?  It's an assumption that the
shot was intentionally missed, and therefore so is the meaning behind the warning.

In any event, for all we know, that shot was taken by a mentally unstable loner who was radicalized and brainwashed by the
Left in this country, including the Trump-hating media.  When the news came out that Trump won his immunity case and that
the classified documents case was dismissed on Constitutional grounds, he took it upon himself to be a hero and "save" the
country from this person who's been vilified as Hitler, a dictator, a rapist, a racist, a misogynist, a threat to our democracy and
an existential threat to the nation.

We do know this person supported Democrat candidates with donations, and that he switched his party affiliation in all probablility
in order to try and rig the Republican Primary against Trump.


I think the latter explanation basically puts any warning shot theories to rest.  Nobody with an ounce of sense would give Trump
a chance to go into an election as the victim of an attempted assassination.  And the chances they will make good on their first
"warning" are much worse now that the security lapse have been identified.  They'll be much more ready if there is another
incident like this.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: ren on July 20, 2024, 08:58:17 AM
Remember this?

(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/11/TS-KATHY-GRIFFIN-TRUMP-HAED-COMP.jpg?w=620)

They had this plot started way back then....sick
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 20, 2024, 09:59:23 AM
https://youtu.be/P6hTbo6IKSI?si=ygQIgzcWJwTODsNi
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 20, 2024, 09:59:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/live/fp4KvbRlD0Q?si=JYc1H2DHvqwo3T3H
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 20, 2024, 10:01:59 AM
Remember this?

(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/11/TS-KATHY-GRIFFIN-TRUMP-HAED-COMP.jpg?w=620)

They had this plot started way back then....sick

It does look a little familiar.


https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=54037.msg484992#msg484992
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 20, 2024, 10:06:51 AM
Shooter on the water tower doesn’t hold water.  A 5.56 at that range would not make sense.  Too far for a decisive head shot. Need a better round for that distance. 

Initial reports show the roof top shooter on the corner of the building, yet his body was much further to the middle. The blood trail shows that’s exactly where he was terminated.  The open window is in line with the shots.  Unsecured open 2nd floor window, approximately the same ~150 yard distance.  Easily make able shot with a quality 5.56 and optic. 
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 20, 2024, 11:03:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/live/fp4KvbRlD0Q?si=JYc1H2DHvqwo3T3H
The assessment offered particularly regarding the geopolitical motives and the people that would have taken Trump's place as the Republican candidate make logical sense for the continuation of the proxy war with Russia and opening hostilities with Iran and China.

With the geopolitical stakes this high, Trump's survival is almost impossible to believe.  Hence, whether it was a botched assassination attempt, a last-minute stand-down order, preplanned failed attempt, or sheer luck, it is almost a guarantee that the Power Okole has a Plan B that they will implement.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 20, 2024, 12:51:42 PM
The assessment offered particularly regarding the geopolitical motives and the people that would have taken Trump's place as the Republican candidate make logical sense for the continuation of the proxy war with Russia and opening hostilities with Iran and China.

With the geopolitical stakes this high, Trump's survival is almost impossible to believe.  Hence, whether it was a botched assassination attempt, a last-minute stand-down order, preplanned failed attempt, or sheer luck, it is almost a guarantee that the Power Okole has a Plan B that they will implement.

Can you put a number on what "almost guarantee" entails?  An unqualified guarantee is 100%. 

is that the same as "highly likely" (no relative value), or closer to "more likely than not" (better than 50%)?

Sounds like you might be 99.99999% sure of your assertion, but you are hedging your bets by leaving wiggle room for being totally off base.

Just want to know if Trump should be interviewing doubles to act as decoys.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 20, 2024, 01:12:05 PM
you got all the bases covered
that reduces the movement of the goalposts...

The assessment offered particularly regarding the geopolitical motives and the people that would have taken Trump's place as the Republican candidate make logical sense for the continuation of the proxy war with Russia and opening hostilities with Iran and China.

With the geopolitical stakes this high, Trump's survival is almost impossible to believe.  Hence, whether it was a botched assassination attempt, a last-minute stand-down order, preplanned failed attempt, or sheer luck, it is almost a guarantee that the Power Okole has a Plan B that they will implement.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 20, 2024, 01:15:20 PM
you got all the bases covered
that reduces the movement of the goalposts...

I'm just trying to find out if he truly believes it's an almost guarantee that there's a Plan B.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 20, 2024, 01:32:11 PM
Shooter on the water tower doesn’t hold water.  A 5.56 at that range would not make sense.  Too far for a decisive head shot. Need a better round for that distance. 

Initial reports show the roof top shooter on the corner of the building, yet his body was much further to the middle. The blood trail shows that’s exactly where he was terminated.  The open window is in line with the shots.  Unsecured open 2nd floor window, approximately the same ~150 yard distance.  Easily make able shot with a quality 5.56 and optic.

I have a very difficult time with any theory that involves more than one shooter.

You assign more than one so you have twice the probability that at least one round finds its target.  One shooter (the patsy) is visible while the other is secluded. 

If there was another shooter, Trump would be attending his funeral instead of a convention.

This is just my opinion, but I truly, truly believe it.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 20, 2024, 02:41:44 PM
I have a very difficult time with any theory that involves more than one shooter.

You assign more than one so you have twice the probability that at least one round finds its target.  One shooter (the patsy) is visible while the other is secluded. 

If there was another shooter, Trump would be attending his funeral instead of a convention.

This is just my opinion, but I truly, truly believe it.

There was one shooter. In the open window of the building.  The guy on the roof was just the decoy.    Check those two videos I linked. 
Not saying this is what happened, but is more logical than one nut case getting EXTREMELY lucky.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 20, 2024, 03:23:18 PM
There was one shooter. In the open window of the building.  The guy on the roof was just the decoy.    Check those two videos I linked. 
Not saying this is what happened, but is more logical than one nut case getting EXTREMELY lucky.

The results don't match your scenario.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: ren on July 20, 2024, 03:33:48 PM
Trump was used as the target for the DARPA prototype

(http://xirdalium.net/wp-content/uploads/runaway_bullett.png)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 20, 2024, 03:59:18 PM
The results don't match your scenario.

Just saying.

How so?  The shot that hit Trump’s ear was the first shot. A very well placed aimed shot.  Only thing that saved him was a very lucky last minute move.  That is the very reason people are not trained, generally, to shoot at the head.  The head moves around too much for a reliable hit.  I’m sure the shooter probably knows he might’ve been wearing body armor, therefore a head shot would be needed. 

You telling me a 20yo dorky gamer, that failed the high school rifle team, got that well of a shot off after being startled by the police?

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 20, 2024, 04:03:50 PM
Also if you look at the angles. The window/roof edge is where the shots originated.  His body was way over to the right. 

I want to see the ballistics, shell casings collected matching the number of shots fired, recovered bullets, etc. the more you look at it the less it adds up. 

Same MO as LV

Sadly, with the alphabet agencies looking into it, I highly doubt there will be an accurate investigation.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 20, 2024, 04:18:40 PM
How so?  The shot that hit Trump’s ear was the first shot. A very well placed aimed shot.  Only thing that saved him was a very lucky last minute move.  That is the very reason people are not trained, generally, to shoot at the head.  The head moves around too much for a reliable hit.  I’m sure the shooter probably knows he might’ve been wearing body armor, therefore a head shot would be needed. 

You telling me a 20yo dorky gamer, that failed the high school rifle team, got that well of a shot off after being startled by the police?

But, "the first shot" means there was not a volley of simultaneous shots.

is it common for two shooters about to assassinate someone to hold their fire until he knows whether other one missed?  Seems strange they weren't synchronized close enough to at least make the lone gunman theory plausible.

The LONE shooter might have not been able to compete with other classmates who were better marksmen in order to win a place on a competition school rifle team, but he WAS STILL a member of a shooting club at the range and spent a good amount of time at the range practicing, according to the reports that are not trying to spin the narrative that he didn't act alone.

"A very well placed aimed shot. "

What?

If you look at the trajectory from the rooftop to where Trump was, it doesn't matter how many times or how sharply or quickly Trump's head was swiveling.  If the shooter had the center of Trump's head in his sights, it's doubtful Trump would have dodged it.  Trump's head turned INTO the path of the bullet, making his head parallel with the plane of the bullet's path. 

Trump only had to move his head a couple of millimeters for the kid to miss.  That doesn't sound like a well placed shot.  Sounds like he would have to have been very lucky himself to have been at all effective.

Seems more like someone's first time shooting at a live target, and his 'nerves' took over.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 20, 2024, 04:31:18 PM
Also if you look at the angles. The window/roof edge is where the shots originated.  His body was way over to the right. 

....

i don't know what source you got that from.  Looks like the gunman was on the building facing Trump and left of the center of the roof.

BTW, this article contains a video with a lot of good, overlapping footage and images.  Worth taking a look.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-assassination-attempt-investigation-continues-new-details/story?id=112020474

(https://i.imgur.com/4aLVCJc.png)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 20, 2024, 08:17:21 PM
Blow-by-blow account of the events, plus analysis of where several of the shots landed in which order, and which sniper team more likely took out the LONE shooter.   :geekdanc:

One question I had was whether the sniper team on Trump's right had a clear line of sight the the shooter's position, based on the Google Earth map i brought up as well as their behavior when attempting to acquire their target.  Seemed like they couldn't see him clearly. 

If the video is correct (as well as my general impression), the position chosen on the roof basically divided in half number of the snipers capable of immediately neutralizing him.

The answer also supports reports that the shooter was closer to the edge of the roof on his left than he was to the edge on his right -- shown in the diagrams used in this video.

Good info.

https://youtu.be/0GbdQ27cVZg
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 21, 2024, 04:19:56 AM
If there was a police counter sniper team in that window, why didn’t they look over to see the shooter right there to the left?
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: ren on July 21, 2024, 06:33:35 AM
simple explanation to all of this.
Biden get the valedictorian Secret Service agents while Trump got the cosplay ones.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 21, 2024, 07:17:17 AM
simple explanation to all of this.
Biden get the valedictorian Secret Service agents while Trump got the cosplay ones.

I agree.

One thing that keeps playing in my head, though.  When the bullet missed and Trump ducked down behind the podium, the cosplay secret service did their usual "human shield" maneuver.

But one of the cute, soft, and chubby lady agents voice was caught on audio saying:

"What are we doing?"  "Where are we going?"

Strange to me.  These things are part of the "what if's" safety protocol actions that are taken on every event that secret service is on.  They should all know what to do.  And where to go.

It's almost as if they were caught off guard.  Caught off guard?  Nonsense.  Not Secret Service.

Right?........Right? :shake:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Rocky on July 21, 2024, 07:25:00 AM
1)   Crooks scenario
20 yr old with failure to get on rifle team attempts assassination head shot.
Who's to say he wasn't going for center mass and missed ?    :crazy:

2)   Window / Other shooter scenario
Deep state assassin would be an exceptional marksman and would not have missed a head shot.   >:D

3)   Staged scenario
Future President plans for staged assassination for sniper to shoot at his head but only clip his ear ?
20 yr old with failure to get on rifle team makes a precision shot to the ear ?
Other shooter makes a precision shot to the ear ?
   For one, I don't think Trump would condone anyone shooting at his head.
Secondly, a precision shot to a moving target that is a 6cm tall and 1cm wide?  :wacko:

Seriously folks, I'll go with scenario #1 and a SS failure on all 3.

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 21, 2024, 08:57:56 AM
1)   Crooks scenario
20 yr old with failure to get on rifle team attempts assassination head shot.
Who's to say he wasn't going for center mass and missed ?    :crazy:

2)   Window / Other shooter scenario
Deep state assassin would be an exceptional marksman and would not have missed a head shot.   >:D

3)   Staged scenario
Future President plans for staged assassination for sniper to shoot at his head but only clip his ear ?
20 yr old with failure to get on rifle team makes a precision shot to the ear ?
Other shooter makes a precision shot to the ear ?
   For one, I don't think Trump would condone anyone shooting at his head.
Secondly, a precision shot to a moving target that is a 6cm tall and 1cm wide?  :wacko:

Seriously folks, I'll go with scenario #1 and a SS failure on all 3.



I could go with 1 or 2.  However, with either, there is deep state involvement.  Too many coincidences and lapses of security.  Even at its worst, they couldn’t be this incompetent. 
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 21, 2024, 09:02:29 AM
If there was a police counter sniper team in that window, why didn’t they look over to see the shooter right there to the left?

What window?

Picture's worth a thousand words.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 21, 2024, 09:09:20 AM
What window?

Picture's worth a thousand words.

It’s right in the video that you posted.  Looking toward the building complex, to the left of crook’s position.   
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 21, 2024, 09:22:21 AM
It’s right in the video that you posted.  Looking toward the building complex, to the left of crook’s position.

Ground level?

If so, how do you see on top of a roof that you're directly adjacent to?

If there was a police counter sniper team in that window, why didn’t they look over to see the shooter right there to the left?
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Kuleana on July 21, 2024, 10:01:29 AM
The different scenarios offered in this thread essentially comes down to the main question of whether the identified shooter was acting on his own or was a part of a larger conspiracy.

Premise #1 (Crooks acting on his own)
In order for this scenario to be true, the following has to be assumed:
1. Crooks had the motive, means, and opportunity.
2. Crooks had adequate marksmanship training and skills to hit targets beyond at least 100ft.
3. Unless it was a suicide-assassination attempt, Crooks had a plan to arrive, position himself, and escape undetected.

From the latest information about Crooks, there is evidence that he had some motive; had the rudimentary means to undertake an assassination; and definitely an opportunity to shoot Trump.  Regarding Crooks skills to accurately hit targets beyond 100ft, he was at some point a member of a shooting club, but definitely not someone that could be counted on to get a headshot way past beyond 100ft consistently and reliably.  Finally, without a doubt, it was clear that Crooks did not have a plan to arrive, position himself, and escape undetected since there is ample photo and video evidence of Crooks being seen out in the open many times by many people prior to the shots fired at Trump.  At the time of this writing, there is no evidence that Crooks planned to commit suicide after shooting Trump.


Premise #2 (Power Okole / Deep State Involvement)
In order for this scenario to be true, the following has to be assumed:
1. The Power Okole / Deep State had the motive, means, and opportunity.
2. The Power Okole / Deep State have access to trained assassins.
3. Unless the Power Okole / Deep State wanted to get caught, they had plans for deniable culpability.

Assuming the existence of the Power Okole / Deep State, it is very clear from both a domestic and geopolitical perspective that they had motive, endless means, and opportunity to carry out an assassination attempt against Trump.  Likewise, given the resources of the Power Okole / Deep State, it is almost certain that they had access to trained assassins.  Finally, assuming the Power Okole / Deep State did not want their contracted assassin to get caught, having someone like Crooks who somehow miraculously was able to get into shooting position and fire shots all the while being observed by numerous people along with the subpar performance of all personnel that were tasked in protecting Trump and securing the venue's perimeter does provide evidence of deniable culpability.


Current Assessment Pending Further Information
In essence, to accept Crooks acting on his own requires everyone to believe he wanted to walk around the venue's perimeter risking getting apprehended as well as Trump's entire security apparatus ignoring the reports and sighting of Crooks up until Trump's shooting.  In contrast, to accept involvement of the Power Okole / Deep State requires everyone to believe that powerful outside forces do not want Trump to become President and that they are willing to resort to any means since they are capable to assassinate anyone given their money. power, and influence.

In the end, anything is possible pending more information; however, given the failure of the Trump shooting and Biden abruptly withdrawing from the Presidential election suggests to me involvement of the Power Okole / Deep State and them implementing their Plan B that is only now taking shape.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 21, 2024, 10:53:51 AM
Excellent 3D model showing the shooter's position, the paths of the bullets, etc.

Very thorough.

https://youtu.be/-w2lVIJc000
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 21, 2024, 10:59:49 AM
4 shot locations?
this video shows the open window...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaW8MzocIuE
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 21, 2024, 01:28:15 PM
Why wasn't there a sniper posted on top of the "sloped" roof where Crooks fired from?

Local LEOs asked about that, but the feds told them, "We already have a sniper there."


Doh!!
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 21, 2024, 01:36:40 PM
Let the memes begin......


https://youtu.be/Koer4FL3mfg
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 21, 2024, 02:57:54 PM
I agree.

One thing that keeps playing in my head, though.  When the bullet missed and Trump ducked down behind the podium, the cosplay secret service did their usual "human shield" maneuver.

But one of the cute, soft, and chubby lady agents voice was caught on audio saying:

"What are we doing?"  "Where are we going?"

Strange to me.  These things are part of the "what if's" safety protocol actions that are taken on every event that secret service is on.  They should all know what to do.  And where to go.

It's almost as if they were caught off guard.  Caught off guard?  Nonsense.  Not Secret Service.

Right?........Right? :shake:
It took way too long for the human shields to deploy.

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: astroboy on July 21, 2024, 03:00:51 PM
Did Joe get the phone call: "We F'ed Up. He got away".


 https://youtu.be/IeQS_cCL7lY
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 21, 2024, 03:18:26 PM
I agree.

One thing that keeps playing in my head, though.  When the bullet missed and Trump ducked down behind the podium, the cosplay secret service did their usual "human shield" maneuver.

But one of the cute, soft, and chubby lady agents voice was caught on audio saying:

"What are we doing?"  "Where are we going?"

Strange to me.  These things are part of the "what if's" safety protocol actions that are taken on every event that secret service is on.  They should all know what to do.  And where to go.

It's almost as if they were caught off guard.  Caught off guard?  Nonsense.  Not Secret Service.

Right?........Right? :shake:

The story I've heard is the female agent saying, "What are we doing?" isn't part of the regular security detail.  She was an additional security person assigned for the event -- not someone who trained with the security detail.

So, not surprising she was unsure what the team planned to do next.

I can neither confirm nor deny.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 21, 2024, 06:26:29 PM
Ground level?

If so, how do you see on top of a roof that you're directly adjacent to?


Bruh….  Did you even watch the video that YOU posted? 

Forget it.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 21, 2024, 06:56:42 PM
Bruh….  Did you even watch the video that YOU posted? 

Forget it.

Do you want to just insult me, or are you willing to discuss the particulars of your comments?

If you can't explain it, then I understand why you're mad.  But don't take it out on me.

I've posted videos and pictures to illustrate what I'm saying.  Do you need help doing that?

i want to avoid arguing or debating the details if we're not on the same page.  Don't get angry just because I'm asking for clarification.


A man and wife agreed to meet at the escalator at the mall for a lunch date.  Neither had a cell phone (this was before everyone carried a cell).

After wasting their lunch hours and getting angry the other didn't show, they finally called each others' offices.

Him:  "Why didn't you show up?  I waited for 45 minutes!"

Her:  "What do you mean me?  I was there!  You're the one that didn't show!"

Once they calmed down, they finally realized "the mall" could mean one of two different malls.  Both went to the mall they were closer to not realizing the mall could be a different one.

After agreeing to try it again, they made plans the next day.

Once again, the two returned to their offices without eating lunch together.

This time they discovered that they had parked at opposite ends of the mall, and they were waiting at different escalators.  50/50 shot, and they each picked different ones!

So, it's not a given that everything you think you're explaining is 100% perfectly clear and in sync with the other person's understanding. 

If you don't even want to try, then forget it.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 22, 2024, 06:56:59 AM
wow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEaLabBmHsU
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 22, 2024, 07:05:06 AM
wow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEaLabBmHsU

Betty Crocker......LOL!

She does look scrumptious. :rofl:

I'm all for women holding positions that were male dominated.  Got no problem with that. 

But this is how I see it.  Meet the Standard(s).  The Standard(s) do not accommodate you.

And when I surf cross-fit, exercise, and fitness videos, I believe women can do the job.

It looks like the gov't gave President Trump the F Troop of Secret Service.  And on that day the inevitable happened.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 22, 2024, 07:16:34 AM
Betty Crocker......LOL!

She does look scrumptious. :rofl:

I'm all for women holding positions that were male dominated.  Got no problem with that. 

But this is how I see it.  Meet the Standard(s).  The Standard(s) do not accommodate you.

And when I surf cross-fit, exercise, and fitness videos, I believe women can do the job.

It looks like the gov't gave President Trump the F Troop of Secret Service.  And on that day the inevitable happened.

Supposedly there was intel, way ahead, that threat risk for Trump was escalating quickly.  So top assigns the bottom of the barrel, plus the best of the rest?   ???


On another front. Putin is already considering peace talks if Trump is re-elected. 
Wow, which side of the aisle is for peace, strength, and borders? Which is for war, chaos, and invasion?  Kind of nuts
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 22, 2024, 07:19:21 AM
On the note of the theory that Trump planned the whole thing and the shot through the ear from a world class bench rested sniper. 

I think that’s pretty bad ass. Risking death to attempt to save this country? Mean da scoop.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: oldfart on July 22, 2024, 09:01:52 AM
On the note of the theory that Trump planned the whole thing and the shot through the ear from a world class bench rested sniper. 

I think that’s pretty bad ass. Risking death to attempt to save this country? Mean da scoop.
=========
Theories put forth by people that have only shot Glade in the toilet after taking a dump. :rofl:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 22, 2024, 09:05:12 AM
On the note of the theory that Trump planned the whole thing and the shot through the ear from a world class bench rested sniper. 

I think that’s pretty bad ass. Risking death to attempt to save this country? Mean da scoop.

The world class bench rested shooters range must be very close to drive to, so he can practice all the time.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 22, 2024, 12:03:23 PM
click to play:

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: stangzilla on July 22, 2024, 12:38:53 PM
it's all over now
whatcha gonna do when Trumpamania and the 24" pythons run wild on you!!!  :rofl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZQOWBUOlk
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: stangzilla on July 22, 2024, 12:46:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpvtOu3_7kg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6RkmGplp7A
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 22, 2024, 12:54:19 PM
...

Full hearing.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=54152.msg485515#msg485515
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 22, 2024, 01:32:56 PM
If there was a police counter sniper team in that window, why didn’t they look over to see the shooter right there to the left?

in the hearing today (1:36:01).

As I understand it, the Butler County ESU unit was situated on the second floor of the building next to it,
but they didn't have a clear line of sight of the roof -- the angle was too severe.


Does that explain it for you?

 :shaka:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 22, 2024, 02:06:28 PM
in the hearing today (1:36:01).

As I understand it, the Butler County ESU unit was situated on the second floor of the building next to it,
but they didn't have a clear line of sight of the roof -- the angle was too severe.


Does that explain it for you?

 :shaka:


Yes. With the same clarity as, “we didn’t put a counter sniper team on that particular roof because the angle was too severe.  That would be unsafe…”
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 22, 2024, 02:19:40 PM

Yes. With the same clarity as, “we didn’t put a counter sniper team on that particular roof because the angle was too severe.  That would be unsafe…”

Different question entirely.

The SecSvc Director seems to know less about the events that day than ABC News.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 22, 2024, 04:41:12 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9vJlS_uR7d/?igsh=c2Z2eW5ta29oNncx (https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9vJlS_uR7d/?igsh=c2Z2eW5ta29oNncx)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 22, 2024, 06:00:46 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9vJlS_uR7d/?igsh=c2Z2eW5ta29oNncx (https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9vJlS_uR7d/?igsh=c2Z2eW5ta29oNncx)

Finally finished watching the SecSvc Director Hearing/Democrat Gun Control Ad.

As for that building, the answers are going to come out very slowly and from the FBI, not the SecSvc.  She said consistently that building which the shooter used was not identified as within the security perimeter for the SecSvc.  It was the local LEOs' job to secure anything outside the perimeter.

Which, if you think about it for 1/10 of a nanosecond, that makes no sense.  If it's not a place inside the perimeter (not a problem), why is it ANYBODY'S job to secure it? 

A - See that building?  Looks like a problem for Trump.  Direct line of sight, close enough for a good shot, 1 story building, easy enough to climb on.

b - I'm looking at the Secret Service security plan for the rally, and that building is outside of the perimeter they drew.

A - Oh.  Okay.  Never mind.  I didn't realize the feds had already looked at it and deemed it safe.

B - Yep.  Not out job to second guess the feds.  They've done this a helluva lot more than we ever will.

A - Great.  Lunch?  Your turn to buy!

 :geekdanc:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 22, 2024, 06:56:13 PM
whistleblowers now saying that the sniper team that was supposed to be on the roof abandoned their post because "roof too hot"

that's the secret service equivalent of "range too far"
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on July 22, 2024, 11:45:50 PM
whistleblowers now saying that the sniper team that was supposed to be on the roof abandoned their post because "roof too hot"

that's the secret service equivalent of "range too far"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC5PL0XImjw
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: oldfart on July 23, 2024, 07:20:50 AM
The ss director lady just resigned.
No surprise there.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 23, 2024, 08:18:28 AM
It was the slope.  You know, the slope?

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 23, 2024, 09:06:37 AM
Finally finished watching the SecSvc Director Hearing/Democrat Gun Control Ad.

As for that building, the answers are going to come out very slowly and from the FBI, not the SecSvc.  She said consistently that building which the shooter used was not identified as within the security perimeter for the SecSvc.  It was the local LEOs' job to secure anything outside the perimeter.

Which, if you think about it for 1/10 of a nanosecond, that makes no sense.  If it's not a place inside the perimeter (not a problem), why is it ANYBODY'S job to secure it? 

A - See that building?  Looks like a problem for Trump.  Direct line of sight, close enough for a good shot, 1 story building, easy enough to climb on.

b - I'm looking at the Secret Service security plan for the rally, and that building is outside of the perimeter they drew.

A - Oh.  Okay.  Never mind.  I didn't realize the feds had already looked at it and deemed it safe.

B - Yep.  Not out job to second guess the feds.  They've done this a helluva lot more than we ever will.

A - Great.  Lunch?  Your turn to buy!

 :geekdanc:

I wonder if it's SOP for the SS to fully trust local LEO for security and no one is verifying. "Trust, but verify".
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: stangzilla on July 23, 2024, 09:32:30 AM
The ss director lady just resigned.
No surprise there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fx_S5LyYWY
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Chrashd on July 23, 2024, 01:36:13 PM
I haven't read all the posts but so far haven't seen an answer.....how many shell casings were found on the roof with the dead shooter????
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 23, 2024, 03:30:08 PM
I haven't read all the posts but so far haven't seen an answer.....how many shell casings were found on the roof with the dead shooter????

The FORMER Secret Service Director answered that in the hearing yesterday.

"I can't answer that until after the FBI has competed their criminal investigation."

If you have any other questions about that event, just copy and paste the above answer.  it'll be good for about 60 days -- the amount of time she said it'll take for her full investigation report.

Well, i guess it's somebody else's investigation now.

 :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: rpoL98 on July 23, 2024, 06:04:23 PM
The FORMER Secret Service Director answered that in the hearing yesterday.

"I can't answer that until after the FBI has competed their criminal investigation."

If you have any other questions about that event, just copy and paste the above answer.  it'll be good for about 60 days -- the amount of time she said it'll take for her full investigation report.

Well, i guess it's somebody else's investigation now.

 :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
I saw that it was leaked there were 8 shell casings, leaked by two eye witnesses.  posted on arfcom news service.

here's the link to X (tweeter).

https://x.com/SenRonJohnson/status/1815823509714538712 (https://x.com/SenRonJohnson/status/1815823509714538712)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: drck1000 on July 23, 2024, 06:19:02 PM
I saw that it was leaked there were 8 shell casings, leaked by two eye witnesses.  posted on arfcom news service
Say no more!  ;D
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 24, 2024, 01:23:01 PM
"they" are now saying that SS didn't show up for a 9 am meeting with local LEO...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urxCW9HV7dE
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 24, 2024, 01:44:25 PM
Latest inconsistency is that the shooter didn't need a ladder to access the roof.  The AC and other mechanical fixtures on the outside provided plenty of access by climbing them.

Also, according to the former director, any area they identify as a risk (like a roof with a direct line of sight to President Trump) would be mitigated via "overwatch" in one or more of 3 ways:

1.  Barrier (fences, guards, locks, etc.)
2.  Tech (drones, cameras, etc.) and/or
3.  Tactical (sniper)

Obviously, none of those measures, if actually focused on the roof, worked.

Another thing was the method of intercommunication among Secret Service and local/state law enforcement.  Their high-tech solution is to put a liaison from each agency or department in a room together.  If something comes in from the local sheriff's people, they are supposed to relay that to the others who in turn should broadcast to their respective personnel.

Although there are reports being communicated about Crooks as suspicious to the local LEOs, the agents protecting Trump never once got a report of "a suspicious person" in the crowd. 

The Former director kept harping on the word "threat" when asked why Crooks wasn't more closely watched or followed.  She seemed to believe he was never a threat until he started shooting -- that he was merely "suspicious."  Sounds like the bar that identifies a threat is too low, and the actions taken for a "suspicious person" don't treat that person any differently than the rest of the crowd.

Not quotes -- just the feel for what was said:

Q: Why didn't the sniper shoot sooner?
A: He fired as soon as he identified the threat.
Q: Why was he not seen as a threat before he fired?
A: He was only considered suspicious.



it started to sound like the Secret Service considers all Trump Rally Attendees "suspicious", and they don't intend to try and single out one person who's "more suspicious" than everyone else.  Not until they are an active threat do the Secret Service act.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 24, 2024, 02:49:04 PM
FBI director states the rifle might have been not seen when he was walking around due to having a collapsible stock. Will they try to ban these, I mean, lets see what the DNC hates more, collapsible stocks or Trump.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Heavies on July 24, 2024, 03:09:13 PM
FBI director states the rifle might have been not seen when he was walking around due to having a collapsible stock. Will they try to ban these, I mean, lets see what the DNC hates more, collapsible stocks or Trump.


Bet
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 24, 2024, 04:50:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqocVWWjSPg
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 24, 2024, 04:57:49 PM
Latest inconsistency is that the shooter didn't need a ladder to access the roof.  The AC and other mechanical fixtures on the outside provided plenty of access by climbing them.

Also, according to the former director, any area they identify as a risk (like a roof with a direct line of sight to President Trump) would be mitigated via "overwatch" in one or more of 3 ways:

1.  Barrier (fences, guards, locks, etc.)
2.  Tech (drones, cameras, etc.) and/or
3.  Tactical (sniper)

Obviously, none of those measures, if actually focused on the roof, worked.

Another thing was the method of intercommunication among Secret Service and local/state law enforcement.  Their high-tech solution is to put a liaison from each agency or department in a room together.  If something comes in from the local sheriff's people, they are supposed to relay that to the others who in turn should broadcast to their respective personnel.

Although there are reports being communicated about Crooks as suspicious to the local LEOs, the agents protecting Trump never once got a report of "a suspicious person" in the crowd. 

The Former director kept harping on the word "threat" when asked why Crooks wasn't more closely watched or followed.  She seemed to believe he was never a threat until he started shooting -- that he was merely "suspicious."  Sounds like the bar that identifies a threat is too low, and the actions taken for a "suspicious person" don't treat that person any differently than the rest of the crowd.

Not quotes -- just the feel for what was said:

Q: Why didn't the sniper shoot sooner?
A: He fired as soon as he identified the threat.
Q: Why was he not seen as a threat before he fired?
A: He was only considered suspicious.



it started to sound like the Secret Service considers all Trump Rally Attendees "suspicious", and they don't intend to try and single out one person who's "more suspicious" than everyone else.  Not until they are an active threat do the Secret Service act.

Bodycam of local PD and SS on the roof states local PD spotted him 1 hr prior and sent pics to all due to suspicious. 18 minutes prior to Trump going on stage, same PD sniper said he lost sight of him.  At that point, Trump should not have went on stage until visually confirmed no threat.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 24, 2024, 05:32:05 PM
Bodycam of local PD and SS on the roof states local PD spotted him 1 hr prior and sent pics to all due to suspicious. 18 minutes prior to Trump going on stage, same PD sniper said he lost sight of him.  At that point, Trump should not have went on stage until visually confirmed no threat.

Trump was asked whether anyone on his protection detail received ANY communications that a suspicious person, or potential threat, existed prior to him taking the stage.

He said No -- if there had been one, he would have been delayed going on until the situation was secure.

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 24, 2024, 05:44:46 PM
FBI director states the rifle might have been not seen when he was walking around due to having a collapsible stock. Will they try to ban these, I mean, lets see what the DNC hates more, collapsible stocks or Trump.

If you separate the upper and lower receivers, an AR will fit in almost any medium to large size backpack.

I saw a Marine from MCAS bring an AR-15 to HPD for registration in a "book bag" size backpack.  Pretty easy to pull the takedown pin and pivot pin to separate the receivers.  Just as easy to reassemble.

A collapsable stock is irrelevant.

He might have had the gun under his shirt.

He might have had it in a backpack.

He might have hidden it next to the building during all the time he was walking around using his range finder.

Unless they obtain video or photo evidence showing exactly what he did, the FBI saying how he was able to get it onto the roof unseen is 100% speculation.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 25, 2024, 08:03:34 AM
If you separate the upper and lower receivers, an AR will fit in almost any medium to large size backpack.

I saw a Marine from MCAS bring an AR-15 to HPD for registration in a "book bag" size backpack.  Pretty easy to pull the takedown pin and pivot pin to separate the receivers.  Just as easy to reassemble.

A collapsable stock is irrelevant.

He might have had the gun under his shirt.

He might have had it in a backpack.

He might have hidden it next to the building during all the time he was walking around using his range finder.

Unless they obtain video or photo evidence showing exactly what he did, the FBI saying how he was able to get it onto the roof unseen is 100% speculation.

This is correct, what I'm getting at is will this be used to ban collapable stocks?
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 25, 2024, 08:09:46 AM
Trump was asked whether anyone on his protection detail received ANY communications that a suspicious person, or potential threat, existed prior to him taking the stage.

He said No -- if there had been one, he would have been delayed going on until the situation was secure.

The vid shows the pic of the guy on the SS agents phone.  Maybe not everyone had time to check their phones, I mean how often do you see the actual detail on their phones while protecting their principal.  So, it's plausible that he asked the SS next to him and was told no due to the agent not checking his/her phone.

Dan Bongino (retired SS who protected POTUS) went over this and showed the clip.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 25, 2024, 09:10:27 AM
The vid shows the pic of the guy on the SS agents phone.  Maybe not everyone had time to check their phones, I mean how often do you see the actual detail on their phones while protecting their principal.  So, it's plausible that he asked the SS next to him and was told no due to the agent not checking his/her phone.

Dan Bongino (retired SS who protected POTUS) went over this and showed the clip.

if they are using cell phones which have to be taken out and looked at vs. radios with earwigs to stay in constant communication, whoever decided that was a good SOP should be fired immediately.  Why would you require agents to take their eyes off the crowd in order to check their texts?

Guarantee the phones  would be set to vibrate so the noise won't disrupt the event.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 25, 2024, 09:13:43 AM
This is correct, what I'm getting at is will this be used to ban collapable stocks?

No, it's being used to ban "assault weapons."  These "weapons of war" are why politicians aren't safe.  These firearms make the Secret Service's job harder.

If you watch the hearing video, the first few democrats used their time to blame easy access to firearms and no ban on AR-15s and campaign for stricter gun laws.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 25, 2024, 09:39:57 AM
No, it's being used to ban "assault weapons."  These "weapons of war" are why politicians aren't safe.  These firearms make the Secret Service's job harder.

If you watch the hearing video, the first few democrats used their time to blame easy access to firearms and no ban on AR-15s and campaign for stricter gun laws.

IMO, for the FBI director to specifically mention a collapsible stock is BS.  Many AR's have them and they don't collapse that much as 1 can conceal the rifle in a t-shirt and long pants..  This is assuming a SBR wasn't used and a 16 inch barrel was used.  What would make more sense would be if he stated folding stock.

The DNC will use his testimony to try to ban this item.

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 28, 2024, 02:48:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVn_56UcCIc
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on July 29, 2024, 06:47:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXMkDmV-TfA
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: stangzilla on July 29, 2024, 05:31:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l--e2LykRIQ
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: astroboy on July 30, 2024, 09:09:21 PM
Some of you may have seen the music video about "the roof," but if you did not here it is.


https://youtu.be/PYREE41B1bg
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on August 01, 2024, 10:39:25 AM
He was caught on video RUNNING across the roof top in plain view of everyone.

Worst security detail ever


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-video-emerges-shooter-running-across-roof-trump-speaking
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 01, 2024, 10:47:45 AM
He was caught on video RUNNING across the roof top in plain view of everyone.

Worst security detail ever


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-video-emerges-shooter-running-across-roof-trump-speaking

Unless the video comes with a forensic stamp of authenticity, i have to take any video, audio or photographic "evidence" with a grain of salt.

Too easy to create realistic fakes these days.

i'm not saying it's not real.  i'm just saying it might not be.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on August 01, 2024, 10:51:33 AM
Unless the video comes with a forensic stamp of authenticity, i have to take any video, audio or photographic "evidence" with a grain of salt.

Too easy to create realistic fakes these days.

i'm not saying it's not real.  i'm just saying it might not be.

At this point anything that has a forensic stamp of authenticity is probably altered
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 01, 2024, 10:57:04 AM
At this point anything that has a forensic stamp of authenticity is probably altered

Maybe, but at least you have someone you can hold accountable for declaring it unaltered.

"Some guy sharing it on social media" has no clue where the things he shares originated nor if they were altered.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on August 01, 2024, 11:25:19 AM
Maybe, but at least you have someone you can hold accountable for declaring it unaltered.

"Some guy sharing it on social media" has no clue where the things he shares originated nor if they were altered.


Hold accountable? Thanks for the laugh.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

After everything we've been through so far I trust a random guy on social media far more than a government infested with maniacs who have no problem with killing presidents.

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on August 01, 2024, 11:40:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLzO3kW56RQ
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 01, 2024, 11:52:45 AM

Hold accountable? Thanks for the laugh.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

After everything we've been through so far I trust a random guy on social media far more than a government infested with maniacs who have no problem with killing presidents.

I never said government authority.  I said "forensic stamp of authenticity."

Any private individual or company with the technical tools and skills to authenticate digital media can publish the what, how and why of whether the media is unaltered.

Simple example: a watermark.  Digital watermarks on video are used to protect digital video.  It's added during recording by the equipment.  Many media outlets require these watermarks on equipment they issue to videographers to prevent them from selling footage they shot for the company using their cameras.  Since it's added at time of creation, it can be verified with software.  Superimposed watermarks added after shooting the video doesn't pass the test.

if you have a video with metadata showing the file was created 5 days after the event, that's a good indication it's fake as well.  Most video today is created digitally on phones or cameras.  There's no need to render it like you did for analog recordings.  So, even if the file shows a timestamp later than the event because it was copied to a storage device, the metadata would still show when it was created.  If it's altered, the metadata would normally change, too, unless someone tried to go into the file and alter the metadata.    if they didn't use the altered video to fool people, the metadata is probably intact.  So, when others share it as real, it's simple to show it's not.

Many other ways to tell if the media was altered.  It all depends on how much effort the creator puts into concealing that it's fake.  None of the methods i know of can evade every forensic tool.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on August 01, 2024, 12:19:03 PM
I never said government authority.  I said "forensic stamp of authenticity."

Any private individual or company with the technical tools and skills to authenticate digital media can publish the what, how and why of whether the media is unaltered.

Simple example: a watermark.  Digital watermarks on video are used to protect digital video.  It's added during recording by the equipment.  Many media outlets require these watermarks on equipment they issue to videographers to prevent them from selling footage they shot for the company using their cameras.  Since it's added at time of creation, it can be verified with software.  Superimposed watermarks added after shooting the video doesn't pass the test.

if you have a video with metadata showing the file was created 5 days after the event, that's a good indication it's fake as well.  Most video today is created digitally on phones or cameras.  There's no need to render it like you did for analog recordings.  So, even if the file shows a timestamp later than the event because it was copied to a storage device, the metadata would still show when it was created.  If it's altered, the metadata would normally change, too, unless someone tried to go into the file and alter the metadata.    if they didn't use the altered video to fool people, the metadata is probably intact.  So, when others share it as real, it's simple to show it's not.

Many other ways to tell if the media was altered.  It all depends on how much effort the creator puts into concealing that it's fake.  None of the methods i know of can evade every forensic tool.


Gotcha. Is there somewhere that people regularly publish the results?
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 01, 2024, 02:06:58 PM

Gotcha. Is there somewhere that people regularly publish the results?

It's not a public service.  People who created the tools want to get paid, and so do the people who buy and use them.

it's a service often contracted for criminal or civil trials in order to prove or disprove the authenticity of audio or visual evidence.

As a hobbyist, anyone can get some basic tools especially if you have enough experience at the bit and byte level, but unless you have access to the original media, it's tough to authenticate a copy of a copy after it's become part of someone's vlog video and gone through social media upload filters.

For my own sanity, i simply take it all with a grain of salt, especially with AI and deep fake technology doing what it can to trick us.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on August 01, 2024, 06:13:03 PM
It's not a public service.  People who created the tools want to get paid, and so do the people who buy and use them.

it's a service often contracted for criminal or civil trials in order to prove or disprove the authenticity of audio or visual evidence.

As a hobbyist, anyone can get some basic tools especially if you have enough experience at the bit and byte level, but unless you have access to the original media, it's tough to authenticate a copy of a copy after it's become part of someone's vlog video and gone through social media upload filters.

For my own sanity, i simply take it all with a grain of salt, especially with AI and deep fake technology doing what it can to trick us.



Looks like you have no way of verifying the certainty that you demand. Disappointing but not totally unexpected.

However I can provide some certainty using a very simple rule of thumb...

If it makes the government look bad, it's probably true!
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 01, 2024, 08:48:07 PM


Looks like you have no way of verifying the certainty that you demand. Disappointing but not totally unexpected.

However I can provide some certainty using a very simple rule of thumb...

If it makes the government look bad, it's probably true!

The problem is it only takes a couple of fake videos that make the government look bad to ruin your confidence in that theory.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on August 02, 2024, 10:05:08 AM
The problem is it only takes a couple of fake videos that make the government look bad to ruin your confidence in that theory.

Now is a good time to figure out which side you are on if you don't want to end up in an internment camp.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 02, 2024, 11:00:09 AM
Now is a good time to figure out which side you are on if you don't want to end up in an internment camp.

Why?  All the cool kids will be in the camp, too!
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 03, 2024, 03:54:30 PM
Here's what the FBI and Secret Service say they know so far.

What I have seen reported through more than one source is that the Secret Service saw the shooter piggyback among their vehicles to get into the secured area.  One vehicle communicated with others pointing out that a strange person entered with them, yet nobody did a damned thing about it -- not even a simple call to local LE to check the person out.

That's apparently been verified through the slow but critical report of all communications made that day between security personnel.  Yet, it didn't make it into the "timeline" briefed to Congress.

https://youtu.be/W2RfMb68ewg
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: hvybarrels on August 04, 2024, 03:06:10 PM
Why?  All the cool kids will be in the camp, too!

The people who publicly express disappointment that the assassination of Trump was not successful are actually admitting their true desire to murder anyone who disagrees with them.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: ren on August 04, 2024, 03:51:28 PM
The people who publicly express disappointment that the assassination of Trump was not successful are actually admitting their true desire to murder anyone who disagrees with them.

like two members here on this forum....
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: rpoL98 on August 05, 2024, 12:06:55 AM
The people who publicly express disappointment that the assassination of Trump was not successful are actually admitting their true desire to murder anyone who disagrees with them.
(https://i.imgur.com/JKibo5p.jpg)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 06, 2024, 11:52:00 AM
Now the Secret Service admits they did not have an agent in the LE command post before the shooting.  How long before is still a question.

Cheatle testified to Congress the standard method of interagency communication was to let each agency retain their own radio comms while the liaisons in the command post would share those alerts so they can be relayed to all agencies.

Apparently there was one agent in the command post who left for some reason.  There were supposedly 2 other Secret Service agents assigned there, but couldn't get in due to key card problems??  What??  I guess knocking on the door was not an option. 

"My card isn't working."

"My card doesn't work, either."

"Oh, well.  I saw a stand selling coffee and donuts."

"Great!  Maybe we'll get freebies showing our badges."

 :wtf:

Every new detail that comes out just causes more and more questions.

https://youtu.be/vmABskfB1jU
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: zippz on August 28, 2024, 09:35:01 AM
Rifle used in the attempt.  It has a red dot optic and a milspec trigger.  It would've been challenging to get a headshot and rapid followup shots at 150 yards with that setup , unsupported, and under pressure.  Explains why the shooter missed.

(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/08/1862/1046/Trump-Assassination-Attempt-Thomas-Crooks-FBI-Evidence_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 28, 2024, 10:52:22 AM
Assuming he was aiming for Trumps head, if Trump hadn't moved, he would have been on the money.  Impressive from a zero power at 150yrds, under stress, minimal support (no bag rest).
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on August 28, 2024, 11:00:36 AM
or lucky...

Assuming he was aiming for Trumps head, if Trump hadn't moved, he would have been on the money.  Impressive from a zero power at 150yrds, under stress, minimal support (no bag rest).
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2024, 12:07:12 PM
Assuming he was aiming for Trumps head, if Trump hadn't moved, he would have been on the money.  Impressive from a zero power at 150yrds, under stress, minimal support (no bag rest).

Actually, an AR-15 at 150 yards with BUIS would be the same -- no magnification.  If you have good eyesight, it's a makable distance.
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: drck1000 on August 28, 2024, 01:12:50 PM
Assuming he was aiming for Trumps head, if Trump hadn't moved, he would have been on the money.  Impressive from a zero power at 150yrds, under stress, minimal support (no bag rest).
150 yards at target size of your infamous "jabong". . . can do. . . at least I thought that's what you said. . .

I wouldn't say impressive.  Definitely not unrealistic for someone who has some experience.  If "just got the rifle", maybe. . .
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: drck1000 on August 28, 2024, 01:21:04 PM
or lucky...
or maybe if they actually shot once in a while. . . or owned guns. . .

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on August 28, 2024, 01:31:47 PM
or owned scopes or ammo...

or maybe if they actually shot once in a while. . . or owned guns. . .
Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 28, 2024, 02:46:17 PM
150 yards at target size of your infamous "jabong". . . can do. . . at least I thought that's what you said. . .

I wouldn't say impressive.  Definitely not unrealistic for someone who has some experience.  If "just got the rifle", maybe. . .

If his POA was Trumps nose, which it may have been until the head turn.  This is what I mean by impressive. POA/POI.  If he was aiming for the Indian dot, then he would be 1.5 inches low as the top of where the ear attaches is about that far.  IDK if he had time to adjust his RDS brightness either or had it set as "guud enough".  But even then, the sun can change the brightness needed so there's less starburst.

Had he had a magnified optic, then it wouldn't be as impressive, but normal.

There's really no way of knowing though. He could have been aiming center mass instead.  Or like Mac said, lucky.

Title: Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
Post by: macsak on September 04, 2024, 07:12:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-R7zEa3tA