Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 18, 2020, 11:14:02 PM
Remember: Former VP and Senator Joe Biden was up against a field of 26 other Democrats for this nomination. He's the best of the best -- cream of the crop -- champion among champions. This is the most capable man the Democrats could find from a field of 27 people to run against an incumbent president with a YUUUUUGE list of accomplishments -- not the least of which is getting his job done amidst constant attacks and distractions on a daily basis.
https://youtu.be/wLd2suBL0r0
Post by: aieahound on April 19, 2020, 12:13:30 AM
against an incumbent president with a YUUUUUGE list of accomplishments -- not the least of which is getting his job done amidst constant attacks and distractions on a daily basis.
Pre-amble: I voted for Trump and possibly might again.
- Biden is an idiot who can’t string 2 sentences together. Won’t vote for him.
- how do you vote for Trump knowing he’s a flat out liar. Undisputed. You need examples, google it. There’s pages.
(and says things like “just grab ‘em by the pussy” if you have a daughter)
- is the Almighty Dollar (read the economy) the be all and end all?
- Morally how do you do it ?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 19, 2020, 01:10:40 AM
Pre-amble: I voted for Trump and possibly might again.
- Biden is an idiot who can’t string 2 sentences together. Won’t vote for him.
- how do you vote for Trump knowing he’s a flat out liar. Undisputed. You need examples, google it. There’s pages.
(and says things like “just grab ‘em by the pussy” if you have a daughter)
- is the Almighty Dollar (read the economy) the be all and end all?
- Morally how do you do it ?
This is NOT another Trump bashing thread. It'll hopefully become a running collection point for Biden's gaffs and stumbles going forward. I started this because I KNOW FOR A FACT the MSM will avoid and spin the things Biden tries to say. This might be the only place forum members have a chance to see the truth about Biden's fitness to be President.
If you want to critique Trump's morality, please make another thread.
Post by: aieahound on April 19, 2020, 02:46:13 AM
an incumbent president with a YUUUUUGE list of accomplishments -- not the least of which is getting his job done amidst constant attacks and distractions on a daily basis.You brought up that shit.
Again, you can’t answer any direct questions.
What is this a Trump Dick Suck!¥€ thread!
(Which you probably would. Just getting sad. ( for you.)
Could be a Biden Gaff highlight thread which will be HILARIOUS!
I said:
Pre-amble: I voted for Trump and possibly might again.
- Biden is an idiot who can’t string 2 sentences together. Won’t vote for him.
Plus some other shit. :D
Post by: Inspector on April 19, 2020, 05:17:49 AM
Pre-amble: I voted for Trump and possibly might again.Hound,
- Biden is an idiot who can’t string 2 sentences together. Won’t vote for him.
- how do you vote for Trump knowing he’s a flat out liar. Undisputed. You need examples, google it. There’s pages.
(and says things like “just grab ‘em by the pussy” if you have a daughter)
- is the Almighty Dollar (read the economy) the be all and end all?
- Morally how do you do it ?
- How did YOU vote for Trump knowing he is a flat out liar and just grabs women by the pussy? Just curious since you brought it up. :rofl:
- How do justify even thinking for voting for him again based on your statement?
- The economy is not the end all but per most of the polls I have seen it IS the biggest thing people vote for.
- So, morally, how do you do it?
- How do you justify doing it? Let’s face it, you did it. And you ask someone else how they morally do it. So let’s hear the same from you. :rofl:
Post by: new guy on April 19, 2020, 08:37:01 AM
After all the other Democrat Primary and "Biden said what??" topics, I thought we could use a new spot for collecting comments pertaining to Joe Biden's Nomination and the fun things he does and says leading up to the debates.
Remember: Former VP and Senator Joe Biden was up against a field of 26 other Democrats for this nomination. He's the best of the best -- cream of the crop -- champion among champions. This is the most capable man the Democrats could find from a field of 27 people to run against an incumbent president with a YUUUUUGE list of accomplishments -- not the least of which is getting his job done amidst constant attacks and distractions on a daily basis.
https://youtu.be/wLd2suBL0r0
Here's my thoughts:
I'm most concerned about who is selected as Biden's VP, because I'm convinced that, if he is elected, the Democratic Party will either:
1) Do an overt "about face," claim that Biden lacks mental capacity, and have the VP assume office;
Or,
2) Keep Biden in office, surreptitiously have him relinquish control to the VP and serve as a "figure head" only.
In either scenario, he will most certainly be used as a scapegoat, and be used to solidify the VP's future nomination and election.
He will truly embody the definition of a Useful Idiot.
Again, just my thoughts.
Post by: groveler on April 19, 2020, 09:30:30 AM
Patsy Mink, as long as it has a "D" behind it.
Or as Nazi Pelosi points out "a glass of water could get elected if there is a ""D""
behind it."
Watch for the VP choice. That is who will be president.
I have no respect for Democrats and expect only the very worst
of humanity from them, so it is possible that Plugs could be elected
in the present economic environment.
I personally invite as many people as possible to write in Bernie Sanders.
You can't fix stupid and stupid votes as many times as they want.
Stupid counts the votes.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 19, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
Keepin in mind this is a state that elects dead people eg.
Patsy Mink, as long as it has a "D" behind it.
Or as Nazi Pelosi points out "a glass of water could get elected if there is a ""D""
behind it."
Watch for the VP choice. That is who will be president.
I have no respect for Democrats and expect only the very worst
of humanity from them, so it is possible that Plugs could be elected
in the present economic environment.
I personally invite as many people as possible to write in Bernie Sanders.
You can't fix stupid and stupid votes as many times as they want.
Stupid counts the votes.
Nobody can blame Trump for the current economic problems, since he didn't cause the China Virus pandemic.
Having said that, there are anti-Trumpers who will vote for the devil to get Trump out of office out of pure hatred ginned up by the DNC, the media and the deep state.
Trump and Biden both have records of what they can do for the economy, and in that comparison, Trump wins hands down IMO.
The Dems have squandered over a year of having power in the House going after Trump and doing absolutely nothing for the good of the American people. They have taken obstruction to a whole new level, going as far as impeachment with no crimes committed in their articles. Shameful display of partisan insanity in a presidential election year.
Yeah, Trump may be an impeached President, but he will also be the first President ever to be reelected after being impeached. :rofl:
Biden already promised to pick a woman for his running mate. If that goes as smoothly as the Iowa and Nevada primaries did (do we even have a vote count yet?), it'll be another DNC disaster.
Post by: aieahound on April 19, 2020, 10:20:07 AM
Hound,
- How did YOU vote for Trump knowing he is a flat out liar and just grabs women by the pussy? Just curious since you brought it up. :rofl:
Couldn’t believe I did. Even bet my brother $50 Trump couldn’t win. And I still voted for him.
He is a flat out liar and was recorded saying “just grab ‘em by the pussy”
With all that he was still the lesser of two evils, which tells you the state of American politics.
- How do justify even thinking for voting for him again based on your statement?
Again, lesser of 2 evils. Joe Biden...Seriously?! Who’s the other choice ? I’m gonna vote for Ross Perot. Or Mark Cuban.
- The economy is not the end all but per most of the polls I have seen it IS the biggest thing people vote for.
- So, morally, how do you do it?
That’s the question my daughters keep kicking me in the balls with.
- How do you justify doing it? Let’s face it, you did it. And you ask someone else how they morally do it. So let’s hear the same from you. :rofl:
Dance with the Devil if it’s the lesser of two evils.
Above was edited with responses.
Glad to hear all is going well in your new locale Inspector.
. : :stopjack:
the Biden Report: Joe Biden is an Idiot (if anyone didn’t catch that already. But he does sponsor the Crazy Joe Biden Double Barrel O’ Justice. Just shoot it off the balcony :crazy:)
Post by: Inspector on April 19, 2020, 11:59:26 AM
Above was edited with responses.Thanks Hound, things are going better. Still not as well as I would like. My stuff arrives Thursday and I pick my truck up on Friday. That will go a long way towards getting back to normal for me.
Glad to hear all is going well in your new locale Inspector.
. : :stopjack:
the Biden Report: Joe Biden is an Idiot (if anyone didn’t catch that already. But he does sponsor the Crazy Joe Biden Double Barrel O’ Justice. Just shoot it off the balcony :crazy:)
The idea behind behind my asking you the same questions you asked someone else is to point out that we all do and say these things all the time that we don’t want to do or feel necessary to say. For instance, Trump lies. A lot. We all know that. We know that the MSM is lying about his lies and unless you make an effort to try and find the truth for every sentence he says, you will never know how much of the “Documented” lies are in fact not lies by Trump but by the MSM. We also know that every politician from the time of Washington has lied. Nothing new here. If you used that as a basis to not vote for someone there would be no one to vote for. Ever. So the fact that he lies and you still make a conscious effort to vote for him shows that it is not that big of a deal. Hilary might have been worse, but that means lying is not so much a big deal as having blood on her hands. Yeah, it’s not great. I agree. But you are the one to admitting to letting the liar get into office. Lies or not. The other thing I want to point out is the comment about grabbing them by the pussy. We all know he said it. No one but Trump knows if it is true or not. And based on how much you claim he lies, how do you know that his statement was not a lie also? Could have been just as much bragging as anything else. He boasts and brags a lot. That is who he is. Trying to make himself out to be a bigger better man than he truly is. I do not know any guy who has not exaggerated about his prowess with women one way or another. I suspect back in your youth you probably did the same. Don’t take this the wrong way. I am not defending Trump here. This is a problem that he has and he brings on himself. Actions speak louder than words IMHO. If there was any evidence that he actually did just grab ‘em by the pussy he would not have become president. He would have had to bow out before the vote. No question in my mind. So bragging and lying about mostly unimportant things and having the MSM lie about the rest is not a reason to not vote for someone. In the world of politics it is not that big of a deal.
Post by: aieahound on April 19, 2020, 03:38:39 PM
Post by: robtmc on April 19, 2020, 06:39:16 PM
2) Keep Biden in office, surreptitiously have him relinquish control to the VP and serve as a "figure head" only.I have wondered if he is just the democrat selected loser, as Dole, McStain, and Rummy were.
In either scenario, he will most certainly be used as a scapegoat, and be used to solidify the VP's future nomination and election.
No chance, but someone had to lose.
Far as figurehead, Øbowel could be said to have been that, with Lizard woman Jarret pulling the strings per Soros' instructions.
Everyone knew he was a post turtle.
Post by: Inspector on April 20, 2020, 03:27:59 AM
Post by: Rocky on April 20, 2020, 08:03:35 AM
This is just my observation here but it appears to me that Biden has disappeared. He has not been seen much lately. When he does appear he really doesn’t look and sound good. Is he even going to make it to the nominations? Shouldn’t he be seen, even from his home, all day, every day? If I were a candidate I would be putting out video footage constantly all day every day. At this point I’m not sure he is going to make it.I think the real problem will be the debates.
Trump will be chastised for picking on a senile old man. :sleeping:
(http://i.imgur.com/K1EZrGt.jpg) (https://imgur.com/K1EZrGt)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 20, 2020, 10:28:09 AM
This is just my observation here but it appears to me that Biden has disappeared. He has not been seen much lately. When he does appear he really doesn’t look and sound good. Is he even going to make it to the nominations? Shouldn’t he be seen, even from his home, all day, every day? If I were a candidate I would be putting out video footage constantly all day every day. At this point I’m not sure he is going to make it.
The Biden campaign had already implemented a "Where's Biden?" strategy to reduce the sheer volume of gaffs his opponents can use against him.
The lockdown simply played into that strategy perfectly from a public appearance viewpoint. Unfortunately, with everyone else taking advantage of social media and broadcast media from their homes, it highlights the obvious lack of public presence in Biden's case. Not having to travel with Secret Service and an entourage of staffers should mean he's able to redirect those resources to make, as you said, daily appearances.
With the ability to script, record, edit and do retakes, one would think Biden would do more prepared talks on issues and fewer live interviews. He doesn't do well live -- at all.
JOE BIDEN’S STRATEGY TO LIMIT GAFFES: TALK LESS
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/joe-biden-2020-strategy-to-limit-gaffes-talk-less
Post by: Jl808 on April 25, 2020, 07:22:29 AM
https://youtu.be/aA-GoeFGyIc
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 25, 2020, 12:16:40 PM
If the mastermind of 911 thought Biden was incompetent over a decade ago, you have to wonder what his opinion would be now. I imagine Bin Laden would be spending millions on Social Media to promote Sleepy Joe for President! :crazy:
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2020, 02:31:38 PM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 25, 2020, 03:31:30 PM
So Bidens accuser mom called the media back in 93 to do an interview about it. Way diff from kavs accuser, who told no one.
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She's told several people over the years, and she has detailed memories of when and where Biden assaulted her.
Ford not only couldn't get the basic facts straight, but everyone she said could back her story up did the exact opposite -- saying the party she recalled never happened. Even Kavanaugh's calendar from way back then showed he was scheduled to be somewhere else.
The media is ignoring corroborating evidence now just like they ignored exonerating evidence then.
Makes me wish that our free press could understand that such rights and powers demand personal and professional integrity.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 25, 2020, 05:02:33 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on May 01, 2020, 10:53:18 PM
Pre-amble: I voted for Trump and possibly might again.
- Biden is an idiot who can’t string 2 sentences together. Won’t vote for him.
- how do you vote for Trump knowing he’s a flat out liar. Undisputed. You need examples, google it. There’s pages.
(and says things like “just grab ‘em by the pussy” if you have a daughter)
- is the Almighty Dollar (read the economy) the be all and end all?
- Morally how do you do it ?
Biden fumbles his words fairly often and looks pretty foolish but if that is a real disqualifier of Biden then it should disqualify Trump do because he says a number of odd things too.
In 2016 I voted 3rd party and I may do it again. Trump has a few redeeming qualities as president and I am glad he picked supreme court nominees but as he goes on and on he is just too much. I am tempted to vote Democrat if it means removing him but not at all thrilled at Biden as a candidate. But since I live in a state that goes democrat every time I will probably just vote 3rd party and blame the other two sides.
Post by: aieahound on May 30, 2020, 12:14:24 PM
https://youtu.be/2_LEfNFMAys
Post by: Jl808 on May 30, 2020, 12:52:02 PM
https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/biden-im-going-to-beat-joe-biden/
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 30, 2020, 01:39:11 PM
Column: Joe Biden’s inconvenient Democratic truth: ‘You ain’t black.’
Quote
Why did Joe Biden feel the need to offer contrition after his “you ain’t black” comments directed at
black voters who might dare vote for President Donald Trump?
Wasn’t he just telling the Democratic Party’s inconvenient truth on matters of race and identity politics?
The former vice president and presumptive 2020 Democratic presidential candidate did make noises
that sounded like some sort of apology.
He said he was too “cavalier” and acted like a “wiseguy.” But it wasn’t a real apology.
Still, he had to at least make those sounds of contrition, after telling African American voters that if
they don’t support him “then you ain’t black.”
You ain’t black? Yes, it’s racist. But no more racist than Biden using that same ridiculous fake Southern
accent of his to tell black voters that Republican Mitt Romney would enslave them.
“Put y’all back in chains,” Biden said in 2012.
He’s not alone in using accents when talking down to people. Hillary Clinton did the same.
There’s nothing quite like an old white liberal telling black people what to think and how to behave.
But satire here is ill-advised. And irony died years ago.
Many on the left condemned Biden’s remarks. But not all. Some pundits who write exclusively about
race and nothing else seemed to avoid it. And others just reached for another steaming platter of Orange
Man Bad rather than deal with Biden’s “you ain’t black.” It’s natural for humans to avoid pain.
The lesson from all of this is that what came from Biden’s witless lips is the Democratic Party’s most
inconvenient truth:
Minorities must think and vote the way they’re told by the Democratic Party. And if they don’t, they’re
demeaned, ridiculed as traitors to their race or ethnicity or their gender. There is nothing new about this.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-joe-biden-you-aint-black-kass-20200527-whgc2l4m2zhmxay63o3oxcxlji-story.html
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 31, 2020, 12:53:54 PM
Politicians, they say, can be full of hot air.
Quote
In the first week of this hell month, we heard someone flushing a toilet during a live hearing of the
Supreme Court. And now May is ending with a large fart noise.
A livestreamed campaign video chat between presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden and
Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf on Wednesday was briefly muffled by the sound of what appeared to
be a very wet fart.
Biden was asking about what "the human cost" looks like in Pennsylvania if more federal money
doesn't arrive to help with the coronavirus economic recovery when the toot rang out.
He appeared to lean back in his chair at the same time as the noise, while Wolf appeared to blink
and shake his head shortly after.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/joe-biden-fart-noise-tom-wolf
Post by: Jl808 on May 31, 2020, 01:13:14 PM
Post by: dafrtknocker on June 01, 2020, 05:23:49 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-police-training-shoot-em-in-the-leg
Post by: Jl808 on June 05, 2020, 11:21:07 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 06, 2020, 11:25:21 AM
https://twitter.com/obamamalik/status/1268612366133911557?s=21
He's a parody of himself every time he speaks.
One Twitterer posted the unedited version in that conversation. It's really not that much better. He's gotten his panties in a bunch over the video being edited to sound more disjointed, but the inability to complete a sentence or thought, the stutters, the rambling, and the phrases he uses to slow things down so he can formulate his next few words are the same in both clips.
The video even has a Twitter warning for "Manipulated Video". That doesn't mean it's not true -- just edited. You have to decide if it changes the fundamental accuracy of it, or if it's just done to remove the parts that aren't relevant so it's shorter and easier to focus on the video's message.
Post by: ren on June 06, 2020, 11:34:09 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 06, 2020, 11:44:51 AM
don't get the whole "Charlamane Tha God" title.
His real name is "Lenard Larry McKelvey".
Funny -- he doesn't look Scottish nor Irish to me! But then, neither did his father. :wtf:
I stopped trying to understand the whole Hip Hop stage name thought process long ago.
If you look at their given names, there's not much of a contrast! :rofl:
https://www.ranker.com/list/real-names-of-rappers/celebrity-lists
Post by: ren on June 06, 2020, 12:13:20 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 06, 2020, 12:20:47 PM
Refers to himself as Tha God :crazy:
"Fan" is short for "fanatic", and we know that's not meant to describe a sane, logical person.
Many fans of celebrities do appear to worship their preferred entertainers as if they are gods.
Is the name "American Idol" any better?
Post by: ren on June 06, 2020, 12:27:34 PM
"Fan" is short for "fanatic", and we know that's not meant to describe a sane, logical person.
Is the name "American Idol" any better?
American Idol. Surprised the anti Imperialists / Antifa type isnt triggered
Post by: Wchiro on June 06, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
After all the other Democrat Primary and "Biden said what??" topics, I thought we could use a new spot for collecting comments pertaining to Joe Biden's Nomination and the fun things he does and says leading up to the debates.
Remember: Former VP and Senator Joe Biden was up against a field of 26 other Democrats for this nomination. He's the best of the best -- cream of the crop -- champion among champions. This is the most capable man the Democrats could find from a field of 27 people to run against an incumbent president with a YUUUUUGE list of accomplishments -- not the least of which is getting his job done amidst constant attacks and distractions on a daily basis.
https://youtu.be/wLd2suBL0r0
YUUUUUGE list of accomplishments? Hmmmmmm yup he sure did a lot of fondling. :rofl:
Post by: Jl808 on June 26, 2020, 10:48:05 AM
https://youtu.be/v9NYS53lbk8
Post by: groveler on June 26, 2020, 11:13:32 AM
Biden: “120M dead from Covid”Hawaii Democrats will still vote for him.
https://youtu.be/v9NYS53lbk8
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 26, 2020, 01:49:58 PM
120M deaths
----------------------------- = 4,969%
2,414,870 infected
That's a helluva mortality rate!
Obviously, he was saying "million" where it should have been "thousand", but he doesn't have a clue either way. It could be billion, and he still wouldn't understand if that's good, bad or normal.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 30, 2020, 03:08:48 PM
Then lamely tries to laugh it off as a joke.
Jokes are supposed to be funny. Nothing funny about this man being propped up as the next President of the most powerful nation on Earth -- especially when we see how rich he and his family became off of his lifetime of "public service." :wtf:
https://youtu.be/yAHoul4IYMY
Post by: Inspector on July 30, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
He's at it again .... can't remember where he is.The joke is not on him, he IS the joke. :(
Then lamely tries to laugh it off as a joke.
Jokes are supposed to be funny. Nothing funny about this man being propped up as the next President of the most powerful nation on Earth -- especially when we see how rich he and his family became off of his lifetime of "public service." :wtf:
https://youtu.be/yAHoul4IYMY
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 30, 2020, 07:02:30 PM
The joke is not on him, he IS the joke. :(
Someone asked me weeks ago if I'd seen The Joker.
I said, no, I didn't think he was allowed out of his wife's basement yet.
:rofl:
Post by: Inspector on July 31, 2020, 02:54:11 AM
Someone asked me weeks ago if I'd seen The Joker.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I said, no, I didn't think he was allowed out of his wife's basement yet.
:rofl:
I watch every commercial for Biden. And you never actually see him speak. You hear sound bites of him. And once he is supposedly speaking but you can’t tell because he is wearing a mask. I personally think that is a virtue signal. This may be the first case of a presidential candidate running for office where no one knows what he looks like! :rofl:
I think we are going to have a similar situation with Biden at the beginning of his first term that we did with Reagan at the end of his second term. And that is that his wife will be pulling the puppet strings until someone else takes over. Assuming of course that he gets elected. I don’t think that will happen, but one never knows.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 31, 2020, 12:24:33 PM
https://youtu.be/AgRwYu5FDaY
If Biden is elected, you know he'll be taking direction from Hillary, the Obamas, and everyone else with any remaining clout in the Dem party.
I found it interesting that one scenario could be that the DNC officially nominates Biden, then uses his gaffes (Alzheimer's?) as the reason to then give the nomination to a person of the Party's choosing.
In other words, this could be what Hillary was planning all along. No primaries, no campaigning, and no fund raising. Just swoop in, take over Biden's and the Party's campaign war chest, and use that momentum to "right the wrong" done to her when Trump "stole" her crown.
Either that, or she gets to be his running mate. After election, Biden falls down a flight of stairs ...
Post by: groveler on July 31, 2020, 01:17:42 PM
This video contains a clip of Biden in an interview saying "god knows what". Pretty obvious he's not mentally alert enough to be President.As I have said previously Democrats will vote for Dead people just so the Party can pick
https://youtu.be/AgRwYu5FDaY
If Biden is elected, you know he'll be taking direction from Hillary, the Obamas, and everyone else with any remaining clout in the Dem party.
I found it interesting that one scenario could be that the DNC officially nominates Biden, then uses his gaffes (Alzheimer's?) as the reason to then give the nomination to a person of the Party's choosing.
In other words, this could be what Hillary was planning all along. No primaries, no campaigning, and no fund raising. Just swoop in, take over Biden's and the Party's campaign war chest, and use that momentum to "right the wrong" done to her when Trump "stole" her crown.
Either that, or she gets to be his running mate. After election, Biden falls down a flight of stairs ...
a successor. Biden isn't physically dead yet, but is obviously impaired.
I think the guy on the left of the video had the most cogent thoughts,
as he is considering Democrat party rules.
Also left unsaid is pulling off a 25th amendment
replacement is not as easy as everyone thinks it is.
More to it than Cabinet signatures.
Read Section 4.
This isn't a Harrison Ford movie.
The big question I have is who will the Democrat party
select? We all know Democrats will vote for anybody with
a "D" by their name, even if they are dead, demented, or delusional,
but who will the Party pick?
Popcorn and Miller time!
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 31, 2020, 03:43:26 PM
As I have said previously Democrats will vote for Dead people just so the Party can pick
a successor. Biden isn't physically dead yet, but is obviously impaired.
I think the guy on the left of the video had the most cogent thoughts,
as he is considering Democrat party rules.
Also left unsaid is pulling off a 25th amendment
replacement is not as easy as everyone thinks it is.
More to it than Cabinet signatures.
Read Section 4.
This isn't a Harrison Ford movie.
The big question I have is who will the Democrat party
select? We all know Democrats will vote for anybody with
a "D" by their name, even if they are dead, demented, or delusional,
but who will the Party pick?
Popcorn and Miller time!
I think it will not be any of the Dem primary challengers, ESPECIALLY NOT Kamala Harris, who all but called Biden a racist. Warren didn't do well in the primaries, so she's not likely to help Biden's numbers just for having female body parts.
The convention is in 3 weeks unless it's postponed or cancelled. I've heard he'll announce his running mate next week.
He's already painted himself into a corner by promising to pick a woman. He's also promised to pick a woman of color to appoint to the Supreme Court.
Not only does that fly in the face of equality, but it excludes many who are likely more qualified and deserving of the positions. If I'm not mistaken, it's against Federal Law to hire or exclude from hiring anyone based on RACE and GENDER. To announce those as his #1 and #2 criteria, and to have nobody in the Leftist media even bother to mention any problems with his statements tells us all we need to know about the media at large.
I hope the LGBTQXYZ groups jump all over him for limiting his search to WOMEN, when gender is only a social construct and can be chosen at will at any time. If a bio-male can go into a women's restroom because he identifies as a woman, why would he not leave open the prospect of choosing a "woman trapped in a man's body?" Hmmmmm.......
Given his Creepy past, I for one can't wait to see the touchy, feely, gropey Creepy Uncle Joe appearing in public next to his female running mate. He seems to have no control over his hands around women & girls (and sometimes little boys).
Post by: robtmc on July 31, 2020, 07:31:52 PM
why would he not leave open the prospect of choosing a "woman trapped in a man's body?" Hmmmmm.......Big Mike's ears perk up!!
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 08, 2020, 01:56:39 PM
I heard Joe's been studying .....
RINO
(https://i.imgur.com/Q3ikzZo.jpg?2)
ELEPHANT
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Post by: RSN172 on August 11, 2020, 11:01:22 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 11, 2020, 01:28:24 PM
Sleepy Joe has picked Kamala Harris to be his running mate.
I've got $20 that says someone else made the choice.
The last decision he was allowed to make was whether he wanted the chocolate or vanilla flavored Ensure..
Post by: Inspector on August 11, 2020, 02:21:50 PM
I've got $20 that says someone else made the choice.Actually I wouldn’t be surprised if she sucked and fucked her way into the position. She is well known for doing just that. Why would we think any different? :rofl:
The last decision he was allowed to make was whether he wanted the chocolate or vanilla flavored Ensure..
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 11, 2020, 02:23:34 PM
Actually I wouldn’t be surprised if she sucked and fucked her way into the position. She is well known for doing just that. Why would we think any different? :rofl:
She's a perfect fit for Creepy Joe. He can sniff, stroke, fondle and massage her all day long, and she'll just smile and take it!
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 11, 2020, 02:28:00 PM
Harris did very poorly in the primaries, so it's obvious she was not the party's pick for President. She probably has the best chance of becoming President of any VP in history now based on Biden's age and dementia.
Post by: drck1000 on August 11, 2020, 02:31:15 PM
I've got $20 that says someone else made the choice.$20 that Biden doesn’t make any competent decisions. 😳
The last decision he was allowed to make was whether he wanted the chocolate or vanilla flavored Ensure..
Post by: Inspector on August 11, 2020, 03:48:59 PM
Post by: ren on August 11, 2020, 04:11:37 PM
We can probably expect Biden to mistakenly introduce Harris as his wife, his sister or "you know - the thing man!"
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 11, 2020, 04:28:31 PM
Don't underestimate the Harris pick. Smart, strategic thinkers have placed Harris as VP; it obviously wasn't Biden. Times are different from the beginning of the year till now. Pandemic, protests and riots. I think the Dems are purposely maintaining this environment to shape the election in their favor. Our local officials are a good example of this. As we get closer to the election we can expect more doom and gloom from our local leaders...more lockdowns and more restrictions.
We can probably expect Biden to mistakenly introduce Harris as his wife, his sister or "you know - the thing man!"
Obama taught us that race is not the primary factor for being an effective president -- why are we dealing with BLM when that started under his and Biden's administration? If our first Black president didn't fix it, then obviously race is not the key component.
Hillary taught us that having "lady parts" doesn't make one qualified to be president.
You'd think we have learned not to vote for people based on race and/or gender, but that is exactly why Kamala was selected. Joe is another 50-year government employee who is obviously an old, White male. Kamala was picked to "mitigate" that among the anti-White/anti-male voters who believe things will be better when we elect a [fill in the race and gender] President.
Obama was a test, but they can't accept that the test failed. He did little to help "his people". Trump has demonstrably done more for the Black communties.
I have a suspicion the Dems will be pushing the "unofficial" issue, that Kamala can be the first female president if Joe and she win -- either Joe won't serve out his term, or she'll be the incumbent VP, ready to run on the Dem ticket in 2024.
if she is the incumbent, she'll be likely to be the Presidential nominee with little to no challengers. That's a major hurdle to be removed for her to run. Look at Joe. He came into the race late and still won the primaries sort of. Imagine how many fewer candidates would have bothered if he entered the race very early. I'm still asking why he waited, and why he decided to run. Another decision he didn't make for himself?
Lots of assumptions and "what ifs", but I have a feeling the Dems are gaming the election nominations since the issues all work against them -- as usual.
Post by: hvybarrels on August 11, 2020, 05:07:35 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 11, 2020, 05:35:34 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 11, 2020, 06:04:41 PM
Post by: RSN172 on August 11, 2020, 07:13:09 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 11, 2020, 09:59:47 PM
Can't wait for the Presidential and VP national debates to begin.
If Trump loses, it'll be because he felt sorry for Joe and didn't want to appear overly mean.
if he wins, the media will accuse him of just that.
No matter what, the media has already decided who won the upcoming debates. :wacko:
Post by: astroboy on August 14, 2020, 09:59:58 AM
This song is from the 70's, the same era when he entered the senate.
https://youtu.be/i4MGVhVUOq4
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 22, 2020, 01:22:32 PM
plagiarized! :wtf:
https://youtu.be/3FY1l7YMG0g
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 02, 2020, 05:41:14 PM
Joe Biden now says Trump is lying when he says Joe will ban fracking.
I'd almost prefer to think he's lying rather than accept he can't remember what his policy stances are month-to-month.
https://youtu.be/qjkYtGKS5Ow
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 07, 2020, 03:37:19 PM
Now, Trump's team is at it again! The URL https://antifa.com was redirecting to joebiden.com. Since it became a big story, the URL has been updated several times.
From SNOPES:
Quote
In August 2020, the antifa.com URL began redirecting users to joebiden.com, the official campaign website for U.S. Democratic Presidential Candidate Joe Biden.
Since the initial publication of this story, the redirect link continued to change and pointed users to other websites, including kamalaharris.org and the self-described
anarchist website itsgoingdown.org.
As of the time I'm posting this, antifa.com is not working at all. Something tells me the registrar for that domain has been contacted, perhaps by someone associated with the actual (mythical?) ANTIFA group for copyright issues? Who knows.
Anyway, it's obvious that presidential candidates better set aside a budget for IT to register every available domain name that might be used against them. :geekdanc:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 09, 2020, 12:47:55 AM
I mean, it SOUNDS like English, but I haven't heard anything this garbled since pledge night at Sigma Nu fraternity!
https://youtu.be/Cstjpr-UWrg
Post by: QUIETShooter on September 09, 2020, 06:29:42 AM
Anybody want to take a stab at translating this?
I mean, it SOUNDS like English, but I haven't heard anything this garbled since pledge night at Sigma Nu fraternity!
https://youtu.be/Cstjpr-UWrg
I agree. Seems like the brain cannot connect to his mouth. Or the other way around, either way there seems to be a loose connection there.
Every time he speaks I look closely at his face and it seems he's wondering "is today tomorrow?....."
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 09, 2020, 11:29:48 AM
Every time he speaks I look closely at his face and it seems he's wondering "is today tomorrow?....."
To me, it's more like he's reading a Chinese Menu, combining items from columns A, B and C with no clue if they belong together.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 09, 2020, 04:07:18 PM
Post by: macsak on September 09, 2020, 07:56:33 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 09, 2020, 08:02:36 PM
"Yes. Absolutely!"
https://youtu.be/V1JviocmFt4
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 14, 2020, 11:39:49 PM
"It's just the beginning if we get re-elected."
:wacko: :wtf:
https://youtu.be/cfaGO03oUq0
Post by: robtmc on September 15, 2020, 11:40:03 AM
Joe thinks he and Obama are running for RE-ELECTION!Recycling the demented old fool's speeches?
Post by: robtmc on September 15, 2020, 11:42:12 AM
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-3/biden-is-so-busted/ (https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-3/biden-is-so-busted/)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 15, 2020, 12:23:08 PM
Recycling the demented old fool's speeches?
He apparently recycled ("plagiarized") his old speeches at his DNC nomination acceptance.
Typical of dementia patients. Can't remember what, if anything, they had for breakfast that day, but can recall in great detail events from their teens and 20s.
Post by: hvybarrels on September 15, 2020, 01:56:05 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/kamala-harris-accidentally-touts-plan-under-harris-administration/
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 15, 2020, 06:22:56 PM
Freudian slip... its actually the Harris administration thank you very much.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/kamala-harris-accidentally-touts-plan-under-harris-administration/
And on the same day, Biden called it the "Harris-Biden Administration."
He's just an Avatar, and Harris is the "driver".
https://youtu.be/4egHrx6O3fM
Post by: QUIETShooter on September 15, 2020, 07:04:56 PM
If he can remember........ ;)
Post by: macsak on September 15, 2020, 07:41:15 PM
Post by: macsak on September 15, 2020, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 15, 2020, 10:31:34 PM
It's hard to believe how many lies the Biden campaign has put out about Trump, the COVID-19 response, Climate Change, and racism. I remember the day Biden announced he was running, he used the 100% debunked, "He called Nazis fine people," lie. Nothing has changed since.
Trump helped Israel, Bahrain and UAE sign agreements today that will hopefully become the beginning of a new era in Middle Eastern politics. One in which every Arab nation no longer calls for the destruction of Israel.
That's something every Liberal for the last 50 years said that wanted. Now that Trump is doing it, the Left is calling it "a distraction". A distraction from WHAT? I don't think Trump is hiding much, so there's no need to "distract". Maybe she meant he's distracting the voters from the Left's Trump-bashing with all this good news?
https://youtu.be/gK8W3eNLhfQ
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 16, 2020, 02:48:55 AM
At this point, about all anyone can do is chuckle.
https://youtu.be/sExGofYTfuI
Post by: robtmc on September 16, 2020, 11:16:49 AM
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=%22Joe%27s+Teleprompter%22&&view=detail&mid=E529E203C9504B6DCCDCE529E203C9504B6DCCDC&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3D%2522Joe%2527s%2BTeleprompter%2522%26FORM%3DHDRSC3 (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=%22Joe%27s+Teleprompter%22&&view=detail&mid=E529E203C9504B6DCCDCE529E203C9504B6DCCDC&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3D%2522Joe%2527s%2BTeleprompter%2522%26FORM%3DHDRSC3)
Post by: ren on September 16, 2020, 11:37:10 AM
Joe's teleprompter. As anyone with above dime intelligence knows, Biden has to have a teleprompter for any coherent attempt at speech.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=%22Joe%27s+Teleprompter%22&&view=detail&mid=E529E203C9504B6DCCDCE529E203C9504B6DCCDC&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3D%2522Joe%2527s%2BTeleprompter%2522%26FORM%3DHDRSC3 (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=%22Joe%27s+Teleprompter%22&&view=detail&mid=E529E203C9504B6DCCDCE529E203C9504B6DCCDC&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3D%2522Joe%2527s%2BTeleprompter%2522%26FORM%3DHDRSC3)
his caretakers deleted it :grrr:
Post by: ren on September 16, 2020, 02:04:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzBFR2EE8hM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 16, 2020, 02:20:30 PM
the finest Vice President
Obama surprises Biden ..... with pretty much everything he did!
It was like playing Pee-Ka-Boo with a toddler. :geekdanc:
Post by: hvybarrels on September 16, 2020, 08:23:39 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 17, 2020, 01:35:36 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 17, 2020, 01:36:39 AM
https://youtu.be/2HqKUBH4mGQ
Post by: Antithesis on September 17, 2020, 10:45:49 PM
https://9gag.com/gag/a0NXbEB#comment
And he plagerized his way through most of it:
https://youtu.be/yj2ph2LM4N8
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 18, 2020, 02:14:52 AM
He started the event acting like he's getting down to the song "Despocito."
Nobody told Sleepy Joe that Despocito means "Slowly". They probably also failed to tell him that the song is very sexually suggestive -- although Creepy Joe (his alter ego) may have already been aware of that. :shake: After the Cardi B interview, maybe Joe's just letting us all in on his musical tastes?
Another failed attempt by the Harris-Biden campaign. :rofl:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4906671/user-clip-joe-biden-phones
https://youtu.be/YH6sqstkSM8
Post by: ren on September 19, 2020, 03:07:03 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 19, 2020, 03:14:37 PM
any local Biden ralliers? Biden boat parade? caravans? Convoys?
Waste of time in terms of resources.
HI is a staunch (D) stronghold. We'll get commercials and Internet ads, but the battleground and tight-race (D) states are going to get the grassroots style events.
If Trump gets close to winning HI's 4 electoral votes, maybe that's a signal things are turning around here.
That's a YUUUUUGE "if". We've had politicians here change parties because "Orange Man Bad."
Biden's for free college for everyone, Medicaid for all, super high taxes, and the Green New Socialist Deal. Hawaii voters love that stuff, even if there's no way to ever pay for it.
Post by: ren on September 19, 2020, 03:20:11 PM
Waste of time in terms of resources.
HI is a staunch (D) stronghold. We'll get commercials and Internet ads, but the battleground and tight-race (D) states are going to get the grassroots style events.
If Trump gets close to winning HI's 4 electoral votes, maybe that's a signal things are turning around here.
That's a YUUUUUGE "if". We've had politicians here change parties because "Orange Man Bad."
Biden's for free college for everyone, Medicaid for all, super high taxes, and the Green New Socialist Deal. Hawaii voters love that stuff, even if there's no way to ever pay for it.
Dem dumb leaders can pay for it especially Mayor Caldwell. He makes well above the average Hawaii citizen. And LG Green thinks he can write a prescription for everything like he is the Wizard of Oz.
Post by: zippz on September 20, 2020, 12:44:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/nvdeHlu.jpg)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 20, 2020, 01:07:16 PM
He says the facts and data back him up (for which he has no citations).
That was at the Joe Biden - CNN
Trump exaggerates the size of a crowd in 2017, and it's front page news for weeks.
Biden accuses the President of the United States of murdering over 200,000 US citizens, and it barely gets more than a one day "fact check" paragraph,
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 20, 2020, 01:38:01 PM
"'No Malarkey' Check".
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: robtmc on September 20, 2020, 03:03:24 PM
Biden Predicts 2/3rds of U.S. Population Will Die Today,
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/biden-says-200-million-people-will-die-covid-end-speech-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/biden-says-200-million-people-will-die-covid-end-speech-video/)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 20, 2020, 03:23:43 PM
Senile old coot says 200 million will die.
Biden Predicts 2/3rds of U.S. Population Will Die Today,
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/biden-says-200-million-people-will-die-covid-end-speech-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/biden-says-200-million-people-will-die-covid-end-speech-video/)
I'm starting to think all the times he said, "If you don't like what you see, then you should vote for the other Biden," made more sense than anything else he's ever said.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 24, 2020, 02:02:09 PM
Isn't "word salad" a common sign of having a stroke? I know he's been treated for that before.
https://youtu.be/ADDrSvNyqEY
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 24, 2020, 06:10:01 PM
Post by: ren on September 25, 2020, 02:00:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6cJO1ioopQ
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 26, 2020, 01:29:00 PM
https://youtu.be/73KDtznNrC8
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 26, 2020, 01:30:32 PM
https://youtu.be/WQ8wICtwDBk
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 04, 2020, 08:33:16 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 08, 2020, 11:38:06 PM
https://www.miamidadedems.org/joe-biden-accomplishments-list
You know what word you don't find anywhere in that list?
"Result". When you list accomplishments, they usually include the results of the person's actions. Even if the word is not used, there are other words, like directly, responsible, produced, ... Nada!!
For example, "EEF selflessly volunteered to become the Membership Drive director for 2020. His use of social media and newsletters were directly responsible for doubling the membership roles of the group in just 12 months."
As opposed to, "EEF became the Membership Drive director in January 2020. He created events and groups on Facebook and spent hours on Twitter. He also posted event photos on Instagram."
The few things that were significant, like "oversaw the confirmation of Ruth Bader Ginsburg as the second woman in the history of the Supreme Court in 1993" was his JOB!! She wasn't about to be rejected. Ginsburg was confirmed by the Senate in a 96 to 3 vote. Wow, Joe! Such an accomplishment!! :rofl: :rofl:
The whole list reads like this. He was never the idea man -- never the risk taker. He was given committee positions as time went on based on seniority, and that required more time leading the committees and not just following the party. Again, he was just doing his job.
There's a reason few sitting Senators have ever been elected as President. Being in that body in no way teaches you how to be a Chief Executive.
The three sitting senators who were elected to the White House were Republican Warren G. Harding of Ohio in 1920, Democrat John F. Kennedy of Massachusetts in 1960, and Barack Obama of Illinois in 2008. Senators John McCain and John Kerry were nominated by their parties, but neither won.
There were 16 presidents in total who were Senators at some point in their careers, but none with senate careers that could be called noteworthy.
Historically, the US Senate has not produced the best candidates for President. More Governors have won the Presidency, because running a state provides close to the same experience needed to run the country, with obvious exceptions like National Security and Foreign Affairs. Since the President works closely with all governors, it's beneficial if he knows that job. Trump has business and CEO experience. I've seen a few examples of him needing time to get caught up on the particulars of certain parts of the job, but overall, he impresses me as being much more capable than Sleepy "Turn in your Assault Rifles" Joe.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2020, 12:21:57 AM
https://youtu.be/PVArMkO-zCI
Post by: Inspector on October 09, 2020, 03:19:57 AM
On top of all of this, if you can’t see he is losing his faculties and won’t be able to do his job at this time or in the future, well the Democrats and their party think you are an idiot for believing the jokes they are telling about old Joe. They are laughing at you all the way to the bank. Remember, they are the corrupt, lying hypocritical elitists and filthy rich they say you should hate. Including old Joe. They are guilty of all the things that they espouse about Trump and his family. They will all become richer for your vote. And if you cannot see that, then you have drank their kool-aid and you are the idiots and jokes that they are making you out to be. This is not my opinion, it is theirs.
BTW, I wrote this post solely to troll some of the posters here. Let’s see what happens....
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2020, 04:01:13 AM
For any of you that intend to vote for Biden, you are idiots. That’s not what I think because personally I don’t care. It’s what the Democrats and their party think of you. The audacity of the Democrat party to put forth such a bumbling, corrupt, lying racist and then lie to defend him is their way of saying we know he is all of this, and if we keep lying about Trump, and if we keep pounding on you with all these Biden and Trump lies you will eventually believe us because you are an idiot. It worked with Hitler and the German people in the 30’s and it is working with you as well. Everything posted in this thread about Biden is true. And if you honestly think of another 4-8 years of bumbling, gaffe prone, lies, racism and corruption for the last 40 is better than 4 more years of Trump then you must agree with the Democrats and their party. You are an idiot.
On top of all of this, if you can’t see he is losing his faculties and won’t be able to do his job at this time or in the future, well the Democrats and their party think you are an idiot for believing the jokes they are telling about old Joe. They are laughing at you all the way to the bank. Remember, they are the corrupt, lying hypocritical elitists and filthy rich they say you should hate. Including old Joe. They are guilty of all the things that they espouse about Trump and his family. They will all become richer for your vote. And if you cannot see that, then you have drank their kool-aid and you are the idiots and jokes that they are making you out to be. This is not my opinion, it is theirs.
BTW, I wrote this post solely to troll some of the posters here. Let’s see what happens....
The fact that Pelosi is talking about using the 25th Amendment to throw Trump out of office THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION tells us that she thinks Biden is going to lose. If not, why even bring it up?
Maybe she's still pissed about that failed impeachment thing .... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 09, 2020, 06:25:20 AM
Think about RESULTS and what the candidate believes what needs to be done to move the country forward for the benefit for all.
Results matter. Don't vote on emotion. You don't have to like or love the candidate. He/She just needs to do the job. That's all.
Nancy Peelau see must be an emotional wreck by now.....
Post by: omnigun on October 09, 2020, 08:34:15 AM
For any of you that intend to vote for Biden, you are idiots. That’s not what I think because personally I don’t care. It’s what the Democrats and their party think of you. The audacity of the Democrat party to put forth such a bumbling, corrupt, lying racist and then lie to defend him is their way of saying we know he is all of this, and if we keep lying about Trump, and if we keep pounding on you with all these Biden and Trump lies you will eventually believe us because you are an idiot. It worked with Hitler and the German people in the 30’s and it is working with you as well. Everything posted in this thread about Biden is true. And if you honestly think of another 4-8 years of bumbling, gaffe prone, lies, racism and corruption for the last 40 is better than 4 more years of Trump then you must agree with the Democrats and their party. You are an idiot.
On top of all of this, if you can’t see he is losing his faculties and won’t be able to do his job at this time or in the future, well the Democrats and their party think you are an idiot for believing the jokes they are telling about old Joe. They are laughing at you all the way to the bank. Remember, they are the corrupt, lying hypocritical elitists and filthy rich they say you should hate. Including old Joe. They are guilty of all the things that they espouse about Trump and his family. They will all become richer for your vote. And if you cannot see that, then you have drank their kool-aid and you are the idiots and jokes that they are making you out to be. This is not my opinion, it is theirs.
BTW, I wrote this post solely to troll some of the posters here. Let’s see what happens....
Even if everything posted in this thread is true, Everything missing in this thread about how horrible trump is also true. They are both horrible. Pick the one that is less horrible is my goal. I think trump is worse. They will both do harm in corruption, both will get rich, all the same shit. Only difference is one believes in abortion, science and climate change. And that so far is winning me over. I am exploring the possibility of voting for libertarian but that's the same as a no vote.
Post by: Inspector on October 09, 2020, 09:54:06 AM
Even if everything posted in this thread is true, Everything missing in this thread about how horrible trump is also true. They are both horrible. Pick the one that is less horrible is my goal. I think trump is worse. They will both do harm in corruption, both will get rich, all the same shit. Only difference is one believes in abortion, science and climate change. And that so far is winning me over. I am exploring the possibility of voting for libertarian but that's the same as a no vote.BINGO!!! I set the trap and you fell for it! I stated at the very end of my post that I trolled you on purpose. This post was designed to see if you really read and comprehend EVERYTHING that I wrote. Obviously you don’t because no one should respond directly to a trolling post. Guess you never heard the term “Don’t Feed The Troll”. Either that or your emotions got the best of you. My guess is your emotions got the best of you.
Most of what you wrote here is wholly untrue and can be easily disproven. I’ll leave that up to Flapp or someone else if they want to make you look like a fool for not telling the truth here. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on October 09, 2020, 10:43:42 AM
BINGO!!! I set the trap and you fell for it! I stated at the very end of my post that I trolled you on purpose. This post was designed to see if you really read and comprehend EVERYTHING that I wrote. Obviously you don’t because no one should respond directly to a trolling post. Guess you never heard the term “Don’t Feed The Troll”. Either that or your emotions got the best of you. My guess is your emotions got the best of you.It’s Friday. Have one more Telcon, then some kind of alcohol time. ;D
Most of what you wrote here is wholly untrue and can be easily disproven. I’ll leave that up to Flapp or someone else if they want to make you look like a fool for not telling the truth here. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: omnigun on October 09, 2020, 11:20:24 AM
BINGO!!! I set the trap and you fell for it! I stated at the very end of my post that I trolled you on purpose. This post was designed to see if you really read and comprehend EVERYTHING that I wrote. Obviously you don’t because no one should respond directly to a trolling post. Guess you never heard the term “Don’t Feed The Troll”. Either that or your emotions got the best of you. My guess is your emotions got the best of you.
Most of what you wrote here is wholly untrue and can be easily disproven. I’ll leave that up to Flapp or someone else if they want to make you look like a fool for not telling the truth here. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I read that, but didn't care :D I don't ghost people not even trolls. If its directed to me in any way I do my best to respond.
Post by: Inspector on October 09, 2020, 11:48:05 AM
I read that, but didn't care :D I don't ghost people not even trolls. If its directed to me in any way I do my best to respond.Did it have your name on it? NO IT DID NOT. Then it wasn’t directed to you. It was only directed to idiots who would answer a troll post. :rofl:
Post by: Inspector on October 09, 2020, 11:57:22 AM
It’s Friday. Have one more Telcon, then some kind of alcohol time. ;DThanks for the reminder that it is time to restock the frig......
Can’t drink until after dinner tonight cuz I’m taking Mrs. Inspector out to dinner to celebrate her being discharged from the wound care center. She has been going 2 times a week for the last 16 weeks. She is slowing down with her OT and now she has 2 cataract surgeries coming up near the end of this month. Hopefully by late November she won’t have any regular appointments every week.
Post by: Inspector on October 09, 2020, 12:00:02 PM
The fact that Pelosi is talking about using the 25th Amendment to throw Trump out of office THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION tells us that she thinks Biden is going to lose. If not, why even bring it up?Now I am hearing that she is talking about it so she can remove Joe after he is elected. I think she is trying to save face from the debacle that implies she knows Biden is going to lose due to what you posted. But if that is true then what are the implications if she wants to use it on Biden? :rofl:
Maybe she's still pissed about that failed impeachment thing .... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on October 09, 2020, 12:02:49 PM
Thanks for the reminder that it is time to restock the frig......Nice! My dad was going to W/C and they do some awesome work. Have a nice dinner! :geekdanc:
Can’t drink until after dinner tonight cuz I’m taking Mrs. Inspector out to dinner to celebrate her being discharged from the wound care center. She has been going 2 times a week for the last 16 weeks. She is slowing down with her OT and now she has 2 cataract surgeries coming up near the end of this month. Hopefully by late November she won’t have any regular appointments every week.
Post by: Inspector on October 09, 2020, 12:03:59 PM
That's why I think people should think more seriously when voting for who will lead the country for the next 4 years.I agree whole heartedly. Trump unquestionably has produced results greater than any president I can think of in recent history. Voting on emotion only gets you embarrassing videos on YouTube. :rofl:
Think about RESULTS and what the candidate believes what needs to be done to move the country forward for the benefit for all.
Results matter. Don't vote on emotion. You don't have to like or love the candidate. He/She just needs to do the job. That's all.
Nancy Peelau see must be an emotional wreck by now.....
Post by: ren on October 09, 2020, 12:04:12 PM
The fact that Pelosi is talking about using the 25th Amendment to throw Trump out of office THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION tells us that she thinks Biden is going to lose. If not, why even bring it up?
Maybe she's still pissed about that failed impeachment thing .... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I think that Joe Biden might have a chance as there are going to be a lot of dumb people voting for a dumb person.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2020, 12:04:25 PM
BINGO!!! I set the trap and you fell for it! I stated at the very end of my post that I trolled you on purpose. This post was designed to see if you really read and comprehend EVERYTHING that I wrote. Obviously you don’t because no one should respond directly to a trolling post. Guess you never heard the term “Don’t Feed The Troll”. Either that or your emotions got the best of you. My guess is your emotions got the best of you.
Most of what you wrote here is wholly untrue and can be easily disproven. I’ll leave that up to Flapp or someone else if they want to make you look like a fool for not telling the truth here. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I'm pretty much done trying to use facts on this fool. "Never try to teach a pig how to sing. It wastes your time, and annoys the pig."
He's incapable of having a discussion, because he's all about "muh feelings." He has yet to explain WHAT Trump has done in less than four years that's bad for the nation -- more so than Biden over 47 years -- other than "COVID IS THE PLAGUE!" The MSM efforts to induce abject terror in the sheeple of the country has succeeded on him as well as anyone else who thinks Biden would have done anything differently AND that those actions would have magically stopped the most contagious strain of flu we've seen in half a century. Biden was AGAINST stopping travel from China. Pelosi was on TV in March telling people to go to Chinatown in San Fran. These same people are lying about how they all knew in Jan that the Wuhan Flu was a Pandemic before it was a pandemic. :crazy: :crazy:
The hatred of Trump prevents facts from infiltrating their thoughts.
As long as the bulk of mass media confirms his bias against Trump, arguing is futile.
Post by: ren on October 09, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
I'm pretty much done trying to use facts on this fool. "Never try to teach a pig how to sing. It wastes your time, and annoys the pig."
He's incapable of having a discussion, because he's all about "muh feelings." He has yet to explain WHAT Trump has done in less than four years that's bad for the nation -- more so than Biden over 47 years -- other than "COVID IS THE PLAGUE!" The MSM efforts to induce abject terror in the sheeple of the country has succeeded on him as well as anyone else who thinks Biden would have done anything differently AND that those actions would have magically stopped the most contagious strain of flu we've seen in half a century. Biden was AGAINST stopping travel from China. Pelosi was on TV in March telling people to go to Chinatown in San Fran. These same people are lying about how they all knew in Jan that the Wuhan Flu was a Pandemic before it was a pandemic. :crazy: :crazy:
The hatred of Trump prevents facts from infiltrating their thoughts.
As long as the bulk of mass media confirms his bias against Trump, arguing is futile.
that is why I'm afraid that Biden may win
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2020, 12:10:12 PM
I think that Joe Biden might have a chance as there are going to be a lot of dumb people voting for a dumb person.
Saw a report that a study now show that as much as 20% of voters answering polls are lying when they say they support Biden. They do it for a variety of reasons, including their desire to not start fights at home with family members. Divorces have actually been reported over disagreements on politics, so that's reasonable. One story I saw was about a guy doing the polling asked why the woman was whispering. She was afraid her NEIGHBOR might hear her. She said loudly she was voting for Biden for her neighbor's benefit, then whispered that she like what Trump was doing and planned to vote for him again.
The Dems are terrified Trump will win. it's why they had a sham impeachment why they keep investigating his administration non-stop, and why they now want to raise the issue of the 25th amendment. They promised to "resist the illegitimate president", and they can't stop -- even when they've tried to convince everyone Biden is 20 thousand points ahead in the polls.
According to the pols from 2016, Trump lost to a Clinton landslide -- until the votes were counted.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2020, 12:13:56 PM
that is why I'm afraid that Biden may win
I just take solace in the fact that Hildabeast was also ahead in the polling --- until she became the first major party Presidential candidate in modern history to not give a concession speech the night she lost.
Who won't accept the results of the election? The Dems have spent 4 years denying Trump won! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(https://i.imgur.com/dnAfRLy.jpg)
Post by: drck1000 on October 09, 2020, 12:41:02 PM
I just take solace in the fact that Hildabeast was also ahead in the polling --- until she became the first major party Presidential candidate in modern history to not give a concession speech the night she lost.NPR again this morning about Biden up in the polls, etc. They even had a bunch of “experts” on talking about how they plan to transition when Trump loses. They way they were talking was pretty 🙄. I say not grounded in reality, but expected when you’re talking to one of Biden’s campaign managers.
Who won't accept the results of the election? The Dems have spent 4 years denying Trump won! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2020, 01:37:28 PM
https://youtu.be/l1b0LC60MIM
Post by: omnigun on October 09, 2020, 01:49:39 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2020, 01:54:35 PM
Had a whole lunch hour to think. I realize I am going to vote 3rd party. Some people made some good points. Still think trump is shit so I wont vote for him. But since my vote in hawaii is auto biden, I can safely just vote libertarian and it wont be a vote for trump either.
So, you're voting out of a purely emotional position, unburdened by policies, past performance and future promises.
You could have just said that 2 weeks ago and prevented the slaughter of billions of electrons.
Post by: omnigun on October 09, 2020, 02:05:09 PM
So, you're voting out of a purely emotional position, unburdened by policies, past performance and future promises.
You could have just said that 2 weeks ago and prevented the slaughter of billions of electrons.
No I am voting against the polices/lack of by trump and his actions. In my mind the only alternative is Biden (which technically is). But I think I can still vote 3rd party comfortably because they actually cover more of my views than Biden. Its a better alternative. Don't agree with all but so far from my research she does enough.
https://jo20.com/issues/
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2020, 02:07:19 PM
No I am voting against the polices/lack of by trump and his actions. In my mind the only alternative is Biden (which technically is). But I think I can still vote 3rd party comfortably because they actually cover more of my views than Biden. Its a better alternative. Don't agree with all but so far from my research she does enough.
https://jo20.com/issues/
There's only one thing worse than voting against a candidate, and that's knowing the alternative is worse and allowing others to elect him. An unelectable 3rd party candidate is not an alternative, just like saying you prefer to live on Mars over Venus. Neither is a viable option.
If you can't back your vote with positive reasons, then you're just lazy and/or intellectually dishonest.
Post by: Brystont1 on October 09, 2020, 02:28:39 PM
Had a whole lunch hour to think. I realize I am going to vote 3rd party. Some people made some good points. Still think trump is shit so I wont vote for him. But since my vote in hawaii is auto biden, I can safely just vote libertarian and it wont be a vote for trump either.
Hey OG I got a question real quick. You said earlier you supported Biden over Trump because you were banking on a republican senate and/or house to remain in power. Also you said that Biden supports science, abortion, freedom etc. are you implying that the republicans support the things you support? If not why do you want them in power over the democrats? If yes, how can you say Trump is against your policies if the Republican Party is basically owned by Trump?
Glad to hear you’ll be voting 3rd party though. I have a lot of respect for people who vote 3rd party even though they know it’s probably futile.
Post by: Inspector on October 09, 2020, 02:33:21 PM
Had a whole lunch hour to think. I realize I am going to vote 3rd party. Some people made some good points. Still think trump is shit so I wont vote for him. But since my vote in hawaii is auto biden, I can safely just vote libertarian and it wont be a vote for trump either.After being a registered Republican for many years, then a Democrat for a few, then a Libertarian/Independent for the rest of my years, I finally came to the realization that voting for a candidate that can’t possibly win is throwing away and wasting a vote. I look at it as a cop out as I am not willing to take a stand for a candidate that has a chance to win because I thought both of them were terrible candidates. I just wasted my time and my vote.
And you say you came to this conclusion after an hour? :rofl:
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 09, 2020, 03:02:16 PM
The world is getting more and more messed up. The candidates are all messed up. There is no magical knight in shining armor.
We just have to look at the results these candidates have produced. Weigh that against what you feel is the best for you as a US citizen and what you believe is best for the country as a whole, the way you would want it to be.
Then vote. Don't vote on emotion. Vote on past results.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2020, 03:10:27 PM
After being a registered Republican for many years, then a Democrat for a few, then a Libertarian/Independent for the rest of my years, I finally came to the realization that voting for a candidate that can’t possibly win is throwing away and wasting a vote. I look at it as a cop out as I am not willing to take a stand for a candidate that has a chance to win because I thought both of them were terrible candidates. I just wasted my time and my vote.
And you say you came to this conclusion after an hour? :rofl:
Imagine Biden implementing his "one gun a month" EO on top of the 3-month appointment debacle in Honolulu,
That'll cause OmniGrub's plan to buy five more guns to take about 8 months or more. Or he can use a 6-month cycle: buy a gun, make an appointment, get the permit, get the gun, make an appointment, register that gun, lather, rinse, repeat 4 more times. 6 months per gun * 5 guns = 30 months (2.5 years). And, if the Internet is no longer an option for gun purchases, local gun stores will be able to increase prices without fear of today's mainland competition.
Post by: omnigun on October 09, 2020, 03:16:05 PM
Hey OG I got a question real quick. You said earlier you supported Biden over Trump because you were banking on a republican senate and/or house to remain in power. Also you said that Biden supports science, abortion, freedom etc. are you implying that the republicans support the things you support? If not why do you want them in power over the democrats? If yes, how can you say Trump is against your policies if the Republican Party is basically owned by Trump?
Glad to hear you’ll be voting 3rd party though. I have a lot of respect for people who vote 3rd party even though they know it’s probably futile.
Yes many republicans in a pre-trump era supported science, or didn't actively attack it. Didn't try and aggressively block abortion again. Didn't say stupid shit every single day on twitter. Didn't create so much division in the world. I didn't mind president bush (minus the war). I want the republicans to keep the senate to force bipartisanship and to stop anti 2a laws. I always like when no party controls everything as I don't 100% agree with either party. Forcing them to work together I hope to get the good things I like on both sides.
Post by: Jl808 on October 09, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
https://youtu.be/IQPsKvG6WMI
Post by: omnigun on October 09, 2020, 03:20:15 PM
After being a registered Republican for many years, then a Democrat for a few, then a Libertarian/Independent for the rest of my years, I finally came to the realization that voting for a candidate that can’t possibly win is throwing away and wasting a vote. I look at it as a cop out as I am not willing to take a stand for a candidate that has a chance to win because I thought both of them were terrible candidates. I just wasted my time and my vote.
And you say you came to this conclusion after an hour? :rofl:
As everyone here pointed out Biden isnt that great, who do I vote for if I really don't like either? 3rd party candidate at least appears to be far more likable. Maybe if more and more people come to realize this we wont be stuck between two parties. We can have many, more independents. More choice, more freedom. No more shoving everyone into a blue or red meat grinder.
Post by: Inspector on October 09, 2020, 03:28:11 PM
As everyone here pointed out Biden isnt that great, who do I vote for if I really don't like either? 3rd party candidate at least appears to be far more likable. Maybe if more and more people come to realize this we wont be stuck between two parties. We can have many, more independents. More choice, more freedom. No more shoving everyone into a blue or red meat grinder.Well, hopefully you’ll grow up and mature some day and see the error of your ways. :thumbsup:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2020, 03:29:26 PM
As everyone here pointed out Biden isnt that great, who do I vote for if I really don't like either? 3rd party candidate at least appears to be far more likable. Maybe if more and more people come to realize this we wont be stuck between two parties. We can have many, more independents. More choice, more freedom. No more shoving everyone into a blue or red meat grinder.
Trump was elected for the most part because
TRUMP IS THE 3RD PARTY CANDIDATE. He only ran under the Republican ticket because he knew Hillary would be their candidate, and he knew he could beat her.
He's not a lifelong Republican. He spent most of his life as a Democrat (Hellooooo? New York!! :wtf: ).
To say you don't like Trump because he's with the GOP shows you haven't paid any attention to actual facts.
You've fallen into the mindset the parties hope you will -- tribalism. You group anyone affiliated with one party or the other as all the same. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Vote for the CANDIDATE you like, and quit trying to make it about party. Trump proved that there are only 2 groups in DC: the insiders, and the outsiders. He's the outsider they feared. That's enough for me to let him continue draining the swamp.
When asked about 2 weeks ago what surprised him the most about DC, he said, in essense, "How deep the swamp goes. There really are people there who are so powerful, they are untouchable and can get away with anything."
This is the main reason many of us voted for him. We are tired of the corruption and lack of accountability of our supposed government "servants" who seek to rule over us all.
Post by: omnigun on October 09, 2020, 03:33:26 PM
Trump was elected for the most part because
TRUMP IS THE 3RD PARTY CANDIDATE. He only ran under the Republican ticket because he knew Hillary would be their candidate, and he knew he could beat her.
He's not a lifelong Republican. He spent most of his life as a Democrat (Hellooooo? New York!! :wtf: ).
To say you don't like Trump because he's with the GOP shows you haven't paid any attention to actual facts.
You've fallen into the mindset the parties hope you will -- tribalism. You group anyone affiliated with one party or the other as all the same. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Vote for the CANDIDATE you like, and quit trying to make it about party. Trump proved that there are only 2 groups in DC: the insiders, and the outsiders. He's the outsider they feared. That's enough for me to let him continue draining the swamp.
When asked about 2 weeks ago what surprised him the most about DC, he said, in essense, "How deep the swamp goes. There really are people there who are so powerful, they are untouchable and can get away with anything."
This is the main reason many of us voted for him. We are tired of the corruption and lack of accountability of our supposed government "servants" who seek to rule over us all.
Like I said a million times I vote on the person I am an independent. That's fine if trump is 3rd party. He is not a candidate I approve. I won't vote for him no matter what party he runs for.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2020, 03:35:30 PM
Like I said a million times I vote on the person I am an independent. That's fine if trump is 3rd party. He is not a candidate I approve. I won't vote for him no matter what party he runs for.
Thank God, your vote doesn't really matter.
How many times do you have to reiterate you will never in a million years vote for Trump?
:sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:
Post by: macsak on October 09, 2020, 04:33:34 PM
Yes many republicans in a pre-trump era supported science, or didn't actively attack it. Didn't try and aggressively block abortion again. Didn't say stupid shit every single day on twitter. Didn't create so much division in the world. I didn't mind president bush (minus the war). I want the republicans to keep the senate to force bipartisanship and to stop anti 2a laws. I always like when no party controls everything as I don't 100% agree with either party. Forcing them to work together I hope to get the good things I like on both sides.
please tell us all how you are going to do this...
Post by: macsak on October 09, 2020, 04:36:35 PM
After being a registered Republican for many years, then a Democrat for a few, then a Libertarian/Independent for the rest of my years, I finally came to the realization that voting for a candidate that can’t possibly win is throwing away and wasting a vote. I look at it as a cop out as I am not willing to take a stand for a candidate that has a chance to win because I thought both of them were terrible candidates. I just wasted my time and my vote.
And you say you came to this conclusion after an hour? :rofl:
a small mind is able to change quickly...
Post by: Inspector on October 09, 2020, 04:39:54 PM
a small mind is able to change quickly...Shhhhhhhhh!!! Don’t say that in front of him. He will think it is a compliment!!! :rofl:
Post by: ren on October 09, 2020, 04:44:48 PM
As everyone here pointed out Biden isnt that great, who do I vote for if I really don't like either? 3rd party candidate at least appears to be far more likable. Maybe if more and more people come to realize this we wont be stuck between two parties. We can have many, more independents. More choice, more freedom. No more shoving everyone into a blue or red meat grinder.
In case you haven't noticed we have been entrenched in a Democratic party for decades here in Hawaii. I've never met you at the Republican HQs and never met you at any type of rally.
Post by: macsak on October 09, 2020, 05:13:21 PM
Post by: Inspector on October 10, 2020, 03:40:31 AM
As everyone here pointed out Biden isnt that great, who do I vote for if I really don't like either? 3rd party candidate at least appears to be far more likable. Maybe if more and more people come to realize this we wont be stuck between two parties. We can have many, more independents. More choice, more freedom. No more shoving everyone into a blue or red meat grinder.I find it quite hypocritical of you to listen to the people in this thread about how bad Biden is but refuse to listen to these same people who are telling you about how great Trumps accomplishments are. Unlike your hypocritical nature, they are telling you the truth. Do you think it is even remotely possible that you are wrong about Trump?
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 06:46:01 AM
please tell us all how you are going to do this...
You do know how bipartisan works right? If you need both sides to pass a bill then both sides negotiate what they want till a balance is achieved and both sides are consent with the results.
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 06:47:29 AM
I find it quite hypocritical of you to listen to the people in this thread about how bad Biden is but refuse to listen to these same people who are telling you about how great Trumps accomplishments are. Unlike your hypocritical nature, they are telling you the truth. Do you think it is even remotely possible that you are wrong about Trump?
Ok please list the great accomplishments. I will comment on them all. FYI if you main one is the courts I already commented on that thoroughly.
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 06:48:32 AM
In case you haven't noticed we have been entrenched in a Democratic party for decades here in Hawaii. I've never met you at the Republican HQs and never met you at any type of rally.
And you probably never will. I am not a republican. I am an Independent. I attend neither republican or democratic party events.
Post by: macsak on October 10, 2020, 07:09:18 AM
You do know how bipartisan works right? If you need both sides to pass a bill then both sides negotiate what they want till a balance is achieved and both sides are consent with the results.
uh, yeah, i know how bipartisanSHIP works
have you watched politics lately?
do you see any sign of either side working with the other?
Post by: ren on October 10, 2020, 07:17:34 AM
You do know how bipartisan works right? If you need both sides to pass a bill then both sides negotiate what they want till a balance is achieved and both sides are consent with the results.
One perfect example is right here in our State. Do you know why there are so many anti gun bills every year?
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 07:20:21 AM
uh, yeah, i know how bipartisanSHIP works
have you watched politics lately?
do you see any sign of either side working with the other?
You are correct its fucked up now, but hopefully people will start working together again. One can only hope.
One perfect example is right here in our State. Do you know why there are so many anti gun bills every year?
Our state doesn't have bipartisanship. Its all democrats. They do what they want.
Post by: Rocky on October 10, 2020, 09:20:23 AM
You are correct its fucked up now, but hopefully people will start working together again. One can only hope.So if an independent has no chance of winning, wouldn't voting more Republicans into office be making Hawaii more bi-partisan and "force" the dems to start working in a bi-partisan manner so dems cannot just "do what they want." ? ::)
Our state doesn't have bipartisanship. Its all democrats. They do what they want.
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 09:45:31 AM
So if an independent has no chance of winning, wouldn't voting more Republicans into office be making Hawaii more bi-partisan and "force" the dems to start working in a bi-partisan manner so dems cannot just "do what they want." ? ::)
You are correct. But I vote based on the person I do my best not to not be partisan myself. I'll admit my ideals and reality tend to clash but if everyone just gives up and picks a side we will never fix this. I would love Hawaii to be a mix of both parties or even better have independents run. So far I believe I voted mostly republican but it doesn't mean they automatically get my vote.
Post by: ren on October 10, 2020, 09:52:05 AM
You are correct its fucked up now, but hopefully people will start working together again. One can only hope.
Our state doesn't have bipartisanship. Its all democrats. They do what they want.
that's my point. We haven't had any other party except Democrat for as far as I can remember. Lingle was the closest resemblance to anything bipartisan. Until we can break free of the Dem party we won't see any other party - forget about Independent. I think the first goal is to vote Republican to open the door for other parties. You can think of it as that wedge. I don't see any other party with the clout to break into this Dem stronghold.
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 10:49:58 AM
that's my point. We haven't had any other party except Democrat for as far as I can remember. Lingle was the closest resemblance to anything bipartisan. Until we can break free of the Dem party we won't see any other party - forget about Independent. I think the first goal is to vote Republican to open the door for other parties. You can think of it as that wedge. I don't see any other party with the clout to break into this Dem stronghold.
Its far easier to convince a democrat to vote independent than to vote for a republican.
Post by: macsak on October 10, 2020, 11:00:38 AM
You are correct its fucked up now, but hopefully people will start working together again. One can only hope.
you said "Forcing them to work together I hope to get the good things I like on both sides"
how are you going to force them to work together?
Post by: drck1000 on October 10, 2020, 11:03:53 AM
you said "Forcing them to work together I hope to get the good things I like on both sides"Hopes and dreams.
how are you going to force them to work together?
Easy to be an "expert" and know everything when sharing your opinion. Once one is involved in actually executing, it changes. At least it changed my perspective. But, eh, the world still needs "good idea fairies". Because, I KNOW the world is a good place, and people are good.
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 11:24:26 AM
you said "Forcing them to work together I hope to get the good things I like on both sides"
how are you going to force them to work together?
If they have to pass a bill to say fund the government. Both sides have to agree or we get a shutdown. So hence force them to work together. IF they want to pass any bills both sides need to agree half way. Unless they plan on doing nothing for the next 4 years.
Post by: macsak on October 10, 2020, 11:32:05 AM
If they have to pass a bill to say fund the government. Both sides have to agree or we get a shutdown. So hence force them to work together. IF they want to pass any bills both sides need to agree half way. Unless they plan on doing nothing for the next 4 years.
please explain current or your proposed senate/house rules that would make this so...
Post by: macsak on October 10, 2020, 11:33:10 AM
Hopes and dreams.
Easy to be an "expert" and know everything when sharing your opinion. Once one is involved in actually executing, it changes. At least it changed my perspective. But, eh, the world still needs "good idea fairies". Because, I KNOW the world is a good place, and people are good.
hope and change worked once before
oh, wait, that was only change for the worse...
Post by: Rocky on October 10, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
Hopes and dreams.FIFY
Because, I KNOW the world is a good place, and MOST people are good.
Post by: drck1000 on October 10, 2020, 11:47:31 AM
If they have to pass a bill to say fund the government. Both sides have to agree or we get a shutdown. So hence force them to work together. IF they want to pass any bills both sides need to agree half way. Unless they plan on doing nothing for the next 4 years.Or how about we expect them to do their jobs...
Nah, that would be too easy. Anyways, seriously though, what you mentioned isn't a new concept. Look what happens when there's extended delay on CRAs, it's typically not in election years. At least prior to 2016. Congress "magically" passes something when their asses are on the line. Then when it isn't on non-election years, bickering, grandstanding, etc all while they are getting paid, and the rest of America hurts. Nothing new and will continue, because the rats are guarding the cheese.
Have Congress pass legislation that makes them actually accountable? Yeah, great in theory. Again, if you want to give it a shot, by all means. . .
Post by: drck1000 on October 10, 2020, 11:52:06 AM
hope and change worked once before
oh, wait, that was only change for the worse...
By the most "articulate speaking" President, according to many. Well, Hitler was an very charismatic speaker as well.
FIFYUh, it was sarcasm Rock-head. :crazy:
:rofl:
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 12:29:55 PM
hope and change worked once before
oh, wait, that was only change for the worse...
Meh I didn't think obama was that bad. Not sure why everyone hates him. He didn't ban guns or anything democrats normally do. Also I'm not against obamacare. Other than that he didn't really do much good or bad.
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 12:33:27 PM
please explain current or your proposed senate/house rules that would make this so...
wtf? Are you swiping some laughing gas? You don't need any more rules. That's literally how it works. :crazy:
If you want a bill passed and your party controls the house. And the opposing party controls the senate you have to edit the bill to a degree that the opposing party lets it pass, most likely by putting things they agree on it in. Both sides get a little of what they want. The magic of cooperation and bipartisanship.
Post by: macsak on October 10, 2020, 12:46:54 PM
wtf? Are you swiping some laughing gas? You don't need any more rules. That's literally how it works. :crazy:
If you want a bill passed and your party controls the house. And the opposing party controls the senate you have to edit the bill to a degree that the opposing party lets it pass, most likely by putting things they agree on it in. Both sides get a little of what they want. The magic of cooperation and bipartisanship.
that's literally the setup right now, and IT'S NOT WORKING!!!
you said that you are going to vote democrat and this would magically force them to cooperate
you hope...
you're hopeless...
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 01:05:45 PM
that's literally the setup right now, and IT'S NOT WORKING!!!
you said that you are going to vote democrat and this would magically force them to cooperate
you hope...
you're hopeless...
I think its working fine. Republicans stopping democrats from over spending. Democrats stopping republicans from destroying the environment. etc etc
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2020, 01:23:03 PM
I think its working fine. Republicans stopping democrats from over spending. Democrats stopping republicans from destroying the environment. etc etc
This post alone proves how well the MSM has programmed you.
If you really think Republicans want dirty air and water and only Democrats want to increase spending, you're 100% delusional -- or just plain ignorant.
Also, stop wth the "I think" opinions. What you think doesn't matter. Only the things which the facts support matter.
Post by: Inspector on October 10, 2020, 01:37:12 PM
Ok please list the great accomplishments. I will comment on them all. FYI if you main one is the courts I already commented on that thoroughly.Quit being a lazy bitch and fucking Google it yourself! Cut and paste the list and comment on the 50 or 100 accomplishments right here in this thread. Go ahead and do it. I dare you. I know you won’t.
I find it even more hypocritical or should I even say you are a liar for someone who plainly states you are someone who claims to look at all sides of things and makes an educated decision, then why the hell don’t you know about all of Trumps accomplishments? If you truly looked at all the good he has done, then you should not even have to ask me to post them here. You already know what they are. But since you obviously do not then you really have not looked at both sides of Trump to determine who to vote for. You think you already know. But you obviously don’t. I’m done trying to discuss things with a liar.
Post by: Brystont1 on October 10, 2020, 02:26:28 PM
Meh I didn't think obama was that bad. Not sure why everyone hates him. He didn't ban guns or anything democrats normally do. Also I'm not against obamacare. Other than that he didn't really do much good or bad.
You probably wouldn’t say that if your child’s healthcare premiums sky rocketed by 300%.
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 02:30:59 PM
Quit being a lazy bitch and fucking Google it yourself! Cut and paste the list and comment on the 50 or 100 accomplishments right here in this thread. Go ahead and do it. I dare you. I know you won’t.
I find it even more hypocritical or should I even say you are a liar for someone who plainly states you are someone who claims to look at all sides of things and makes an educated decision, then why the hell don’t you know about all of Trumps accomplishments? If you truly looked at all the good he has done, then you should not even have to ask me to post them here. You already know what they are. But since you obviously do not then you really have not looked at both sides of Trump to determine who to vote for. You think you already know. But you obviously don’t. I’m done trying to discuss things with a liar.
First on google.
https://www.frcaction.org/accomplishments
All these accomplishments for useless religion stuff. And desperation to ban abortion and freedom. Oh yeah he did sooo good much benefit for me and my life.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-biggest-accomplishments-and-failures-heading-into-2020-2019-12#accomplishment-tax-reform-3
Less partisan article.
I'll give trump space force, that was pretty decent thing to do.
Killing Isis was good, but not something only trump could of done.
Reshaping justice, is a huge pro and con.
Taxes, I pay like a tiny bit less. Barely enough to buy a decent gun. While rich people got a huge cut.
So far not really adding up to amazing trump his accomplishments outshine the failures.
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 02:32:04 PM
You probably wouldn’t say that if your child’s healthcare premiums sky rocketed by 300%.
I didn't see that, I know people who saved. People who got insurance who didn't have. I've seen much more positives than negatives. Also I didn't pay a penny more for my private plan.
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 02:34:16 PM
This post alone proves how well the MSM has programmed you.
If you really think Republicans want dirty air and water and only Democrats want to increase spending, you're 100% delusional -- or just plain ignorant.
Also, stop wth the "I think" opinions. What you think doesn't matter. Only the things which the facts support matter.
Could say the same for you and [insert far right news]. I don't even watch the news much less MSM. I am anti fracking, anti expanding oil, any relaxing environmental regulations. Please prove how republicans are trying to protect the environment.
and yes Democrats spend too much money.
Post by: Rocky on October 10, 2020, 02:53:49 PM
Uh, it was sarcasm Rock-head. :crazy:
:rofl:
How could that be ?
You said lovely positive things like
Hopes and dreams.
Easy to be an "expert"
know everything
sharing your opinion.
one is involved
actually executing,
it changes.
it changed my perspective.
"good idea fairies".
I KNOW
the world is a good place,
and people are good.
Talk about frick'n cherry picking expert. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:wave:
Post by: drck1000 on October 10, 2020, 02:58:44 PM
How could that be ?Eh, gotta go for the sweetest cherries ;D
You said lovely positive things like
Hopes and dreams.
Easy to be an "expert"
know everything
sharing your opinion.
one is involved
actually executing,
it changes.
it changed my perspective.
"good idea fairies".
I KNOW
the world is a good place,
and people are good.
Talk about frick'n cherry picking expert. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:wave:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2020, 03:19:04 PM
You probably wouldn’t say that if your child’s healthcare premiums sky rocketed by 300%.
And if your job as a computer programmer went away, and all the jobs being "created" by Obama's policies were minimum wage.
And the ACA caused your employer to lay off people to get below the "must provide health insurance" number of employees.
And the ACA caused your employer to drop all minimum wage workers to part time so he's not required to offer healthcare insurance.
And the ACA forced you off your individual, self-employed insurance policy, only to then offer an ACA exchange policy with $400/month premiums, $9,000/year deductible, and co-pays that average $500/month or more if you use healthcare for chronic treatments.
Obama promised a $2500 per family per year reduction in healthcare costs under ACA. When he finally had to face questions about this lie, his response was, the people complaining just weren't smart enough to understand the context of his comment.
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When it came to health care premiums for the typical family, Obama said he would cut the annual cost
by $2,500. Months before Obama took office, a New York Times reporter dubbed it one of the most audacious
pledges of the campaign.
...
In our search for evidence that the law might reduce the typical family's premiums, we contacted the Department
of Health and Human Services, the federal agency implementing the law. The department could not provide proof
that the average family would see a reduction, much less a $2,500 reduction.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/521/cut-cost-typical-familys-health-insurance-premium-/
Post by: ren on October 10, 2020, 05:18:48 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 10, 2020, 05:37:02 PM
I didn't see that, I know people who saved. People who got insurance who didn't have. I've seen much more positives than negatives. Also I didn't pay a penny more for my private plan.My kaiser plan went from $120 a month to $400 thanks to barry. And i had to choose a new plan that had higher copays.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2020, 08:00:17 PM
I didn't see that, I know people who saved. People who got insurance who didn't have. I've seen much more positives than negatives. Also I didn't pay a penny more for my private plan.
The problem with ACA in a nutshell is that more people were harmed than the number of people helped.
In other words, the cost far exceeds its benefits.
Post by: macsak on October 10, 2020, 10:07:28 PM
My kaiser plan went from $120 a month to $400 thanks to barry. And i had to choose a new plan that had higher copays.
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at least 2-3 times more is what i've been hearing
my insurance for me and my staff more than doubled...
Post by: omnigun on October 10, 2020, 10:14:37 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2020, 10:38:09 PM
Strange I experienced none of this nor did most people I know.
You obviously run in different circles than most people.
You can't argue with statistics. The issue becomes whether your specific situation even falls under the ACA guidelines. Employers who already have fewer employees (50?) than the limit are not required to offer healthcare insurance plans that meet ACA minimums.
Also, it's dishonest to only talk about number of people enrolled/covered with healthcare plans. Much of the new enrollees are on Medicare -- not the most generous of plans. And of those on ACA or private plans, with thousands out-of-pocket before insurance pays anything plus co-pays, many can't afford to use the services included in plans they pay for.
https://www.onedigital.com/blog/affordable-care-act-aca-limits-fees-and-penalties-through-2020/
Also, if you're only looking at premiums, then you haven't used that coverage yet. With lower premiums, you usually have higher annual deductibles (out-of-pocket expense before insurance pays) and co-pays (a better plan might have $10/Rx copay, while a cheaper one might be $20).
Additionally, if the person's taxable income is not great (less than $50K/yr), they may be getting their premiums subsidized (tax payers make up the difference).
No matter what, most people find themselves in worse situations than before ACA.
Thank Obamacare for the Rise of the Uninsured
Quote
While Obamacare promised affordable health insurance for every American, and even penalized those who
refused to buy it, the law did nothing to control underlying costs. The very structure of the law which imposed
billions of dollars in new, costly regulations also led to higher and higher insurance premiums.
As a result, when President Trump took office in 2017, average individual market health insurance premiums
in states using HealthCare.gov had already doubled when compared to 2013, the year before Obamacare’s
main regulations took effect. Average premiums went up by another 26 percent in 2018.
https://www.cms.gov/blog/thank-obamacare-rise-uninsured
In case you missed the news, Hawaii tried opting into the ACA exchange. After wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars setting up the exchange, hiring administrators, and putting people into it as fast as possible, the actual enrollment was so low, they opted out in less than 2 years. Wasted tax dollars for a scheme that raised rates. Hawaii already had a better system in place, which they went back to. Now, if you buy a plan from ACA in Hawaii, you have to use the national exchange website. Hawaii was just one of dozens of states that tried to follow Obamacare down the abyss, but eventually gave up on it.
In States That Didn’t Expand Medicaid, It’s As If Obamacare Doesn’t Even Exist For The Poor
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Twenty-five states didn’t take up the Obamacare Medicaid expansion at the beginning of this year, and the
results speak for themselves: A new survey shows more than one-third of their lowest-income residents remain
uninsured, a rate virtually unchanged from last year, even as millions gained coverage elsewhere.
Nationwide, the share of Americans 19 to 64 years old without health insurance fell from 20 percent to 10 percent,
as 9.5 million people got covered by Medicaid or private health insurance, according to a poll of Obamacare
enrollees published Thursday by the Commonwealth Fund.
.....
The authors of the ACA didn’t foresee this outcome, which was made possible by a Supreme Court ruling in 2012
giving states the right to opt out of Medicaid expansion and granting GOP politicians another cudgel to use against
Obamacare.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obamacare-medicaid-uninsured_n_5572079
Post by: ren on October 10, 2020, 10:44:02 PM
It's a great idea till the bill comes. People think that govt is a magical organization that can grant people's wishes.
Post by: macsak on October 10, 2020, 10:53:53 PM
Strange I experienced none of this nor did most people I know.
focus
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2020, 11:05:32 PM
Strange I experienced none of this nor did most people I know.
"Most" is not "everyone."
What happened to the others who DID experience what we mentioned?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2020, 11:21:24 PM
maybe your old plan sucked, too.
Just a thought.
Post by: Inspector on October 11, 2020, 03:22:38 AM
First on google.I am glad you admitted you are wrong. :rofl:
https://www.frcaction.org/accomplishments
All these accomplishments for useless religion stuff. And desperation to ban abortion and freedom. Oh yeah he did sooo good much benefit for me and my life.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-biggest-accomplishments-and-failures-heading-into-2020-2019-12#accomplishment-tax-reform-3
Less partisan article.
I'll give trump space force, that was pretty decent thing to do.
Killing Isis was good, but not something only trump could of done.
Reshaping justice, is a huge pro and con.
Taxes, I pay like a tiny bit less. Barely enough to buy a decent gun. While rich people got a huge cut.
So far not really adding up to amazing trump his accomplishments outshine the failures.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 11, 2020, 03:43:00 AM
I am glad you admitted you are wrong. :rofl:
I like how he give Trump sort-of credit for killing ISIS, but says others could have done that.
If I'm not mistaken, ISIS rose up while Obama was bragging about killing Osama Bin Laden. Part of what helped ISIS was the so-called Arab Spring that Hildabeast and Obama helped create in Libya, Egypt, etc. Benghazi happened in part because of their covert arming of Syrian rebels through Turkey.
Maybe someone else could have done all the things Trump has done, but the work of the current President doesn't wait for the next President. Trump's taking care of business without taking polls to see how his decisions affect his reelection chances.
Also, wealth envy is strong in Liberals. If someone else pays taxes on $1M of income, and I pay taxes on $100K of income, and we both get tax breaks, I would expect the person making $1M to get a bigger tax break than me because HE WAS ALREADY PAYING WAY MORE IN TAXES THAN ME!
OMG, how many times do we have to use this to explain tax cuts?
Here's the video version....
The Tax System, Explained in Beer!
https://youtu.be/BomQxCG5VG4
Post by: Inspector on October 11, 2020, 04:46:05 AM
I like how he give Trump sort-of credit for killing ISIS, but says others could have done that.Unfortunately this guy is inflicted with TDS so bad that he admitted that Trump has more accomplishments than he was giving him credit for previously. But won’t give him credit because he is a hypocrite. I did a quick search and found a list of literally hundreds of all the bills and EO’s that Trump has authored and signed. It was too much work to list them all. But TDS boy won’t go any farther than the first couple of websites. And instead of acknowledging that all those religious related bills and EO’s signed are also accomplishments he downplays them because he is prejudiced against religion and religious people. So not only is his TDS showing badly his hypocrisy about being open minded towards Trump is showing and making him look pretty fucking stupid.
If I'm not mistaken, ISIS rose up while Obama was bragging about killing Osama Bin Laden. Part of what helped ISIS was the so-called Arab Spring that Hildabeast and Obama helped create in Libya, Egypt, etc. Benghazi happened in part because of their covert arming of Syrian rebels through Turkey.
Maybe someone else could have done all the things Trump has done, but the work of the current President doesn't wait for the next President. Trump's taking care of business without taking polls to see how his decisions affect his reelection chances.
Also, wealth envy is strong in Liberals. If someone else pays taxes on $1M of income, and I pay taxes on $100K of income, and we both get tax breaks, I would expect the person making $1M to get a bigger tax break than me because HE WAS ALREADY PAYING WAY MORE IN TAXES THAN ME!
OMG, how many times do we have to use this to explain tax cuts?
Here's the video version....
The Tax System, Explained in Beer!
https://youtu.be/BomQxCG5VG4
Post by: macsak on October 11, 2020, 05:47:37 AM
"Most" is not "everyone."
What happened to the others who DID experience what we mentioned?
snowflakes only care what they "experience" in their lifetime...
Post by: Inspector on October 11, 2020, 06:14:58 AM
snowflakes only care what they "experience" in their lifetime...Perfect example:
Quote from: omnigun
Taxes, I pay like a tiny bit less. Barely enough to buy a decent gun.Who would be so ungrateful to get a new gun for free every year? The SNOWFLAKE!!! :rofl:
Post by: omnigun on October 11, 2020, 08:54:44 AM
Perfect example:
Who would be so ungrateful to get a new gun for free every year? The SNOWFLAKE!!! :rofl:
Me paying a bit less is not worth the massive debt the usa is currently getting. That's a real national security issue there. Glad that everyone is ignoring that. Cause Trump can do no harm. If Obama did it that's bad though.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 11, 2020, 10:55:25 AM
Me paying a bit less is not worth the massive debt the usa is currently getting. That's a real national security issue there. Glad that everyone is ignoring that. Cause Trump can do no harm. If Obama did it that's bad though.
You paying less in income tax gives you money in your pocket to decide what to do with it.
Invest for retirement.
Save for a major purchase or emergencies.
Exercise your Second Amendment right.
Spend it frivolously on something you've been putting off.
Give it to charity.
Pay a month or so of healthcare premiums.
You know -- things that help the economy, or helps others and reduces dependence on government welfare?
The fact is, you get to spend that money on what YOU decide (FREEDOOOOMMMMMM!!). The massive debt will not be solved without increased economic activity and growth. The Gov't doesn't create economic growth by taxing us. They do it by getting out of the way, LOWERING taxes, and implementing smart trade policies and agreements.
If you can't see how Obama taxing us slowed the recovery (slowest since the Great Depression), and how Trump sparked record growth and unemployment, it's no wonder you think like you do.
You're 100% free to give the IRS every dollar you'd like to send in to help pay the debt. But STOP forcing YOUR beliefs on everybody else! You Liberals are worse than religious cults!!
Post by: omnigun on October 11, 2020, 11:46:43 AM
You paying less in income tax gives you money in your pocket to decide what to do with it.
Invest for retirement.
Save for a major purchase or emergencies.
Exercise your Second Amendment right.
Spend it frivolously on something you've been putting off.
Give it to charity.
Pay a month or so of healthcare premiums.
You know -- things that help the economy, or helps others and reduces dependence on government welfare?
The fact is, you get to spend that money on what YOU decide (FREEDOOOOMMMMMM!!). The massive debt will not be solved without increased economic activity and growth. The Gov't doesn't create economic growth by taxing us. They do it by getting out of the way, LOWERING taxes, and implementing smart trade policies and agreements.
If you can't see how Obama taxing us slowed the recovery (slowest since the Great Depression), and how Trump sparked record growth and unemployment, it's no wonder you think like you do.
You're 100% free to give the IRS every dollar you'd like to send in to help pay the debt. But STOP forcing YOUR beliefs on everybody else! You Liberals are worse than religious cults!!
I agree with low taxes but that NEEDS to be paired with government spending cuts. You cant tax less and spend more. Stop giving major tax cuts to corporations. That corrupt as fuck if you give tax cuts to a cooperation that then funds your campaign. This goes to both sides but I find it worse on republicans. We need major spending and tax reforms. Cut government waste, less monopolies, more competition, if a cooperation cant survive then let it be replaced. There no reason we should be subsidizing oil drilling or fracking.
I might sound liberal as fuck but if you make billions yes you should pay more "beer" tax dollars. Maybe incentive the trickle down effect more instead of making a few mega rich people/ corporations.
Post by: Inspector on October 11, 2020, 11:54:41 AM
Me paying a bit less is not worth the massive debt the usa is currently getting. That's a real national security issue there. Glad that everyone is ignoring that. Cause Trump can do no harm. If Obama did it that's bad though.You are SO NARROW MINDED!!! You are the full embodiment of a snowflake. All you can think about is yourself? You paying less is meaningless only to you. But everyone paying less means more money gets pumped back into the economy. Which since you don’t seem to understand how our economy works, is actually GOOD FOR IT!!! Go buy that extra gun every year. When 300 Million Americans spend that extra money the tax revenues that come in help our economy. You think VERY SMALL. Because you only consider how things effect you and not how those same little things everyone as a whole. So in your little world everything is small and meaningless. How sad. I feel bad for you.
Now, when you say that EVERYONE is ignoring our national debt problem, you are once again lying. I have not been ignoring it. On the contrary I have been trying to enlighten everyone. But once again, you look only into your little cocoon and only see what you want and not the big picture. And then because your little world is so tiny you refuse to see the truth. There are numerous discussions here about the state of our economy. Many of them I participated in as well as numerous others here.
I searched the forum here for one word and found no less than 14 posts from 2017-2020 regarding our national debt in 10 different discussions where I am discussing the problem of our national debt with numerous others here. Here is a link to my one of my many posts:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=29692.msg270092#msg270092
So for you to say everyone is ignoring it, you are once again lying your head off because you can’t see past your little snowflake world. Just because you didn’t see it or participate in it doesn’t mean everyone is ignoring it. Grow up and open your eyes to the real/whole world.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 11, 2020, 01:59:14 PM
I agree with low taxes but that NEEDS to be paired with government spending cuts. You cant tax less and spend more. Stop giving major tax cuts to corporations. That corrupt as fuck if you give tax cuts to a cooperation that then funds your campaign. This goes to both sides but I find it worse on republicans. We need major spending and tax reforms. Cut government waste, less monopolies, more competition, if a cooperation cant survive then let it be replaced. There no reason we should be subsidizing oil drilling or fracking.
I might sound liberal as fuck but if you make billions yes you should pay more "beer" tax dollars. Maybe incentive the trickle down effect more instead of making a few mega rich people/ corporations.
What you posted here is EXACTLY, almost VERBATIM, what the Democrats said when Ronald Reagan was elected on the heels of an oil/energy crisis, banking interest rates above 20%, inflation at over 13%, and welfare spending at state and federal levels at an all time high. Reagan lowered taxes across the board, INCREASED military spending to unprecedented levels (I was lucky to begin active duty just after the raises kicked in, so I didn't have to experience the embarrassingly low wages of the military pre-Reagan), and set in motion a recovery that beat all previous recovery records.
Under Reagan, we had unbelievable economic growth, the lowest tax rates in decades, and a budget SURPLUS. Here's a little secret: when more people are employed, and everyone is making and investing more of their own money, they pay MORE in taxes and receive LESS in government assistance. It's a simple binary concept: you are either contributing to the system and not taking from it, or you are taking from it and not contributing. The more we have contributing, the more revenue there is and the less gov't spending there is.
Hopefully you can see how this is a very simple yet solidly true principle. Lowering taxes to increase tax revenue was totally counterintuitive to tax-and-spend Democrats, and they predicted Lions and Tigers and Bears from Reagan's "dangerous" increased spending on top of lower tax rates.
In the end, Reagan had to give the Dems the tax programs they wanted in order to get the minimum of the things he needed in the budget. The Dems are historically notorious for promising spending cuts later in exchange for higher taxes now. Of course, the taxes go up immediately, but the cuts never happen -- in fact, just the opposite. With the increased taxes, they budget in ever increasing spending. Reagan put a halt to that by refusing to sign any budget that didn't include the spending he wanted and the tax cuts he knew the economy needed.
The Dem spending is why it's now recorded that Reagan's tax cuts reduced revenue 6%. That totally ignores the fact that millions were no longer out of work, and the oil industry in the US that was destroyed by OPEC came roaring back. Additionally, the Cold War was over right after Reagan left office, completely due to the fact the Soviets could not match our military spending levels. A lot of money put in the right places for a few years saved us countless billions preparing for the inevitable nuclear conflict between the US and USSR.
So, how you personally fared in a tax cut is irrelevant in the big national picture. Corporations, independent businessmen and women, and mom & pop size businesses all get tax breaks that equate to stable prices, constant turnover of product, and employment for workers. For every dollar the government takes by force, they spend more than half of it feeding the system that takes and spends that dollar. Give them $1M, and they spend $500K for accounting, regulatory compliance, managers, workers and facilities -- all to spend the remaining $500K. And, once they start taking taxes for a new program, that program will never die. Money is a drug for DC. The more they get, the more they need.
Post by: robtmc on October 12, 2020, 12:06:00 PM
"“We have to come together, that’s what I’m running,” the 77-year-old began during a Toledo drive-in rally Monday. “I’m running as a proud Democrat for the Senate.”"
But the millennials and HPD trolls will still vote for a guy losing his mind.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 12, 2020, 01:31:04 PM
You are SO NARROW MINDED!!! You are the full embodiment of a snowflake. All you can think about is yourself? You paying less is meaningless only to you. But everyone paying less means more money gets pumped back into the economy. Which since you don’t seem to understand how our economy works, is actually GOOD FOR IT!!! Go buy that extra gun every year. When 300 Million Americans spend that extra money the tax revenues that come in help our economy. You think VERY SMALL. Because you only consider how things effect you and not how those same little things everyone as a whole. So in your little world everything is small and meaningless. How sad. I feel bad for you.
Now, when you say that EVERYONE is ignoring our national debt problem, you are once again lying. I have not been ignoring it. On the contrary I have been trying to enlighten everyone. But once again, you look only into your little cocoon and only see what you want and not the big picture. And then because your little world is so tiny you refuse to see the truth. There are numerous discussions here about the state of our economy. Many of them I participated in as well as numerous others here.
I searched the forum here for one word and found no less than 14 posts from 2017-2020 regarding our national debt in 10 different discussions where I am discussing the problem of our national debt with numerous others here. Here is a link to my one of my many posts:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=29692.msg270092#msg270092
So for you to say everyone is ignoring it, you are once again lying your head off because you can’t see past your little snowflake world. Just because you didn’t see it or participate in it doesn’t mean everyone is ignoring it. Grow up and open your eyes to the real/whole world.
Can you start another thread in dummy terms? Like explaining to a middle schooler. This is 1 issue that I hear every now and again from people with TDS and I don't fully understand it, nor have the time to read fine print and pages upon pages. Like simple cliff notes in dummy terms would be helpful if you got the time. If you don't then that's fine too.
Post by: robtmc on October 12, 2020, 06:18:40 PM
Forgot which state he was in. (Tweeted that he was in Pennsylvania when he was actually in Ohio)
Forgot Mitt Romney's name and instead referred to him as "a Mormon."
Addressing a used car lot:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1315752403887706115 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1315752403887706115)
Post by: macsak on October 12, 2020, 07:40:29 PM
More gems from the demented one:
Forgot which state he was in. (Tweeted that he was in Pennsylvania when he was actually in Ohio)
Forgot Mitt Romney's name and instead referred to him as "a Mormon."
Addressing a used car lot:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1315752403887706115 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1315752403887706115)
also claimed to have attended a black church as a teenager and helped plan and took part in civil rights marches
no one remembers him...
Post by: ren on October 12, 2020, 07:47:29 PM
also claimed to have attended a black church as a teenager and helped plan and took part in civil rights marches
no one remembers him...
because it must have happened over 180 years ago
Post by: Jl808 on October 14, 2020, 06:27:39 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/
Post by: drck1000 on October 14, 2020, 07:56:08 AM
Email evidence found in laptop about Hunter Biden and Burisma.Ruh-roh
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/
But, but, but, there's no tangible harm. . .
Post by: robtmc on October 14, 2020, 07:57:09 AM
Email evidence found in laptop about Hunter Biden and Burisma."The New York Post reported Wednesday that a laptop computer abandoned at a Delaware repair shop contains emails between Hunter Biden and a senior Burisma adviser that indicate Hunter Biden arranged a meeting between his father then-Vice President Joe Biden and the adviser in Washington, D.C. in 2015. "
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/
Post by: omnigun on October 14, 2020, 08:52:15 AM
Ruh-roh
But, but, but, there's no tangible harm. . .
Trump does the same things, but are technically not illegal. Should be shamed and discouraged but politicians gonna politician. You cant hate hunter and give a free pass to trump.
Post by: ren on October 14, 2020, 08:58:33 AM
Trump does the same things, but are technically not illegal. Should be shamed and discouraged but politicians gonna politician. You cant hate hunter and give a free pass to trump.
so Trump does LEGAL things.
Post by: Inspector on October 14, 2020, 09:07:04 AM
Trump does the same things, but are technically not illegal. Should be shamed and discouraged but politicians gonna politician. You cant hate hunter and give a free pass to trump.This’s is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve read all day!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on October 14, 2020, 09:14:40 AM
Trump does the same things, but are technically not illegal. Should be shamed and discouraged but politicians gonna politician. You cant hate hunter and give a free pass to trump.I never said anything about giving Trump a pass. Stop making assumptions on what a poster is thinking, intending, etc.
If you don't see why this is an issue, based on current events and past events (hint impeachment), you really are helpless.
You and your technical, tangible, etc. You either have zero ethics, or have zero idea what you're talking about.
Post by: drck1000 on October 14, 2020, 09:15:14 AM
This’s is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve read all day!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Have you seen the latest updates from Crazie Mazie? ::)
:rofl:
Post by: Inspector on October 14, 2020, 09:28:37 AM
Have you seen the latest updates from Crazie Mazie? ::)Yes I have. These two are running neck and neck for Hawaii’s Biggest Fucking Idiot Award. 🥈
:rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: hvybarrels on October 14, 2020, 10:02:18 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/smoking-gun-emails-show-hunter-biden-introduced-vp-dad-burisma-executive
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 14, 2020, 11:03:23 AM
Trump does the same things, but are technically not illegal. Should be shamed and discouraged but politicians gonna politician. You cant hate hunter and give a free pass to trump.
No, he does not. He doesn't point-blank lie about it when asked, then have emails prove he lied.
Trump has been the most transparent and most scrutinized/investigated president in my lifetime at least, probably ever, and he's survived witch hunt after fake scandal after sham impeachment.
You have less than no evidence to support your claim.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 14, 2020, 11:08:15 AM
However, on the other hand, "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!!"
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 14, 2020, 11:54:16 AM
Then told her nah JJ. That was Bill Clinton giving a speech and Hillary signing off on the Uranium. This is B4 it was mentioned at all on TV (Uranium1). Her response was "well maybe they needed the energy so they don't have to be fossil fuel dependent. And I'm sure Hillary needed other peoples approval before signing the deal".
So I usually reverse the situation. Would the fake news be all over the story if 1 of Trumps kids got paid a huge salary by an overseas company which they have no experience in. Followed by Trump meeting with that countries decision makers to make a deal for the pay.
Let's not forget how Biden's brother was CEO of a company to rebuild homes in Iraq and got billions in federal funding.
Post by: Jl808 on October 14, 2020, 07:11:20 PM
https://youtu.be/ETTmhCsz2Fw
Post by: Jl808 on October 14, 2020, 07:14:09 PM
https://youtu.be/Go2vFnzbR0Y
Tucker Carlson talks about Big Tech censorship
https://youtu.be/eZiYFJwXSag
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 14, 2020, 08:57:39 PM
Trump threatened to remove Facebook and Twitter
protections after they blocked story about Biden
meeting son Hunter's Ukraine partners
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Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey apologized on Wednesday night after the social media giant faced backlash
over its decision to block links to a story which claims Joe Biden met with a Ukrainian businessman
while he was Vice President.
It came just an hour after President Donald Trump threatened to remove the US legal protections that
exempts the likes of Twitter and Facebook from liability for the material users post on their networks.
Trump called for the law, known as Section 230, to be repealed as he blasted the social media giants
as 'terrible' for 'reducing circulation' of a New York Post article which published the claims about his
rival Biden earlier in the day.
Dorsey's tweet that his company's actions had been 'unacceptable' also came after it locked the
personal account of White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany for sharing information on the
article earlier in the day.
In his apology, Dorset linked to a statement from the company that said it was restricting the link because
'personal and private information' was shared in the story, pulling back from its earlier suggestions of
inaccuracy.
The Post story says that the former Vice President met with Ukrainian businessman Vadym Pozharskyi,
as associate of his son Hunter, months before Biden would pressure Ukrainian officials to fire a prosecutor
who was investigating Pozharskyi's firm.
Facebook and Twitter were accused of 'election interference' for throttling the article, after they claimed
it needed to be independently verified by fact-checkers before it could be shared on their platforms.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8840113/Facebook-squashes-New-York-Post-story-Joe-Biden-saying-needs-fact-checked.html
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 14, 2020, 09:03:24 PM
for sharing NY Post reporting. :wtf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCEDix0hsOI
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 14, 2020, 09:07:05 PM
https://youtu.be/eZiYFJwXSag
Post by: astroboy on October 14, 2020, 10:27:21 PM
https://youtu.be/nIjaLmOTkEE
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 15, 2020, 12:16:38 AM
The Australian news does it again.
Great interview. I hope the people who broke this story get pulitzers.
This story is exactly why the Dems impeached Trump. He was focused on investigating the Bidens and their corruption in Ukraine, China, Russia, Iraq, etc. The impeachment was a preemptive strike to prevent Trump from beating Biden in the 2020 race, even though Joe had not even secured the Democrat Party nomination yet!
Now we are also getting evidence that the Obama-Biden administration weaponized the INTEL and DOJ arms of the government to target Trump based on a plot hatched by Hildabeast -- which was briefed to Obama and reported to Comey (as if people with working brains didn't already understand this was what happened).
I remember the question put to Amy Coney Barrett in the hearings this week as to whether the President has the authority to delay a general election for any reason. This is falling into place now.
If Trump finds that Biden needs to be thoroughly investigated by the FBI, and he thinks it's in the nation's interest to delay the vote until that is done, he might actually look into doing that. The voters have a right to answers before having to cast their votes if this dark cloud is hanging over the election.
The way these last 4 years have gone on, it would not be shocking if Biden won through shady mail-in ballot manipulations, then was impeached for the Burisma corruption (probably would be nailed for perjury at least), then removed from office.
That would guarantee us a President Kamala "I inhaled" Harris regardless of Biden's mental or physical capacity. :shake:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 15, 2020, 12:45:35 AM
There aren't enough laughing emojis to do this justice!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I can hear it now.
Joe calling Hunter: "$85? Really??? WTF were you smok .... never mind! I already know that answer!! You cost me an election over $85?? Why couldn't you be more like your brother?"
Hunter: "But, Beau's dead. ..... oh."
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 15, 2020, 09:08:18 AM
Imagine, if this Hunter email story winds up knocking Joe out of the election, it will have happened because Hunter dropped off a Mac computer without wiping/removing the drive and then stiffing the repair shop for $85!!
There aren't enough laughing emojis to do this justice!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I can hear it now.
Joe calling Hunter: "$85? Really??? WTF were you smok .... never mind! I already know that answer!! You cost me an election over $85?? Why couldn't you be more like your brother?"
Hunter: "But, Beau's dead. ..... oh."
Crackhead doing crackhead shit, Pretty much sums it up.
Post by: robtmc on October 15, 2020, 11:22:25 AM
That would guarantee us a President Kamala "I swallowedinhaled" Harris regardless of Biden's mental or physical capacity. :shake:
FIFY
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 15, 2020, 11:56:55 AM
That's not fair!! Why not schedule "equal time" at different times? It's going to divide the country more by choosing what to watch!! (Don Lemon)
Really? With DVRs, the Internet, and news on demand programming with cable, having to "choose" what to watch when there's a schedule overlap is a thing of the past.
:crazy: :wacko: :crazy: :wacko: :crazy: :wacko:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 15, 2020, 01:26:43 PM
There are TWO Town Halls tonight in place of Presidential Debate #2. CNN is LIVID that NBC would schedule Trump's event at the same time as Biden's.
That's not fair!! Why not schedule "equal time" at different times? It's going to divide the country more by choosing what to watch!! (Don Lemon)
Really? With DVRs, the Internet, and news on demand programming with cable, having to "choose" what to watch when there's a schedule overlap is a thing of the past.
:crazy: :wacko: :crazy: :wacko: :crazy: :wacko:
Don't forget that Trumps one would have to have been planned way before Biden's one since he is the sitting president. Recon teams sent out weeks if not even longer in advance of the possible event. So really, Biden should reschedule. Then again, organgeman bad and it's his fault.
Post by: ren on October 16, 2020, 07:46:39 AM
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/10/16/civil-beat-hnn-poll-most-hawaii-voters-support-biden-presidential-race/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/10/16/civil-beat-hnn-poll-most-hawaii-voters-support-biden-presidential-race/)
Post by: drck1000 on October 16, 2020, 11:28:52 AM
https://youtu.be/X7ziEwfWghA
Post by: hvybarrels on October 16, 2020, 12:36:20 PM
Hawaii is forever blue!
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/10/16/civil-beat-hnn-poll-most-hawaii-voters-support-biden-presidential-race/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/10/16/civil-beat-hnn-poll-most-hawaii-voters-support-biden-presidential-race/)
30% is nothing to sniff at. That’s two major political scandals away from a tie
Post by: hvybarrels on October 16, 2020, 12:42:03 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/snyde/ny-ice-cube-cnn-and-chris-cuomo-cant-handle-the-truth-20201015-wv3nmfq33ffk7ifgl3glvgbkau-story.html
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 16, 2020, 12:48:12 PM
Don't forget that Trumps one would have to have been planned way before Biden's one since he is the sitting president. Recon teams sent out weeks if not even longer in advance of the possible event. So really, Biden should reschedule. Then again, organgeman bad and it's his fault.
Both had to have begun the planning process starting no earlier than almost 2 weeks ago. That's when the second debate was canceled after (1) Trump declined to involve himself in a totally digital debate which only favors Biden, and (2) the named debate moderator from C-SPAN asked a staunch anti-Trump former member of the Trump team, Anthony Scaramucci, for advise on what to do regarding the Trump campaign. The moderator, Steve Scully, lied to everyone, saying his Twitter account had been hacked -- hence, the Scaramucci Tweet was not his. He later admitted he'd lied, and was then suspended from C-SPAN.
So, in summary, the Town Halls was scheduled in the time slot the second debate was in. Nothing nefarious about the scheduling. Had the moderator not publicly trashed his own integrity, credibility and even the slightest bit of objectivity, the second debate may have been able to go on as scheduled without resorting to virtual attendees.
Post by: drck1000 on October 16, 2020, 02:38:33 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-8-year-olds-can-decide-theyre-transgender
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 17, 2020, 01:51:21 AM
The repair shop owner says he has proof of that.
Biden and his campaign have yet to deny the computer and data on the hard drive are legit.
The repair shop guy actually made a copy of the drive and sent it to Rudy Guliani's lawyer, because he feared the FBI would sit on it or totally bury it.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Biden was the Obama point man for China, Ukraine and Russia. Biden's family made millions in all 3 of those countries.
Selling access to our government? Is water wet?
Biden is toast.
https://youtu.be/GureRbH-_Xs
Post by: Rocky on October 17, 2020, 01:43:23 PM
Minimum of 3.9% up to 100% is kept by the dem money machine Act Blue.
How do you think biden raised so much money since George Floyd.
Nothing is used to improve black lives
Right now, BLM is a cash cow for the Democrats, earning them a whopping $1.67 billion in corporate donations so far, with a billion of that coming from Bank of America.
Meanwhile, an investigation by The National Pulse revealed that the Black Lives Matter website – the organization spearheading nationwide “defund the police” campaigns – is partnered with ActBlue, a Democrat fundraising platform that is the top donor to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, responsible for raising nearly 99.64 percent of the Biden for President effort.
Post by: Inspector on October 17, 2020, 03:25:45 PM
My nephew has a good friend that works for the FBI I believe. His assignment is protecting Biden. My nephew told me his friend told him they are planning massive gun confiscation of so called “Assault Rifles” if he is elected. Also, very restrictive background checks and restrictions for guns and ammo. Also some sort of magazine restrictions as well.
Not sure how they can do it at the federal level. But I am sure they are going to try.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 17, 2020, 03:29:36 PM
This is strictly hearsay, so take the following with a grain of salt.
My nephew has a good friend that works for the FBI I believe. His assignment is protecting Biden. My nephew told me his friend told him they are planning massive gun confiscation of so called “Assault Rifles” if he is elected. Also, very restrictive background checks and restrictions for guns and ammo. Also some sort of magazine restrictions as well.
Not sure how they can do it at the federal level. But I am sure they are going to try.
Every one of those items plus more are on the Biden campaign website.
Nothing Biden hasn't publicly stated, so that "hearsay" has been corroborated. by the source. :wave:
Post by: Inspector on October 17, 2020, 03:35:56 PM
Every one of those items plus more are on the Biden campaign website.I don’t like to repeat anything from unknown sources so I just type the warning even tho my nephews friend has been spot on previously.
Nothing Biden hasn't publicly stated, so that "hearsay" has been corroborated. by the source. :wave:
I have not been keeping up with the Biden campaign like I should be. I have more important things to do. :rofl:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 17, 2020, 06:20:10 PM
I don’t like to repeat anything from unknown sources so I just type the warning even tho my nephews friend has been spot on previously.
I have not been keeping up with the Biden campaign like I should be. I have more important things to do. :rofl:
I feel like I need a shower after going to any Democrat website ..... and I have an uncontrollable urge to check that I still have my wallet!
Here's the link:
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#
Post by: astroboy on October 17, 2020, 11:51:46 PM
https://youtu.be/_zhWHsfEa0U
Post by: ren on October 18, 2020, 07:44:30 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 18, 2020, 10:01:18 AM
He made a copy of the internal disk because he didn't know if the FBI would do anything and didn't want the disk to suffer the same fate as every other computer, tablet and phone that contained evidence against a high ranking Democrat.
When he didn't see anything about it being reported on the news, he sent the copy to Rudy Guliani's lawyer, which is why it's now being made public.
Deep state .... FBI .....
.... but I repeat myself. :wtf:
Post by: macsak on October 18, 2020, 10:13:37 AM
According to the PC repair shop owner, he sent Hunter Biden's laptop to the FBI ...... in Dec 2019!!
He made a copy of the internal disk because he didn't know if the FBI would do anything and didn't want the disk to suffer the same fate as every other computer, tablet and phone that contained evidence against a high ranking Democrat.
When he didn't see anything about it being reported on the news, he sent the copy to Rudy Guliani's lawyer, which is why it's now being made public.
Deep state .... FBI .....
.... but I repeat myself. :wtf:
he also sent copies to several friends, just in case he was killed...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 18, 2020, 10:17:55 AM
Biden has been polling double digits above Trump, but now they are warning the polling "might be wrong"! :rofl:
Might be? Anyone who followed 2016's failed polling already knew that.
The press has been pushing the narrative that Biden is WAAAAAAY out ahead. I've been of the opinion for months that those reports only help Trump and hurt Biden with voters.
I think the poll numbers likely helped Biden raise money (would be harder if he was predicted to lose). Now that it's down to the last 2 weeks and a few days, they are flipping the script to make it look like the race is a toss-up in critical swing states.
Gaming the system with help from the polls and media. Whodathunkit?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 18, 2020, 10:19:43 AM
he also sent copies to several friends, just in case he was killed...
Friends?
I would have given copies, along with a retainer, to a few lawyers. Then, if they get off'ed, ..... at least something good comes from all this! :geekdanc:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 18, 2020, 10:23:21 AM
he also sent copies to several friends, just in case he was killed...U mean shot himself in the back of the head.
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Post by: robtmc on October 18, 2020, 05:33:26 PM
he also sent copies to several friends, just in case he was killed...Maybe PIAPS owes him a few favors?
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.qrMO_QaEGmjcJrfTp5nqPAAAAA?pid=Api&rs=1)
Post by: macsak on October 18, 2020, 07:54:42 PM
Post by: macsak on October 19, 2020, 08:34:31 AM
Post by: macsak on October 19, 2020, 08:42:53 AM
Post by: macsak on October 19, 2020, 10:22:42 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 19, 2020, 11:52:55 AM
Post by: macsak on October 19, 2020, 12:07:51 PM
Someone discovered the copy and paste option.
i focused
Post by: macsak on October 19, 2020, 02:31:13 PM
Post by: drck1000 on October 19, 2020, 02:32:09 PM
Someone discovered the copy and paste option.
i focusedLike a baby monkey who just found his pee pee. :rofl:
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 19, 2020, 08:17:47 PM
Biden's son drops the computer off with all the sensitive information on it and just leaves it there without trying to get it.
The store owner is legally blind so he can never attest to who dropped it off.
The shop owner goes in and reads the emails for whatever reason when it wouldn't be necessary to repair the computer.
The shop owner gives it to the FBI who does nothing allegedly. (Plausible, the FBI doesn't move quickly on big things)
The shop owner then gives it to Rudy Giulani of all people, someone who doesn't have the most credibility right now.
The shop owner also possibly violates laws by releasing sensitive personal information to someone outside of law enforcement.
Not saying it isn't possible this is all true but it is awfully convenient right before the election.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 19, 2020, 08:31:29 PM
Is it just me or is anyone else finding the story a little suspicious?U starting to sound like someone else on the forum. #noteverythingistinfoil
Biden's son drops the computer off with all the sensitive information on it and just leaves it there without trying to get it.
The store owner is legally blind so he can never attest to who dropped it off.
The shop owner goes in and reads the emails for whatever reason when it wouldn't be necessary to repair the computer.
The shop owner gives it to the FBI who does nothing allegedly. (Plausible, the FBI doesn't move quickly on big things)
The shop owner then gives it to Rudy Giulani of all people, someone who doesn't have the most credibility right now.
The shop owner also possibly violates laws by releasing sensitive personal information to someone outside of law enforcement.
Not saying it isn't possible this is all true but it is awfully convenient right before the election.
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Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 19, 2020, 08:42:56 PM
U starting to sound like someone else on the forum. #noteverythingistinfoil
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Yeah yeah I know but still, you have to admit that is a pretty odd yet convenient set of circumstances. Any healthy dose of skepticism should raise a few eyebrows on this one.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 19, 2020, 09:13:41 PM
Yeah yeah I know but still, you have to admit that is a pretty odd yet convenient set of circumstances. Any healthy dose of skepticism should raise a few eyebrows on this one.Or just a crackhead doing crackhead things.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 19, 2020, 09:35:11 PM
Is it just me or is anyone else finding the story a little suspicious?
Biden's son drops the computer off with all the sensitive information on it and just leaves it there without trying to get it.
The store owner is legally blind so he can never attest to who dropped it off.
The shop owner goes in and reads the emails for whatever reason when it wouldn't be necessary to repair the computer.
The shop owner gives it to the FBI who does nothing allegedly. (Plausible, the FBI doesn't move quickly on big things)
The shop owner then gives it to Rudy Giulani of all people, someone who doesn't have the most credibility right now.
The shop owner also possibly violates laws by releasing sensitive personal information to someone outside of law enforcement.
Not saying it isn't possible this is all true but it is awfully convenient right before the election.
Where do you get your facts? MSNBC? Rachel Madcow?
Legally blind? Do you know what that even means?
Quote
“Central visual acuity 20/200 or less in the better eye with best correction, or widest diameter of visual field subtending an angle of no greater than 20 degrees.”
This basically means that even with corrective lenses or surgery, to clearly see an object that a person with normal vision could see from 200 feet away, you would have to be 20 feet or closer."
Is the owner near-sighted or far-sighted. If far-sighted, and the person he's seeing is at least a few feet away, it's not a problem. Also, if near-sighted, and the person is 1-2 feet from his face, again, would be a minor issue. Do you know if the owner's vision is correctable? Mine was corrected with glasses or contacts to 20/20. Was he wearing corrective lenses? What's his eyesight corrected? Can he legally drive? If so, his CORRECTED vision has to be no worse than 20/40 in most states.
The "personal information" BS is just that. If I give you my personal information because you need it, you have a duty to protect it. If you voluntarily or accidentally give me personal information without me asking for it or saying I need it, that's 100% your fault, and I have no duty to protect it. If I found your paycheck stub on the sidewalk, and posted it on Instagram, your pay info, personal data, SSN, etc would now be public. Nothing you can do. I did not steal it.
Most repair shops have a disclaimer you have to sign saying they are not responsible for any data you give them, and that they may have to destroy it.
Looking in a hard drive at the things someone stores is snooping, but it's not illegal. Now if the owner tried to blackmail the Bidens to get it back or have it go public, that would be illegal.
Giulani is a lawyer. If you think the owner can't give private information from an abandoned laptop to a lawyer -- any lawyer - then you're deranged. It's why lawyers have rules of ethics. They can look at private info all day and it's legal. It's what they might do after getting it that could be problematic. In this case, Giulani had a duty to disclose it as an American and as a personal supporter of the President -- the same President who was impeached over the exact same mess. This laptop proves Trump was right about the Bidens in his "perfect" phone call.
BTW, the identity of who dropped the PC off for repair is irrelevant. It's been said it may have likely been a staffer at the Beau Biden Foundation. All that matters is that it was left there and never retrieved -- ever. There's also evidence the Biden's lawyer called the repair shop last week and asked for the laptop back. If the owner's evidence proves that happened, then the lawyer has already confirmed the laptop is authentic. Why else would he be calling to claim property? He must own it, or that would be illegal.
So far, nobody on the Biden campaign has denied the authenticity of the emails and other data on the laptop. Today, the Director of National Intelligence, Ratcliff, said they have NO EVIDENCE that the Biden emails are part of any Russian disinformation campaign. Meanwhile, the MSM and Adam Schiff said today they KNOW this came from the Kremlin. You know, the same Schiff that said sufficient evidence of Trump colluding with Russia was in the public domain? Still waiting for that evidence to make its way to the light of day.
So many straws being grasped at here. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Inspector on October 20, 2020, 01:29:30 AM
Where do you get your facts? MSNBC? Rachel Madcow?My grandmother was “Legally Blind”. I remember her eyes never seemed clear like everyone else's eyes do. She died around the time I was 19 or 20. But I never remember her not being legally blind. I do remember up until the time she fell and broke her hip, she was leading an independent life without help from anyone. She walked every where. Did her own shopping. Knew all the store owners and their families that she bought groceries from. My mom and dad would drop me off while they would go visit my aunt. And I would spend a half day or so visiting with her. We would walk her little route and then stop at Thrifty Drug Store and have some ice cream before walking back to her home. She lived up on the second floor of an apartment building and went up and down those stairs without much of a problem. And when it came time to go visit my aunt who lived 20-30 miles away she got on a bus and went. She didn’t have a cane nor a dog nor a helper of any kind. She could easily recognize people that she came in close contact with. She used to make Thanksgiving dinner for us, too. But I think that got to be too much for her and my aunt took over for her after a while. I think she was 88 when she died. She got hepatitis somehow while in the hospital after she broke her hip and died from complications of that.
Legally blind? Do you know what that even means?
Is the owner near-sighted or far-sighted. If far-sighted, and the person he's seeing is at least a few feet away, it's not a problem. Also, if near-sighted, and the person is 1-2 feet from his face, again, would be a minor issue. Do you know if the owner's vision is correctable? Mine was corrected with glasses or contacts to 20/20. Was he wearing corrective lenses? What's his eyesight corrected? Can he legally drive? If so, his CORRECTED vision has to be no worse than 20/40 in most states.
The "personal information" BS is just that. If I give you my personal information because you need it, you have a duty to protect it. If you voluntarily or accidentally give me personal information without me asking for it or saying I need it, that's 100% your fault, and I have no duty to protect it. If I found your paycheck stub on the sidewalk, and posted it on Instagram, your pay info, personal data, SSN, etc would now be public. Nothing you can do. I did not steal it.
Most repair shops have a disclaimer you have to sign saying they are not responsible for any data you give them, and that they may have to destroy it.
Looking in a hard drive at the things someone stores is snooping, but it's not illegal. Now if the owner tried to blackmail the Bidens to get it back or have it go public, that would be illegal.
Giulani is a lawyer. If you think the owner can't give private information from an abandoned laptop to a lawyer -- any lawyer - then you're deranged. It's why lawyers have rules of ethics. They can look at private info all day and it's legal. It's what they might do after getting it that could be problematic. In this case, Giulani had a duty to disclose it as an American and as a personal supporter of the President -- the same President who was impeached over the exact same mess. This laptop proves Trump was right about the Bidens in his "perfect" phone call.
BTW, the identity of who dropped the PC off for repair is irrelevant. It's been said it may have likely been a staffer at the Beau Biden Foundation. All that matters is that it was left there and never retrieved -- ever. There's also evidence the Biden's lawyer called the repair shop last week and asked for the laptop back. If the owner's evidence proves that happened, then the lawyer has already confirmed the laptop is authentic. Why else would he be calling to claim property? He must own it, or that would be illegal.
So far, nobody on the Biden campaign has denied the authenticity of the emails and other data on the laptop. Today, the Director of National Intelligence, Ratcliff, said they have NO EVIDENCE that the Biden emails are part of any Russian disinformation campaign. Meanwhile, the MSM and Adam Schiff said today they KNOW this came from the Kremlin. You know, the same Schiff that said sufficient evidence of Trump colluding with Russia was in the public domain? Still waiting for that evidence to make its way to the light of day.
So many straws being grasped at here. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Bottom line form my long story is that being “Legally Blind” is somewhat meaningless in the grand scheme of things. As long as you are not completely blind, it will effect your life but it doesn't have to end it. It does limit some abilities but doesn’t necessarily take away your abilities. I think whoever said being legally blind meant something as far as not being able to identify Hunter Biden is very misinformed.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 20, 2020, 01:32:34 AM
My grandmother was “Legally Blind”. I remember her eyes never seemed clear like everyone else's eyes do. She died around the time I was 19 or 20. But I never remember her not being legally blind. I do remember up until the time she fell and broke her hip, she was leading an independent life without help from anyone. She walked every where. Did her own shopping. Knew all the store owners and their families that she bought groceries from. My mom and dad would drop me off while they would go visit my aunt. And I would spend a half day or so visiting with her. We would walk her little route and then stop at Thrifty Drug Store and have some ice cream before walking back to her home. She lived up on the second floor of an apartment building and went up and down those stairs without much of a problem. And when it came time to go visit my aunt who lived 20-30 miles away she got on a bus and went. She didn’t have a cane nor a dog nor a helper of any kind. She could easily recognize people that she came in close contact with. She used to make Thanksgiving dinner for us, too. But I think that got to be too much for her and my aunt took over for her after a while. I think she was 88 when she died. She got hepatitis somehow while in the hospital after she broke her hip and died from complications of that.
Bottom line form my long story is that being “Legally Blind” is somewhat meaningless in the grand scheme of things. As long as you are not completely blind, it will effect your life but it doesn't have to end it. It does limit some abilities but doesn’t necessarily take away your abilities. I think whoever said being legally blind meant something as far as not being able to identify Hunter Biden is very misinformed.
I'd rather be legally blind than willfully blind ..... 8)
Post by: Inspector on October 20, 2020, 01:42:19 AM
I'd rather be legally blind than willfully blind ..... 8)Good point!
What the hell are you doing up so early? It is 4:40am here. :rofl:
Post by: Inspector on October 20, 2020, 04:03:00 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 20, 2020, 01:46:44 PM
Biden's campaign is TOAST! :geekdanc:
https://youtu.be/WAVp57zf5to
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 20, 2020, 01:57:17 PM
Good point!
What the hell are you doing up so early? It is 4:40am here. :rofl:
I was watching The Free State of Jones. Didn't realize it was over 2 hours long.
I watched it once before, but must have been doing something else at the same time, because I didn't remember much of the story.
Better the second time around. Matthew McConaughey is one of my favorite actors, which is an extremely short list.
Post by: ren on October 20, 2020, 02:11:57 PM
Lots of "juicy" details.
Biden's campaign is TOAST! :geekdanc:
https://youtu.be/WAVp57zf5to
Don't discount the power of the Sith. That's what they said on his first presidential run in the 80s. Look where we are now. After all the lies he's still here doing dumb things again. He warned us and we continue to keep him on stage.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 20, 2020, 02:19:53 PM
Don't discount the power of the Sith. That's what they said on his first presidential run in the 80s. Look where we are now. After all the lies he's still here doing dumb things again. He warned us and we continue to keep him on stage.
Joe had to withdraw from the 88 presidential campaign, because he was caught lying about his academic credentials and outed for plagiarism.
So, this would be just another Joe Biden Presidential Campaign failure. Instead of "No Malarkey," he should use "Shooting myself in the foot -- for the working class!"
I still think it's a bit of projection for him to use the "No Malarkey" slogan. He obviously needs to state that, or else people would think it's the same old malarkey he's been dishing out for 180 years.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 20, 2020, 03:10:17 PM
It was a LIE!!
https://youtu.be/LPOrlLdXgJ0
Post by: ren on October 20, 2020, 03:15:54 PM
Post by: drck1000 on October 20, 2020, 03:22:52 PM
I'd really like to believe that all these lies by Biden will mark the end of his campaign but we are in different times with different norms. Yes, in the 80s it was not OK to lie and plagiarize. Today its OK to lie, steal and cheat if you belong to a certain group or raised to be that way. We can see that here with the younger poster(s) who attempt to imply their infantile and naive views upon us.So much blind hate for Trump, that I think most of Biden's staunch supporters will ignore. Even writing it off as "fake news" despite them believing any dirt brought up about Trump. So sad that those blindly hating on Trump for his short comings (hate, dividing the country, etc) are doing the same with their actions. Seeing so many friends (or acquaintances) getting into such bitter arguments that "pau friends". Sad. . .
Post by: drck1000 on October 20, 2020, 03:28:02 PM
I still like the Joe Rogan idea.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 20, 2020, 03:58:52 PM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 20, 2020, 05:05:00 PM
Well, will see what happens in the next debate.
I still like the Joe Rogan idea.
3rd debate was to be on Foreign Policy, just like in previous years.
This is the way previous debates have done the topics.
This week, the debate commission announced they want to change the 3rd debate topics from foreign policy to COVID, Climate Change, and other topics -- many of which were already covered in the 1st debate and in the town halls.
They want to keep Trump away from China, Ukraine and Russia, because that's going to open the door to the corrupt Biden family.
Post by: drck1000 on October 20, 2020, 05:19:23 PM
3rd debate was to be on Foreign Policy, just like in previous years.Precisely. And I was interested IF the question came out, what the reaction from MSM would be.
This is the way previous debates have done the topics.
This week, the debate commission announced they want to change the 3rd debate topics from foreign policy to COVID, Climate Change, and other topics -- many of which were already covered in the 1st debate and in the town halls.
They want to keep Trump away from China, Ukraine and Russia, because that's going to open the door to the corrupt Biden family.
Someone posted previously, interesting in the way or level that the Biden camp is reacting. :hmm:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 20, 2020, 06:58:42 PM
BTW, the identity of who dropped the PC off for repair is irrelevant. It's been said it may have likely been a staffer at the Beau Biden Foundation. All that matters is that it was left there and never retrieved -- ever. There's also evidence the Biden's lawyer called the repair shop last week and asked for the laptop back. If the owner's evidence proves that happened, then the lawyer has already confirmed the laptop is authentic. Why else would he be calling to claim property? He must own it, or that would be illegal.
So far, nobody on the Biden campaign has denied the authenticity of the emails and other data on the laptop. Today, the Director of National Intelligence, Ratcliff, said they have NO EVIDENCE that the Biden emails are part of any Russian disinformation campaign. Meanwhile, the MSM and Adam Schiff said today they KNOW this came from the Kremlin. You know, the same Schiff that said sufficient evidence of Trump colluding with Russia was in the public domain? Still waiting for that evidence to make its way to the light of day.
So many straws being grasped at here. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
New documents released today.
One showed a copy of a receipt with the $85 estimate to repair the PC, and signed by ..... wait for it ..... Hunter Biden!!
Another document showed a receipt to the repair shop from the FBI saying the laptop was handed over to the FBI in Dec 2019.
The authenticity of the laptop is not in question based on the documentation, the Beau Biden Foundation sticker, the contents of the drive, and the fact the Bidens' lawyer contacting the repair shop owner and asking for the laptop to be returned.
Kamala Harris is already reviewing potential VP picks ....
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 09:17:10 AM
New documents released today.
One showed a copy of a receipt with the $85 estimate to repair the PC, and signed by ..... wait for it ..... Hunter Biden!!
Another document showed a receipt to the repair shop from the FBI saying the laptop was handed over to the FBI in Dec 2019.
The authenticity of the laptop is no in question based on the documentation, the Beau Biden Foundation sticker, the contents of the drive, and the fact the Bidens' lawyer contacting the repair shop owner and asking for the laptop to be returned.
Kamala Harris is already reviewing potential VP picks ....
I find it interesting that everyone here is so pro the information gained from this HIGHLY illegal and unethical way of getting said info. This is why the republican party is going further away from freedom. First the patriot act, then the Hillary emails, now this. I am not arguing on the facts obtained but how there were obtained. Imagine if you got your laptop to be fixed and the technicians looked at all your personal data. I find it shameful that you all are supporting this. This is why the 4th and 14th amendment exist.
Note: this also applies to the non republicans supporting this. The breach of civil liberty and freedom is ridiculous. No matter what the guy did, it was found in an unethical and illegal way. The ends does not meet the means.
If this was a court of law this would be eliminated from evidence. I would treat it the same. Even if they found out the hunter biden killed people for sport. If the information gained was immoral and illegal I cant support the means to get it. Much like torture.
Post by: robtmc on October 21, 2020, 09:28:17 AM
After all the lies he's still here doing dumb things again. He warned us and we continue to keep him on stage.Damn sure not WE!!!
Despised that smarmy POS for decades.
He alone is responsible for the debacle of the final withdrawal from RVN by blocking funding to continue a somewhat orderly operation..
Post by: macsak on October 21, 2020, 09:29:35 AM
I find it interesting that everyone here is so pro the information gained from this HIGHLY illegal and unethical way of getting said info. This is why the republican party is going further away from freedom. First the patriot act, then the Hillary emails, now this. I am not arguing on the facts obtained but how there were obtained. Imagine if you got your laptop to be fixed and the technicians looked at all your personal data. I find it shameful that you all are supporting this. This is why the 4th and 14th amendment exist.
Note: this also applies to the non republicans supporting this. The breach of civil liberty and freedom is ridiculous. No matter what the guy did, it was found in an unethical and illegal way. The ends does not meet the means.
If this was a court of law this would be eliminated from evidence. I would treat it the same. Even if they found out the hunter biden killed people for sport. If the information gained was immoral and illegal I cant support the means to get it. Much like torture.
he signed a contract that stated what happens if he does not pick up the repair job...
Post by: Inspector on October 21, 2020, 09:39:38 AM
I find it interesting that everyone here is so pro the information gained from this HIGHLY illegal and unethical way of getting said info. This is why the republican party is going further away from freedom. First the patriot act, then the Hillary emails, now this. I am not arguing on the facts obtained but how there were obtained. Imagine if you got your laptop to be fixed and the technicians looked at all your personal data. I find it shameful that you all are supporting this. This is why the 4th and 14th amendment exist.🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️
Note: this also applies to the non republicans supporting this. The breach of civil liberty and freedom is ridiculous. No matter what the guy did, it was found in an unethical and illegal way. The ends does not meet the means.
If this was a court of law this would be eliminated from evidence. I would treat it the same. Even if they found out the hunter biden killed people for sport. If the information gained was immoral and illegal I cant support the means to get it. Much like torture.
Post by: Inspector on October 21, 2020, 09:41:01 AM
he signed a contract that stated what happens if he does not pick up the repair job...Does the truth and facts not matter over feelings to these young people any more? 🤦♂️
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 09:42:29 AM
I find it interesting that everyone here is so pro the information gained from this HIGHLY illegal and unethical way of getting said info. This is why the republican party is going further away from freedom. First the patriot act, then the Hillary emails, now this. I am not arguing on the facts obtained but how there were obtained. Imagine if you got your laptop to be fixed and the technicians looked at all your personal data. I find it shameful that you all are supporting this. This is why the 4th and 14th amendment exist.Younger Biden's stupidity isn't illegal. . .
Note: this also applies to the non republicans supporting this. The breach of civil liberty and freedom is ridiculous. No matter what the guy did, it was found in an unethical and illegal way. The ends does not meet the means.
If this was a court of law this would be eliminated from evidence. I would treat it the same. Even if they found out the hunter biden killed people for sport. If the information gained was immoral and illegal I cant support the means to get it. Much like torture.
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
he signed a contract that stated what happens if he does not pick up the repair job...Meh, contracts don't apply to the Biden elites of the world. As Pelosi.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 10:11:20 AM
Meh, contracts don't apply to the Biden elites of the world. As Pelosi.
Where is this contact that's says this? That they can look at all your info?
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 10:19:28 AM
Where is this contact that's says this? That they can look at all your info?Sarcasm Sheldon Cooper. . .
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 10:24:06 AM
Not even trying to hide the fact he snooped illegally on info that wasn't his during the repair....
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2020, 11:35:49 AM
Hunter Biden dropped off three computers with liquid damage at a repair shop in Wilmington, Delaware on April 12, 2019. The owner, John Paul Mac Isaac, examined the three and determined that one was beyond recovery, one was okay and the data on the hard drive of the third could be recovered. Hunter signed the service ticket and John Paul Mac Isaac repaired the hard drive and down loaded the data. During this process he saw some disturbing images and a number of emails that concerned Ukraine, Burisma, China and other issues.
Not even trying to hide the fact he snooped illegally on info that wasn't his during the repair....
So if a tech saw pedo type pics, shall they not report it to the FBI? It already is being done all the time. The Bill of Rights is so the government cannot control you. As an individual vs. another individual, it does not apply.
I'm not a IT tech, but wouldn't the person fixing the laptop have to make sure they fixed it, by opening files to see if they work? Or to try and open files before fixing to see what's wrong.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2020, 11:36:54 AM
Sarcasm Sheldon Cooper. . .
Or he wants to see the actual signed contract between Hunter and the tech. BRB, calling them right now so they can fax it over. :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 11:39:59 AM
Or he wants to see the actual signed contract between Hunter and the tech. BRB, calling them right now so they can fax it over. :rofl:Bazinga
Post by: robtmc on October 21, 2020, 11:41:04 AM
Not like an "independent" with an open mind that wants to know about the character of candidates.
Post by: Inspector on October 21, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
Hunter Biden dropped off three computers with liquid damage at a repair shop in Wilmington, Delaware on April 12, 2019. The owner, John Paul Mac Isaac, examined the three and determined that one was beyond recovery, one was okay and the data on the hard drive of the third could be recovered. Hunter signed the service ticket and John Paul Mac Isaac repaired the hard drive and down loaded the data. During this process he saw some disturbing images and a number of emails that concerned Ukraine, Burisma, China and other issues.None of this matters. There is such a thing as abandoned property laws. After the prescribed time the laptop became the sole owner of the business. And the owner of that business can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. Fucking stoooopid!! There are no privacy laws protecting the information on that laptop after it becomes the property of the business. Fucking stooooopid!!! 🤦♂️
Not even trying to hide the fact he snooped illegally on info that wasn't his during the repair....
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 11:57:55 AM
So if a tech saw pedo type pics, shall they not report it to the FBI? It already is being done all the time. The Bill of Rights is so the government cannot control you. As an individual vs. another individual, it does not apply.
I'm not a IT tech, but wouldn't the person fixing the laptop have to make sure they fixed it, by opening files to see if they work? Or to try and open files before fixing to see what's wrong.
That's a really hard question. What I would do would not get myself into that situation. I would not be opening files randomly on the computer. Perhaps ask the client before hand where I should do file tests. And respect the persons privacy above all.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:00:40 PM
None of this matters. There is such a thing as abandoned property laws. After the prescribed time the laptop became the sole owner of the business. And the owner of that business can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. Fucking stoooopid!! There are no privacy laws protecting the information on that laptop after it becomes the property of the business. Fucking stooooopid!!! 🤦♂️
Ends don't make a means. After reading everything he indeed legal if he truly made efforts to return the laptop which i question. Lets say that is correct we have to question the motivation. If he made copies knowing what they contained because he was against it, its breach of privacy. The fact that the breach of privacy occurred first should render all further evidence moot. If cops illegally search your house and find a dead body that dead body should never be used to convict you of any crime.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:01:08 PM
None of this matters. There is such a thing as abandoned property laws. After the prescribed time the laptop became the sole owner of the business. And the owner of that business can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. Fucking stoooopid!! There are no privacy laws protecting the information on that laptop after it becomes the property of the business. Fucking stooooopid!!! 🤦♂️
Also, as an IT guru (OmniGuru), he should know that it's permitted for an IT professional to access the information on any system under their control. it's LITERALLY what we do.
I've had access to SO MUCH classified data, always at the level my clearance allowed, but I have no "need to know". We can't work with a blindfold on.
Who did anything illegal? I would say Hunter #1 dropped off a PC with what looked like child porn, #2 failed to PAY the shop owner for the services he provided (that's called "theft"), and #3 abandoned the laptop which forced the owner to take possession of the ABANDONED PC. Giving the PC to the FBI ensure the owner will never be reimbursed for the time and materials he expended on this contracted job.
If the laptop was ILLEGALLY retained, why didn't anyone call the Cops to have it returned? Any ideas on that one?
As for "a court would not allow this as evidence," that's so stupid. Evidence that was abandoned by the owner is no longer their property. It's perfectly legal for Law Enforcement to sift through a suspect's trash cans at the curb without a warrant. The trash was not on private property, and the owner of the trash surrendered ownership and control over the trash as soon as he sat it by the curb for pickup.
The laptop is no different. The laptop was voluntarily given to the repair shop for repairs, and subsequently abandoned. If Hunter has walked in after a month and paid the bill, he may have gotten his laptop back.
We aren't talking about a Pawn Shop who makes money by selling collateral used for loans that never get repaid. He's making his money on repair services. He's not likely to illegally keep a laptop for its resale value.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:03:15 PM
May be just the impression I get from snippets of the blocked millennials manic postings, but he/she sure sounds like a very upset liberal trying to protect Biden with this laptop thing.
Not like an "independent" with an open mind that wants to know about the character of candidates.
If they came out with a similar situation on trump proving that he took bribes I would have the EXACT same outlook. The way they gathered the information was incorrect. I would personally not hold it against him.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:04:36 PM
That's a really hard question. What I would do would not get myself into that situation. I would not be opening files randomly on the computer. Perhaps ask the client before hand where I should do file tests. And respect the persons privacy above all.
You're a poor example of an IT guy.
When I transfer files to a new drive, I not only do comparisons to ensure everything copied, but I also log in as a regular user to make sure permissions are properly set. That requires actually opening files under each directory that the users need to access.
It does the user no good to have a PC which only a SysAdmin can access or edit.
Duh.
Post by: macsak on October 21, 2020, 12:05:03 PM
Also, as an IT guru (OmniGuru), he should know that it's permitted for an IT professional to access the information on any system under their control. it's LITERALLY what we do.
I've had access to SO MUCH classified data, always at the level my clearance allowed, but I have no "need to know". We can't work with a blindfold on.
Who did anything illegal? I would say Hunter #1 dropped off a PC with what looked like child porn, #2 failed to PAY the shop owner for the services he provided (that's called "theft"), and #3 abandoned the laptop which forced the owner to take possession of the ABANDONED PC. Giving the PC to the FBI ensure the owner will never be reimbursed for the time and materials he expended on this contracted job.
If the laptop was ILLEGALLY retained, why didn't anyone call the Cops to have it returned? Any ideas on that one?
As for "a court would not allow this as evidence," that's so stupid. Evidence that was abandoned by the owner is no longer their property. It's perfectly legal for Law Enforcement to sift through a suspect's trash cans at the curb without a warrant. The trash was not on private property, and the owner of the trash surrendered ownership and control over the trash as soon as he sat it by the curb for pickup.
The laptop is no different. The laptop was voluntarily given to the repair shop for repairs, and subsequently abandoned. If Hunter has walked in after a month and paid the bill, he may have gotten his laptop back.
We aren't talking about a Pawn Shop who makes money by selling collateral used for loans that never get repaid. He's making his money on repair services. He's not likely to illegally keep a laptop for its resale value.
facts over feelings...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:06:28 PM
Ends don't make a means. After reading everything he indeed legal if he truly made efforts to return the laptop which i question. Lets say that is correct we have to question the motivation. If he made copies knowing what they contained because he was against it, its breach of privacy. The fact that the breach of privacy occurred first should render all further evidence moot. If cops illegally search your house and find a dead body that dead body should never be used to convict you of any crime.
Abandoned property doesn't require any effort on the shop's part. If the receipt provided the policy and time limit, they aren't required to "make an effort to return it."
Quit making shit up.
Post by: Inspector on October 21, 2020, 12:07:18 PM
Ends don't make a means. After reading everything he indeed legal if he truly made efforts to return the laptop which i question. Lets say that is correct we have to question the motivation. If he made copies knowing what they contained because he was against it, its breach of privacy. The fact that the breach of privacy occurred first should render all further evidence moot. If cops illegally search your house and find a dead body that dead body should never be used to convict you of any crime.As Howard Stern’s father would say to Howard when was a little kid “Don’t be stupid you moron”.
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 12:08:22 PM
Ends don't make a means. After reading everything he indeed legal if he truly made efforts to return the laptop which i question. Lets say that is correct we have to question the motivation. If he made copies knowing what they contained because he was against it, its breach of privacy. The fact that the breach of privacy occurred first should render all further evidence moot. If cops illegally search your house and find a dead body that dead body should never be used to convict you of any crime.Flip the coin over. Add your feelings for Trump. You still singing the same tune?
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:11:30 PM
Also, as an IT guru (OmniGuru), he should know that it's permitted for an IT professional to access the information on any system under their control. it's LITERALLY what we do.
I've had access to SO MUCH classified data, always at the level my clearance allowed, but I have no "need to know". We can't work with a blindfold on.
Who did anything illegal? I would say Hunter #1 dropped off a PC with what looked like child porn, #2 failed to PAY the shop owner for the services he provided (that's called "theft"), and #3 abandoned the laptop which forced the owner to take possession of the ABANDONED PC. Giving the PC to the FBI ensure the owner will never be reimbursed for the time and materials he expended on this contracted job.
If the laptop was ILLEGALLY retained, why didn't anyone call the Cops to have it returned? Any ideas on that one?
As for "a court would not allow this as evidence," that's so stupid. Evidence that was abandoned by the owner is no longer their property. It's perfectly legal for Law Enforcement to sift through a suspect's trash cans at the curb without a warrant. The trash was not on private property, and the owner of the trash surrendered ownership and control over the trash as soon as he sat it by the curb for pickup.
The laptop is no different. The laptop was voluntarily given to the repair shop for repairs, and subsequently abandoned. If Hunter has walked in after a month and paid the bill, he may have gotten his laptop back.
We aren't talking about a Pawn Shop who makes money by selling collateral used for loans that never get repaid. He's making his money on repair services. He's not likely to illegally keep a laptop for its resale value.
They are not related like that at all. That would be like if you took your classified laptop to get repaired for some reason and the tech there snooped. Its a private matter. Not work. When I go to work I know there's no privacy I am not using my own equipment or network. When I am at home I expect privacy. When I engage a business to fix my laptop I expect privacy. Its all about motive not the end result. I admit in this case technically everything is legal assuming he actually made effort to return the laptop. It can be used as evidence. From the information I read. Though the way it was gathered in the first point was very unethical. He should of not looked at the data in the first place, Clearly at that point he was snooping, he was not in good faith testing to see if things worked. If he waited till after it was his property then that's fine.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:11:56 PM
Flip the coin over. Add your feelings for Trump. You still singing the same tune?
Yes. I dont like biden you all forget. I dislike him almost as much as trump. Though I do indeed dislike trump more.
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 12:13:36 PM
If they came out with a similar situation on trump proving that he took bribes I would have the EXACT same outlook. The way they gathered the information was incorrect. I would personally not hold it against him.Why are you making up defenses that Biden’s team isn’t utilizing? You don’t find that ???
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:14:42 PM
You're a poor example of an IT guy.
When I transfer files to a new drive, I not only do comparisons to ensure everything copied, but I also log in as a regular user to make sure permissions are properly set. That requires actually opening files under each directory that the users need to access.
It does the user no good to have a PC which only a SysAdmin can access or edit.
Duh.
You do under the context of a work environment. I do the same. If I know all data belongs to the company. If its a personal laptop I would never do that without permission. There's expectations of privacy in different situations.
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 12:15:07 PM
They are not related like that at all. That would be like if you took your classified laptop to get repaired for some reason and the tech there snooped. Its a private matter. Not work. When I go to work I know there's no privacy I am not using my own equipment or network. When I am at home I expect privacy. When I engage a business to fix my laptop I expect privacy. Its all about motive not the end result. I admit in this case technically everything is legal assuming he actually made effort to return the laptop. It can be used as evidence. From the information I read. Though the way it was gathered in the first point was very unethical. He should of not looked at the data in the first place, Clearly at that point he was snooping, he was not in good faith testing to see if things worked. If he waited till after it was his property then that's fine.
I can speak from experience that that’s NOT how it works.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:16:04 PM
I can speak from experience that that’s NOT how it works.
That's not a literal example, you would never allow a classified laptop to get repaired by non certified people...semantics. I was relating it to private data.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:17:26 PM
Ends don't make a means. After reading everything he indeed legal if he truly made efforts to return the laptop which i question. Lets say that is correct we have to question the motivation. If he made copies knowing what they contained because he was against it, its breach of privacy. The fact that the breach of privacy occurred first should render all further evidence moot. If cops illegally search your house and find a dead body that dead body should never be used to convict you of any crime.
Sorry, but your legal training and deductive reasoning skills are ridiculous.
There was never an illegal search. Ever. The new owner of the laptop surrendered it to the FBI.. FBI did not conduct an illegal search for the laptop. If Hunter wanted privacy, he should have used full disk encryption. Every organization with sensitive or personal information in need of protection knows to use those encryption programs. In fact, there are free versions available. Giving someone an unencrypted drive in no way offers an expectation of privacy.
I never let a hard drive/SSD out of my control. When I sent a laptop to Dell for repairs, I replaced the boot disk with a newly imaged disk. That ensured the disk had no private or proprietary info on it, because (1) Dell may have had to re-image the disk, (2) they may have needed to put a new disk in, or (3) they may have replaced the entire PC, disk included.
Since we had encryption on our laptops, that alone required that we re-imaged the disk. Otherwise, it prevents Dell from accessing the disk with utilities that might be needed to troubleshoot and repair the system.
So many things Hunter did wrong. Nothing the shop owner and FBI did wrong.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:17:32 PM
Why are you making up defenses that Biden’s team isn’t utilizing? You don’t find that ???
I am not on team biden, I dont care what his defenses are.
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 12:17:50 PM
That's not a literal example, you would never allow a classified laptop to get repaired by non certified people...semantics. I was relating it to private data.See. That’s not semantics. That’s you talking out of your arse again.
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 12:18:48 PM
I am not on team biden, I dont care what his defenses are.Haha. This isn’t The Voice.
I’m just saying why are you making up defenses that the individual hasn’t used to defend themself? At least publicly that I saw.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:21:14 PM
Sorry, but your legal training and deductive reasoning skills are ridiculous.
There was never an illegal search. Ever. The new owner of the laptop surrendered it to the FBI.. FBI did not conduct an illegal search for the laptop. If Hunter wanted privacy, he should have used full disk encryption. Every organization with sensitive or personal information in need of protection knows to use those encryption programs. In fact, there are free versions available. Giving someone an unencrypted drive in no way offers an expectation of privacy.
I never let a hard drive/SSD out of my control. When I sent a laptop to Dell for repairs, I replaced the boot disk with a newly imaged disk. That ensured the disk had no private or proprietary info on it, because (1) Dell may have had to re-image the disk, (2) they may have needed to put a new disk in, or (3) they may have replaced the entire PC, disk included.
Since we had encryption on our laptops, that alone required that we re-imaged the disk. Otherwise, it prevents Dell from accessing the disk with utilities that might be needed to troubleshoot and repair the system.
So many things Hunter did wrong. Nothing the shop owner and FBI did wrong.
During the repair the shop owner admitted to looking at the data seeing what it contained, saving it to a separate location. Why do you not talk about this? I already said you are correct in the end that there's nothing legally wrong. Encryption is important but privacy applies to even dumb people like hunter. I do the same, I remove hard drives before any repair. But we are not normal people. Regular people don't know this but should have the same expectation of privacy in America, the land of the free.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:22:57 PM
You do under the context of a work environment. I do the same. If I know all data belongs to the company. If its a personal laptop I would never do that without permission. There's expectations of privacy in different situations.
Bullshit.
Customers are routinely told to backup their data before leaving for repairs. The shop cannot be held responsible for damage or deletion of the data.
Again --privacy is the customer's concern. Once the PC is out of their control, they have no choice over who sees what.
See my post on encryption. if it's not an encrypted drive, then there's no expectation of privacy regarding the repair shop. As long as the shop doesn't give it to a 3rd party illegally, privacy is a nonissue. For example, if there are files that a business competitor can use, giving the data to that company would be grounds for a lawsuit, but it's not criminal.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:23:01 PM
Haha. This isn’t The Voice.
I’m just saying why are you making up defenses that the individual hasn’t used to defend themself? At least publicly that I saw.
I have no interest in defending Biden or his kid though. I just don't like how this happened. Ethically, I am pro privacy and freedom. Regardless of who and the outcome. Like I said before if they got dirt on trump through unethical means I wouldn't support that either, even if I don't like the guy either.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:25:43 PM
Bullshit.
Customers are routinely told to backup their data before leaving for repairs. The shop cannot be held responsible for damage or deletion of the data.
Again --privacy is the customer's concern. Once the PC is out of their control, they have no choice over who sees what.
See my post on encryption. if it's not an encrypted drive, then there's no expectation of privacy regarding the repair shop. As long as the shop doesn't give it to a 3rd party illegally, privacy is a nonissue. For example, if there are files that a business competitor can use, giving the data to that company would be grounds for a lawsuit, but it's not criminal.
Now take off the IT hat. Do you think your mother would do the same? If she got a laptop repaired. Should your mother have a reasonable degree of privacy, even though she isnt tech savy? Privacy must be held up from both sides. You cant only say its the customer and not the other side. Both sides must work. Its a double layer of protection. If the customer fails, the other side should also work to protect their rights.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:29:01 PM
You do under the context of a work environment. I do the same. If I know all data belongs to the company. If its a personal laptop I would never do that without permission. There's expectations of privacy in different situations.
And the repairman was in his work environment. Until the laptop was abandoned, I'm sure he respected the owner's data and kept it to himself -- except for the evidence of criminal activity which he has a duty to report to authorities.
Did you know people have been arrested based on reports from 1 hour photo developing labs? They have busted all kinds of criminals, including pedos, because the criminals were stupid enough to think their photos are "private", and the developers have a duty to protect their privacy,
They were just as stupid as you sound. Privacy? Unless there's a contractual or legal requirement, the owner can run his business as he sees fit. This is not a gov't agency searching for evidence. It's a private business owner who stumbled across evidence of crimes and dirty dealings within the government.
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 12:29:45 PM
Now take off the IT hat. Do you think your mother would do the same? If she got a laptop repaired. Should your mother have a reasonable degree of privacy, even though she isnt tech savy? Privacy must be held up from both sides. You cant only say its the customer and not the other side. Both sides must work. Its a double layer of protection. If the customer fails, the other side should also work to protect their rights.Ethical vs legal
If someone isn’t aware of dangers doesn’t make the argument any different. I mean when my dad was still alive, being scammed was one of my bigger fears. But my feelings don’t have impact in this case.
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 12:31:28 PM
I have no interest in defending Biden or his kid though. I just don't like how this happened. Ethically, I am pro privacy and freedom. Regardless of who and the outcome. Like I said before if they got dirt on trump through unethical means I wouldn't support that either, even if I don't like the guy either.Ok. Going back to the Schiff thing, you don’t see hypocrisy there.
And going back to that, the point wasn’t trusting Russia. It was Schiff trying to twist statements to fit his agenda when fitting.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:32:12 PM
During the repair the shop owner admitted to looking at the data seeing what it contained, saving it to a separate location. Why do you not talk about this? I already said you are correct in the end that there's nothing legally wrong. Encryption is important but privacy applies to even dumb people like hunter. I do the same, I remove hard drives before any repair. But we are not normal people. Regular people don't know this but should have the same expectation of privacy in America, the land of the free.
Making a backup before attempting a repair is 100% standard operating procedure.
If you've never done this, then you had a poor teacher -- and zero real world IT hardware experience.
Privacy only applies if the contract says it does. Or, do you believe there's a "Customer-Provider Relationship" rule, not just for doctors, lawyers and spouses?
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:35:20 PM
Ok. Going back to the Schiff thing, you don’t see hypocrisy there.
And going back to that, the point wasn’t trusting Russia. It was Schiff trying to twist statements to fit his agenda when fitting.
Sorry I am not following what do you mean? What did he do?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
Now take off the IT hat. Do you think your mother would do the same? If she got a laptop repaired. Should your mother have a reasonable degree of privacy, even though she isnt tech savy? Privacy must be held up from both sides. You cant only say its the customer and not the other side. Both sides must work. Its a double layer of protection. If the customer fails, the other side should also work to protect their rights.
Bullshit.
If my mother took her laptop into the shop KNOWING it contained evidence of a CRIME, then she's stupider than you are.
If, however, she has her bank accounts depleted because the owner used her saved browser info to log into the bank, use of the information to steal her money is a crime.
As I said before, privacy is not guaranteed. What my mother might expect and what the repair shop actually does might not be the same thing. Doesn't make her right and him wrong.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:37:41 PM
And the repairman was in his work environment. Until the laptop was abandoned, I'm sure he respected the owner's data and kept it to himself -- except for the evidence of criminal activity which he has a duty to report to authorities.
Did you know people have been arrested based on reports from 1 hour photo developing labs? They have busted all kinds of criminals, including pedos, because the criminals were stupid enough to think their photos are "private", and the developers have a duty to protect their privacy,
They were just as stupid as you sound. Privacy? Unless there's a contractual or legal requirement, the owner can run his business as he sees fit. This is not a gov't agency searching for evidence. It's a private business owner who stumbled across evidence of crimes and dirty dealings within the government.
What do you mean in bold? If hunter picked up the laptop would you still want him to give the information up?
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:38:21 PM
Bullshit.
If my mother took her laptop into the shop KNOWING it contained evidence of a CRIME, then she's stupider than you are.
If, however, she has her bank accounts depleted because the owner used her saved browser info to log into the bank, use of the information to steal her money is a crime.
As I said before, privacy is not guaranteed. What my mother might expect and what the repair shop actually does might not be the same thing. Doesn't make her right and him wrong.
This is the sad state of America.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:40:25 PM
Making a backup before attempting a repair is 100% standard operating procedure.
If you've never done this, then you had a poor teacher -- and zero real world IT hardware experience.
Privacy only applies if the contract says it does. Or, do you believe there's a "Customer-Provider Relationship" rule, not just for doctors, lawyers and spouses?
From the article I read he made a backup because of what he found and mainly concentrated on backup that info. Also I believe he did the backup after the repair, which is ass backwards. You are correct to do a backup of files BEFORE the repair.
Customer-Provider Relationship <- Yes I believe in this. It should be mandated.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:43:09 PM
I have no interest in defending Biden or his kid though. I just don't like how this happened. Ethically, I am pro privacy and freedom. Regardless of who and the outcome. Like I said before if they got dirt on trump through unethical means I wouldn't support that either, even if I don't like the guy either.
It's nice that you are pro-privacy, but that in no way puts the burden of protecting your data on everyone else in your world. That's 100% your responsibility.
Stop with the hypotheticals. You're not good at it.
**IF** they got information on Trump illegally? They did: his income tax returns were put out by the press. Talk about breach of privacy. Only his lawyers & accountants and the US gov't had access. How did anyone get his old returns? And then to display that on TV?
Yeah. There's no "what if" there. It LITERALLY happened.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:46:57 PM
It's nice that you are pro-privacy, but that in no way puts the burden of protecting your data on everyone else in your world. That's 100% your responsibility.
Stop with the hypotheticals. You're not good at it.
**IF** they got information on Trump illegally? They did: his income tax returns were put out by the press. Talk about breach of privacy. Only his lawyers & accountants and the US gov't had access. How did anyone get his old returns? And then to display that on TV?
Yeah. There's no "what if" there. It LITERALLY happened.
Yes trumps taxes thing i don't hold it against him because of the way it was gained. Don't believe i have said anything negative about him for that.
Privacy is a right and should be protected like guns.
Post by: aieahound on October 21, 2020, 12:47:25 PM
Why are you making up defenses that Biden’s team isn’t utilizing? You don’t find that ???
Cause Team Biden is trying to quietly sweep this fiasco under the rug as quickly and quietly as possible.
Personally, I’d snoop through the guys shit if he stiffed me. Legally.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:47:45 PM
What do you mean in bold? If hunter picked up the laptop would you still want him to give the information up?
Evidence of a crime in plain sight should be reported to authorities. No better way to say it.
If I walk into your bedroom (expected privacy) and see drugs on the dresser (evidence of crime), I can alert the police. Unless I was acting as an agent of the police (informant, etc), the evidence I provide (testimony) is all they need to get a warrant. I did not breach your privacy "rights", nor did the police.
Leaving a laptop unprotected in the hands of another person quashes any expectations of privacy.
it's really not a hard concept -- unless you just refuse to accept the truth.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:50:09 PM
This is the sad state of America.
Not just America, little Liberal boy. It's plain old common sense. If you have something that needs protecting, you can't expect anyone other than yourself to protect it unless you specifically have an agreement from someone else they will also protect it. Why do you think the Gov't requires anyone with a clearance to sign an NDA? It's so they can't disclose classified data and then claim they didn't know they had a duty to protect it (unless your last name happens to be "Clinton", of course).
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 12:50:37 PM
Cause Team Biden is trying to quietly sweep this fiasco under the rug as quickly and quietly as possible.Roger, but don’t think ignoring is gonna work this time.
Personally, I’d snoop through the guys shit if he stiffed me. Legally.
Wait, ahh shit. A #tinfoilclub thought just crossed my mind. :shake:
Pls refer to being prepared thread.
Stiffied (yes, spelling intended) you legally? You gonna give consent? :rofl:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:50:46 PM
What do you mean in bold? If hunter picked up the laptop would you still want him to give the information up?
If the data showed evidence of a crime, yes.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:50:51 PM
Evidence of a crime in plain sight should be reported to authorities. No better way to say it.
If I walk into your bedroom (expected privacy) and see drugs on the dresser (evidence of crime), I can alert the police. Unless I was acting as an agent of the police (informant, etc), the evidence I provide (testimony) is all they need to get a warrant. I did not breach their privacy "rights", nor did the police.
Leaving a laptop unprotected in the hands of another person quashes any expectations of privacy.
it's really not a har concept -- unless you just refuse to accept the truth.
I guess we are both very different. In that situation I would act differently. I hold freedom and the right to privacy highly.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:53:26 PM
From the article I read he made a backup because of what he found and mainly concentrated on backup that info. Also I believe he did the backup after the repair, which is ass backwards. You are correct to do a backup of files BEFORE the repair.
Customer-Provider Relationship <- Yes I believe in this. It should be mandated.
"Should be" is not a SYNONYM for "doesn't exist". So, not a point. Opinions are not facts.
As for the sequence of events, only the shop keeper knows the details. What gets reported on the news is often based on misunderstandings, assumptions and just plain wrong.
Don't try to argue down in the weeds when the weeds aren't verified facts.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 12:54:36 PM
Yes trumps taxes thing i don't hold it against him because of the way it was gained. Don't believe i have said anything negative about him for that.
Privacy is a right and should be protected like guns.
Question: Who protects your rights?
Answer: You do.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:55:33 PM
Not just America, little Liberal boy. It's plain old common sense. If you have something that needs protecting, you can't expect anyone other than yourself to protect it unless you specifically have an agreement from someone else they will also protect it. Why do you thing the Gov't requires anyone with a clearance to sign an NDA? It's so they can't disclose classified data and then claim they didn't know they had to.
Republicans and America used to stand for freedom and privacy it's in the frigging constitution. But I guess that means nothing. Everything with you is personal responsibility. Might as well not have government or rules.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 12:56:19 PM
Question: Who protects your rights?
Answer: You do.
Incorrect. The government, everyone and myself do. If not why bother having government.
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 12:56:51 PM
Republicans and America used to stand for freedom and privacy it's in the frigging constitution. But I guess that means nothing. Everything with you is personal responsibility. Might as well not have government or rules.Personally responsibility it YUGE for me.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 01:01:44 PM
I guess we are both very different. In that situation I would act differently. I hold freedom and the right to privacy highly.
So, if the law says "you have privacy", and the landlord finds evidence you committed a crime while fixing a faucet, you think privacy trumps being turned in for a crime?
You still have a right to due process, so if the evidence was illegally obtained or is actually not evidence YOU committed a crime, you'll not be charged/found guilty.
Your rights can be asserted during the judicial process. But for some reason, you fear the justice system you defended in another post.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 01:03:48 PM
I guess we are both very different. In that situation I would act differently. I hold freedom and the right to privacy highly.
And I hold the rights of children to not be abused and molested higher than the privacy of a crackhead daddy's boy.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 01:14:56 PM
So, if the law says "you have privacy", and the landlord finds evidence you committed a crime while fixing a faucet, you think privacy trumps being turned in for a crime?
You still have a right to due process, so if the evidence was illegally obtained or is actually not evidence YOU committed a crime, you'll not be charged/found guilty.
Your rights can be asserted during the judicial process. But for some reason, you fear the justice system you defended in another post.
What do you mean fear? I believe the justice system serves a purpose. But it must respect the laws.
As for the landlord I believe would lean yes I would expect privacy for the individual.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2020, 01:16:42 PM
That's a really hard question. What I would do would not get myself into that situation. I would not be opening files randomly on the computer. Perhaps ask the client before hand where I should do file tests. And respect the persons privacy above all.
What if you fixed what was wrong and CP stuff popped up open on the desk top when you powered on the laptop. Would you not report it?
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2020, 01:18:36 PM
They are not related like that at all. That would be like if you took your classified laptop to get repaired for some reason and the tech there snooped. Its a private matter. Not work. When I go to work I know there's no privacy I am not using my own equipment or network. When I am at home I expect privacy. When I engage a business to fix my laptop I expect privacy. Its all about motive not the end result. I admit in this case technically everything is legal assuming he actually made effort to return the laptop. It can be used as evidence. From the information I read. Though the way it was gathered in the first point was very unethical. He should of not looked at the data in the first place, Clearly at that point he was snooping, he was not in good faith testing to see if things worked. If he waited till after it was his property then that's fine.
How do you know when the info was discovered? What if the tech found it after claiming rights on abandoned property. Wouldn't that make it all OK and not snooping anymore. The Tech was looking at his newly owned laptop.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 01:25:54 PM
What if you fixed what was wrong and CP stuff popped up open on the desk top when you powered on the laptop. Would you not report it?
In that case yes I would. Unless it appears it was a virus causing that.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 01:27:42 PM
How do you know when the info was discovered? What if the tech found it after claiming rights on abandoned property. Wouldn't that make it all OK and not snooping anymore. The Tech was looking at his newly owned laptop.
He did an interview which he said what he did. And he said he saw it and did things before it became this property. If it was done after I would have no problem with it.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2020, 01:28:56 PM
What do you mean in bold? If hunter picked up the laptop would you still want him to give the information up?
5th amendment about self incrimination.
What he means is if someone else sees something criminal, they have a duty to report it to the authorities.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 01:29:41 PM
What do you mean fear? I believe the justice system serves a purpose. But it must respect the laws.
As for the landlord I believe would lean yes I would expect privacy for the individual.
And therein lies the problem.
There is no law that supports your "leaning". There's an "In plain sight" exception to the privacy rule. If you opened his top dresser drawer to see the (let's say) drugs, then it would be up to a jury to decide whether that constituted a privacy violation, being that he's the landlord. Otherwise, leaving the drugs out in plain sight negates his claim of privacy knowing you were coming to fix the faucet.
Once again, only YOU can protect your privacy. Don't want it seen, don't stupidly leave it where someone can see it.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 01:31:29 PM
That's a really hard question. What I would do would not get myself into that situation. I would not be opening files randomly on the computer. Perhaps ask the client before hand where I should do file tests. And respect the persons privacy above all.
Those are all policy decisions made by a private business owner.
Stop trying to argue for your policies to be forced upon all business owners by the government.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2020, 01:32:23 PM
He did an interview which he said what he did. And he said he saw it and did things before it became this property. If it was done after I would have no problem with it.
Got it. Thanks
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 01:32:53 PM
And therein lies the problem.
There is no law that supports your "leaning". There's an "In plain sight" exception to the privacy rule. If you opened his top dresser drawer to see the (let's say) drugs, then it would be up to a jury to decide whether that constituted a privacy violation, being that he's the landlord. Otherwise, leaving the drugs out in plain sight negates his claim of privacy knowing you were coming to fix the faucet.
Once again, only YOU can protect your privacy. Don't want it seen, don't stupidly leave it where someone can see it.
I guess we can boil it down to ethics. Just like the abortion argument. We just have different values and opinions.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 01:34:36 PM
In that case yes I would. Unless it appears it was a virus causing that.
Appears?
You wouldn't know it was a virus without investigating and analyzing the pics. Are you willing to spend that time without compensation? You weren't asked to do that. You'd have to get approval first if you want to go further and get paid for it.
You really think if you call a pedo about pictures you need to look deeper into, he'll say, "Sure! Whatever you need to do!" ?? :wacko:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 01:39:08 PM
I guess we can boil it down to ethics. Just like the abortion argument. We just have different values and opinions.
Ethics? Based on what? Morals? Whose morals? Religion? Some unnamed ethical standards that are decided on by the company?
When it comes to information, the only ethics are those that are dictated by the customer and offered by the business. Everything else is up for grabs.
My ethical compass says the owner had a duty to report child porn. The fact he preserved a copy before handing it to the FBI shows he's also not a blind sheeple who still believes the FBI is nonpartisan and trustworthy.
He's a hero in my book. You're putting yourself in Hunter's position, not the repair shop owner's. That says much.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2020, 01:48:13 PM
If someone hired you to fix their computer because liquid was spilled on it, would you not open any folders or programs to double check it works correctly? Or do you just do what you think needs to be done and not test anything?
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 01:50:56 PM
Appears?
You wouldn't know it was a virus without investigating and analyzing the pics. Are you willing to spend that time without compensation? You weren't asked to do that. You'd have to get approval first if you want to go further and get paid for it.
You really think if you call a pedo about pictures you need to look deeper into, he'll say, "Sure! Whatever you need to do!" ?? :wacko:
You are experienced with computers.... if a massive amount of pop-ups of illegal stuff loads and spams on boot that's probably a virus and not some sicko. Wtf regular computer does that? Fuck investigating that would ruin my psychology, I would turn it off say you have a virus or something I'm not willing to delve into. Go to the FBI of you want to salvage data.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 01:52:40 PM
Omni,
If someone hired you to fix their computer because liquid was spilled on it, would you not open any folders or programs to double check it works correctly? Or do you just do what you think needs to be done and not test anything?
I would fix it, and ask for permission to test. Hey can I check for files in x location to test or would you rather you test and let me know.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 01:56:58 PM
Ethics? Based on what? Morals? Whose morals? Religion? Some unnamed ethical standards that are decided on by the company?
When it comes to information, the only ethics are those that are dictated by the customer and offered by the business. Everything else is up for grabs.
My ethical compass says the owner had a duty to report child porn. The fact he preserved a copy before handing it to the FBI shows he's also not a blind sheeple who still believes the FBI is nonpartisan and trustworthy.
He's a hero in my book. You're putting yourself in Hunter's position, not the repair shop owner's. That says much.
Nope my morals are not powered by religion. It's there even a religion based on freedom?
Mine is partly on the Constitution, which clearly values freedom and privacy.
The fact that even fox News said he specifically looked for sex videos with hunter and is proud Republican should offer insight into his motives.
I put myself in trumps shoes when he got his taxes illegally leaked what does that say? Ends doesn't make the means.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2020, 02:02:43 PM
I would fix it, and ask for permission to test. Hey can I check for files in x location to test or would you rather you test and let me know.
We all know Hunter is a crackhead. So I'm gonna say if the shop did offer that explanation, either prior to doing any work or after to test, he said yes. Crackhead doing crackhead things.
As a non IT person, if I bring in something to fix, I expect you to fix it and test to make sure everything is working. I don't expect a call to ask permission to do X or Y. But then again, I do nothing illegal so I got nothing to hide. And I do banking, Amazon, etc... and such on my computer, so there is already a level of trust between us, or I would not have that place fix my computer.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 02:07:34 PM
You are experienced with computers.... if a massive amount of pop-ups of illegal stuff loads and spams on boot that's probably a virus and not some sicko. Wtf regular computer does that? Fuck investigating that would ruin my psychology, I would turn it off say you have a virus or something I'm not willing to delve into. Go to the FBI of you want to salvage data.
Massive pop-ups? That's the only way viruses behave? I was unaware.
I've cleaned hundreds of PCs with massive infestations of viruses. 80% could be cleaned in a few days with no trace left. Other's needed to be reloaded because there could be no risk of it remaining. That meant reinstalling every PC workstation and server on the network.
Most viruses don't do pop-ups. They wait silently, and the only way you know they are there is if you do a scan -- manually or automatically.
Stop pretending to lecture me. My years of experience stack up well against any hypotheticals you can conjure up.
What you would CHOOSE to do is not any kind of "standard." Individuals choose for themselves how far they will go into a disk. Perhaps the drive has important data for which there is no back up? The customer may want it recovered.
If you offer PC services and are unwilling to do work on a virus-infected PC with NO CLUE about the nature of the virus, then you are not a repair shop owner. You're just a guy who knows about computers and is willing to do routine remedies for people who don't understand PCs.
Post by: Inspector on October 21, 2020, 02:18:31 PM
This is the sad state of America.
Yes, YOU ARE the sad state of America. The facts don’t care about your feelings. And no one here does either. Give up the feeling BS and talk to everyone based ONLY on truth and the facts. Grow up. 🤦♂️
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 02:18:33 PM
We all know Hunter is a crackhead. So I'm gonna say if the shop did offer that explanation, either prior to doing any work or after to test, he said yes. Crackhead doing crackhead things.
As a non IT person, if I bring in something to fix, I expect you to fix it and test to make sure everything is working. I don't expect a call to ask permission to do X or Y. But then again, I do nothing illegal so I got nothing to hide. And I do banking, Amazon, etc... and such on my computer, so there is already a level of trust between us, or I would not have that place fix my computer.
Not saying I would call for every single folder. I would just be upfront, When you give me the laptop, I'll just be frank. Hey do you want me to check your files to make sure its all fixed, if you say yes I just mention ok I'll open some documents on desktop and my documents. That's it. If you say you will do the check that's cool. That's your privacy. I am guessing they did not have that level of trust, cause doubt he went there before and well clearly that dude was nosy as fuck.
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 02:21:53 PM
Nope my morals are not powered by religion. It's there even a religion based on freedom?You should start one. OGinianity :shake:
Mine is partly on the Constitution, which clearly values freedom and privacy.
The fact that even fox News said he specifically looked for sex videos with hunter and is proud Republican should offer insight into his motives.
I put myself in trumps shoes when he got his taxes illegally leaked what does that say? Ends doesn't make the means.
:rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 02:23:23 PM
Yes, YOU ARE the sad state of America. The facts don’t care about your feelings. And no one here does either. Give up the feeling BS and talk to everyone based ONLY on truth and the facts. Grow up. 🤦♂️Zactly. We live in reality. I mean we all wish things were different in many regards, but that's not life.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 02:25:50 PM
Massive pop-ups? That's the only way viruses behave? I was unaware.
I've cleaned hundreds of PCs with massive infestations of viruses. 80% could be cleaned in a few days with no trace left. Other's needed to be reloaded because there could be no risk of it remaining. That meant reinstalling every PC workstation and server on the network.
Most viruses don't do pop-ups. They wait silently, and the only way you know they are there is if you do a scan -- manually or automatically.
Stop pretending to lecture me. My years of experience stack up well against any hypotheticals you can conjure up.
What you would CHOOSE to do is not any kind of "standard." Individuals choose for themselves how far they will go into a disk. Perhaps the drive has important data for which there is no back up? The customer may want it recovered.
If you offer PC services and are unwilling to do work on a virus-infected PC with NO CLUE about the nature of the virus, then you are not a repair shop owner. You're just a guy who knows about computers and is willing to do routine remedies for people who don't understand PCs.
Do computers upon startup open hundreds of pop ups of illegal material? If one does, that automatically makes it 99.9% its a malicious program running. I know about how many viruses work. I also know there are some out there trying to fuck over peoples lives. I was just answering Oil's question I didn't even make up this hypothetical....
Not sure how you are pretending there's no malicious intent or bias in this search. Just because the information gained helps your candidate.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 02:27:22 PM
Not saying I would call for every single folder. I would just be upfront, When you give me the laptop, I'll just be frank. Hey do you want me to check your files to make sure its all fixed, if you say yes I just mention ok I'll open some documents on desktop and my documents. That's it. If you say you will do the check that's cool. That's your privacy. I am guessing they did not have that level of trust, cause doubt he went there before and well clearly that dude was nosy as fuck.
Everything after "I'm guessing" is not fact-based. Stop embellishing with speculation and hyperbole.
Either discuss the FACTS without editorial "guessing", or don't even try. These conversations last as long as they do because you have to inject your opinion or assumption ever other post -- or more.
I have NEVER asked permission to open anyone's files on PCs I fixed -- gov't, business or personal. They know that by handing me the PC, they are IMPLYING I can do whatever I need to evaluate, repair and test the PC so it's no longer broken. If they left incriminating evidence on it, they are not only careless, but they are now leaving it up to me to turn them in or not.
That decision might hinge on my like or dislike of the person, but those POSSIBLE motives are irrelevant. They affect my decision only to the extent I allow them to, and you can't show any evidence the shop owner's decision was swayed by his politics. Period.
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 02:27:56 PM
Zactly. We live in reality. I mean we all wish things were different in many regards, but that's not life.
Alright I will keep this in mind the next time similar happens. Lets see if your opinions change or don't change. If there is a similar unethical leak of information lets see what you say. What are your opinions on the leak of trumps taxes?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 02:28:33 PM
You should start one. OGinianity :shake:
:rofl:
He's Omnipotent. We need to start the religion...
...to worship HIM!
OmniGod
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 02:29:26 PM
Everything after "I'm guessing" is not fact-based. Stop embellishing with speculation and hyperbole.
Either discuss the FACTS without editorial "guessing", or don't even try. These conversations last as long as they do because you have to inject your opinion or assumption ever other post -- or more.
I have NEVER asked permission to open anyone's files on PCs I fixed -- gov't, business or personal. They know that by handing me the PC, they are IMPLYING I can do whatever I need to evaluate, repair and test the PC so it's no longer broken. If they left incriminating evidence on it, they are not only careless, but they are now leaving it up to me to turn them in or not.
That decision might hinge on my like or dislike of the person, but those POSSIBLE motives are irrelevant. They affect my decision only to the extent I allow them to, and you can't show any evidence the shop owner's decision was swayed by his politics. Period.
You do know he did an interview where it shows his state of mind....
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 02:32:20 PM
Do computers upon startup open hundreds of pop ups of illegal material? If one does, that automatically makes it 99.9% its a malicious program running. I know about how many viruses work. I also know there are some out there trying to fuck over peoples lives. I was just answering Oil's question I didn't even make up this hypothetical....
Not sure how you are pretending there's no malicious intent or bias in this search. Just because the information gained helps your candidate.
**IF** is the signal for a HYPOTHETICAL. Is there any evidence Hunter's laptop actually had "massive pop-ups?"
If not, then nothing you are arguing about is relevant. :sleeping:
You can't win a debate if all you have is "guess", "if", and "What I would do."
Just stop.
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 02:37:45 PM
Do computers upon startup open hundreds of pop ups of illegal material? If one does, that automatically makes it 99.9% its a malicious program running. I know about how many viruses work. I also know there are some out there trying to fuck over peoples lives. I was just answering Oil's question I didn't even make up this hypothetical....Where's your proof that there is? Tangible proof?
Not sure how you are pretending there's no malicious intent or bias in this search. Just because the information gained helps your candidate.
Yeah, I am laughing at the computer thing with Biden. It almost (ALMOST) seems to stupid to be true, but that's life.
Alright I will keep this in mind the next time similar happens. Lets see if your opinions change or don't change. If there is a similar unethical leak of information lets see what you say. What are your opinions on the leak of trumps taxes?First, calm down. Breathe. . .
My opinions change from time to time.
Leak of Trump's taxes? If they were of his own fault and it showed illegal conduct, he should fact the music. He's had so many "anonymous" leaks. The point there is that Trump gets judged based on appearance of impropriety, but it's unfair for Biden? An illegal search is an illegal search. I haven't read into the details of that, hence I'm not commenting on that. However, there does seem to be a lot of incriminating stuff.
Anyways, you were going on and on about how the crimes of the son shouldn't reflect on the father. My point there was in the Biden's case, it does. Or at least appears to be, because you know, innocent until proven guilty. Good thing the House doesn't operate the same way, where they already had their mind made up based on "feelings".
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 02:41:36 PM
You do know he did an interview where it shows his state of mind....
Oh, I guess if he admitted his state of mind, then we need to arrest him for ..... what exactly? Turning over evidence on someone he didn't like?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2020, 03:47:07 PM
Oh, I guess if he admitted his state of mind, then we need to arrest him for ..... what exactly? Turning over evidence on someone he didn't like?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Just trying to navigate your morals and ethics. I just have to remember when it comes to privacy your views its the own persons fault. And in general you are not much of a privacy fan. (abortion isn't a privacy matter etc)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 03:56:40 PM
Just trying to navigate your morals and ethics. I just have to remember when it comes to privacy your views its the own persons fault. And in general you are not much of a privacy fan. (abortion isn't a privacy matter etc)
Why are you so worried about my morals and ethics? If you must know, my ethics are way above average, almost to the point of still being a Boy Scout.
I'm a fan of privacy. No idea why you'd think otherwise.
What I'm not a fan of is refusing to take responsibility when you do something stupid that risks your privacy. The country doesn't owe you your rights. The only protection they must provide is that of preventing the GOVERNMENT from violating them.
I'm also not a fan of allowing felons to continue committing crime over some "no exceptions" belief in the sanctity of personal privacy.
I was delivering pizza, and as the guy at the door paid, I glanced over his shoulder and saw a woman bound, gagged and bloody.
(https://i.imgur.com/GbcjQJT.png?1)
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 08:52:51 PM
Can’t be true...
Post by: macsak on October 21, 2020, 08:56:24 PM
Three Red Banners
Can’t be true...
#tinfoil
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 08:59:27 PM
#tinfoilIf anything, comments on the “discussion” of that are super entertaining. Some pretty savage comments about Hunter Biden and “lines”
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2020, 09:05:11 PM
#tinfoilGetting closer to being in the club.
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Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 09:06:48 PM
Getting closer to being in the club.It’ll mess up my satellite reception 😳
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:rofl:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2020, 09:10:15 PM
It’ll mess up my satellite reception 😳
:rofl:
Actually, you won't need an antenna anymore .....
DirectTV ... literally! :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2020, 09:15:52 PM
Actually, you won't need an antenna anymore .....Like, for realz? Dude!
DirectTV ... literally! :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2020, 10:02:28 PM
It’ll mess up my satellite receptionAmplify it.
:rofl:
Mmmooooaaarrer ammmpppsss
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Post by: drck1000 on October 22, 2020, 07:26:12 AM
Amplify it.I gotta get the specs in the booster from the #realexperts then ;D
Mmmooooaaarrer ammmpppsss
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Post by: drck1000 on October 22, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
https://youtu.be/uhKyTI1-7g4
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Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 22, 2020, 08:40:56 PM
Or just a crackhead doing crackhead things.
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Possible, but that would only explain 2 out of the list of odd circumstances
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 22, 2020, 09:23:20 PM
Where do you get your facts? MSNBC? Rachel Madcow?
Various sources. Unlike some others here I don't look only to source that will tell me what I want to hear. But as to MSNBC specifically, rarely to almost never
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Legally blind? Do you know what that even means?
MacIsaac admitted he was unable to confirm it was actually Hunter Biden who dropped off the laptop because he is "legally blind" and only realized it was the former vice president's son when Hunter stated his name for the point of contact.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-new-york-post-story/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/man-who-reportedly-gave-hunters-laptop-to-rudy-speaks-out-in-bizarre-interview (has recording of interview)
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The "personal information" BS is just that. If I give you my personal information because you need it, you have a duty to protect it. If you voluntarily or accidentally give me personal information without me asking for it or saying I need it, that's 100% your fault, and I have no duty to protect it. If I found your paycheck stub on the sidewalk, and posted it on Instagram, your pay info, personal data, SSN, etc would now be public. Nothing you can do. I did not steal it.
Most repair shops have a disclaimer you have to sign saying they are not responsible for any data you give them, and that they may have to destroy it. Looking in a hard drive at the things someone stores is snooping, but it's not illegal. Now if the owner tried to blackmail the Bidens to get it back or have it go public, that would be illegal.
Clearly a repair place has been given permission to access a device that people pay them to fix so you are correct, no legal violation because they snooped around. However releasing that information out to the public opens one up to at least some civil liability. If I found your wallet and posted your credit card number or social security number online are you going to say that there is nothing you could do against me? Giuliani being a lawyer isn't some magical Trump card. Plus notice how I said "possibly" violates laws. I didn't say that he did for certain. Do you know all federal, state, and city laws that would apply to that store owner? Are you sure the store owner did? Pretty big gamble unless he was sure.
Let's refocus here though, the issue is not whether he broke a law or part of the contract, the issue is whether such a thing is plausible, that a store owner would go around releasing customer's personal information to private individuals. That is a red flag in the story. Maybe the owner just is that slimy and unethical, a possibility but still a red flag.
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BTW, the identity of who dropped the PC off for repair is irrelevant. It's been said it may have likely been a staffer at the Beau Biden Foundation. All that matters is that it was left there and never retrieved -- ever. There's also evidence the Biden's lawyer called the repair shop last week and asked for the laptop back. If the owner's evidence proves that happened, then the lawyer has already confirmed the laptop is authentic. Why else would he be calling to claim property? He must own it, or that would be illegal.
Not irrelevant at all. The owner being legally blind offers a margin for plausible deniability. It makes the story harder to attack, awfully convenient. And the store owner appears to be a Trump supporter. Nothing wrong with that, but something to consider. In looking through current stories I haven't seen any detail as to the evidence that someone called to pick up the laptop. Is there a voicemail or is it just the store owner's word or something?
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So far, nobody on the Biden campaign has denied the authenticity of the emails and other data on the laptop. Today, the Director of National Intelligence, Ratcliff, said they have NO EVIDENCE that the Biden emails are part of any Russian disinformation campaign. Meanwhile, the MSM and Adam Schiff said today they KNOW this came from the Kremlin. You know, the same Schiff that said sufficient evidence of Trump colluding with Russia was in the public domain? Still waiting for that evidence to make its way to the light of day.
Again, I am not saying the whole story is fake, I am only saying that there are quite a few red flags to this story, quite a few convenient circumstances. I am not making up my mind about this yet, it is too early to form an informed opinion with so many allegations and so little confirmed facts. Sometimes the craziest stories end up being completely true so it is possible but any objective person can see there are things here to be suspicious of. Maybe parts of this are true and parts of it aren't, who knows? A good lie always contains elements of the truth. I didn't even list all the red flags in this story either.
Don't be afraid to question the story just because you want it to be true. This one is just a little too perfect so far. It would be impossible to create such a fake story for the purposes of helping the election either.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 22, 2020, 09:25:21 PM
I just read that the MAC shop that had Hunter Biden’s computer also released the receipt for the computer signed by Hunter Biden to the FBI. And now the news agencies has that document. I saw a pic of it. I think that takes all doubt off the table as to whether it is Hunter Biden’s laptop or not. :rofl:
Depends. Handwriting analysis is more complicated than the movies make it out to be.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 22, 2020, 09:28:25 PM
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Post by: drck1000 on October 22, 2020, 09:52:20 PM
So Biden wants Biden Care. What could go wrong. Keep your plan, rates wont skyrocket.Should ask how he feels about dementia being removed from list of pre-existing conditions.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 22, 2020, 10:02:10 PM
Depends. Handwriting analysis is more complicated than the movies make it out to be.
You honestly think someone one would forge a document with this kind of publicity?
This isn't Adam Schiff we're talking about!
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 22, 2020, 11:51:16 PM
Post by: hvybarrels on October 22, 2020, 11:52:08 PM
You honestly think someone one would forge a document with this kind of publicity?
This isn't Adam Schiff we're talking about!
It is much easier to distract with evidence-free conspiracy theories than it is to admit Joe got caught selling the services of his office to hostile foreign powers. At this point he cannot be president, but the plan is to hold his campaign together long enough to get him in office so he can step down and get replaced by the creepy laugh lady. After which the media will apologize for propping up such a dirty old crook and promise us that they have learned from their mistakes and will never lie again.
Post by: Inspector on October 23, 2020, 04:55:58 AM
You honestly think someone one would forge a document with this kind of publicity?I watched a video on YouTube this morning. It is from an Australian news agency. They interviewed Steve Bannon who I think is not always credible but has been 100% right and truthful regarding this particular subject due to his being an insider to this whole discovery. He claims there is an email that shows Hunter Biden tried to get the hard drive back from the shop after the shop owner tried numerous times to give the computer back to Hunter without a response from Hunter and after the computer was turned over to the FBI. If true, why would he try to get the hard drive back after ignoring weeks of emails from the owner and after the owner turned it over to the FBI if it was not his?
This isn't Adam Schiff we're talking about!
At this point the evidence is overwhelmingly against Hunter and Joe. Anyone who is still denying this is just a dick trying to troll you.
Post by: drck1000 on October 23, 2020, 11:46:25 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-claim-americans-private-health-insurance-obamacare-debunked
Post by: Inspector on October 23, 2020, 12:40:46 PM
Politifact now checking facts on Biden and finding inconsistencies? No effing way!!! (sarcasm for youFixed it for you.... :rofl:Sheldon CoopersOmniguns out there)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-claim-americans-private-health-insurance-obamacare-debunked
Post by: drck1000 on October 23, 2020, 12:47:08 PM
Fixed it for you.... :rofl:>:D
Post by: omnigun on October 23, 2020, 12:59:34 PM
Politifact now checking facts on Biden and finding inconsistencies? No effing way!!! (sarcasm for you Sheldon Coopers out there)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-claim-americans-private-health-insurance-obamacare-debunked
That why fact checkers exist. Find da facts.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 23, 2020, 01:49:25 PM
That why fact checkers exist. Find da facts.
That why? Find da facts?
Really?
My 2 year old has a better vocabulary.
Fact checkers don't have any special qualifications. They lie and make mistakes. Snopes started out as a trusted site, then became almost totally far left progressive.
If you trust someone because they have a title, let me introduce you to the former US President and former Secretary of State:
(https://i.imgur.com/Zoo2VG7.jpg)
Post by: drck1000 on October 23, 2020, 04:33:40 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 23, 2020, 09:37:08 PM
You honestly think someone one would forge a document with this kind of publicity?
This isn't Adam Schiff we're talking about!
I am saying it is possible, especially if it were well orchestrated. I don't know the details of the alleged signature but if it were an electronic signature or just a copy of the original signature, then a lot of important information can be missing and would be easier to fake.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 23, 2020, 09:43:56 PM
I am saying it is possible, especially if it were well orchestrated. I don't know the details of the alleged signature but if it were an electronic signature or just a copy of the original signature, then a lot of important information can be missing and would be easier to fake.
You can live in the land of make believe. I'm fine over here in reality world.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 23, 2020, 09:44:42 PM
It is much easier to distract with evidence-free conspiracy theories than it is to admit Joe got caught selling the services of his office to hostile foreign powers. At this point he cannot be president, but the plan is to hold his campaign together long enough to get him in office so he can step down and get replaced by the creepy laugh lady. After which the media will apologize for propping up such a dirty old crook and promise us that they have learned from their mistakes and will never lie again.
Look at the story with a critical eye. You have to admit that even if all of it were true the circumstances are suspicious. I am not saying the laptop story is fake but it is also too early to say it is real. Real or fake, Giuliani is throwing this out to the public for people to jump on and get whatever benefit Trump can in the election. Unfortunately an in depth investigation takes time and isn't usually as exciting for all the people who just want to hear bad things about their opponent.
Again, it could be real but it also could be fake. Just keep an open mind
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 23, 2020, 09:45:14 PM
You can live in the land of make believe. I'm fine over here in reality world.
Oh, so you are a handwriting expert now?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 23, 2020, 10:01:33 PM
Oh, so you are a handwriting expert now?
Apparently you believe YOU are.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 23, 2020, 10:04:06 PM
Apparently you believe YOU are.
I know enough to know it is possible. What makes you so sure it couldn't be done? Why are you so scared to consider that maybe this laptop revelation might not be what Giuliani is telling us it is?
Post by: omnigun on October 23, 2020, 10:13:30 PM
I know enough to know it is possible. What makes you so sure it couldn't be done? Why are you so scared to consider that maybe this laptop revelation might not be what Giuliani is telling us it is?
Don't question anything that is pro trump is his personal motto. Though if its pro democrats it must be all fakenews, question everything.
Post by: hvybarrels on October 24, 2020, 12:41:34 AM
Look at the story with a critical eye. You have to admit that even if all of it were true the circumstances are suspicious. I am not saying the laptop story is fake but it is also too early to say it is real. Real or fake, Giuliani is throwing this out to the public for people to jump on and get whatever benefit Trump can in the election. Unfortunately an in depth investigation takes time and isn't usually as exciting for all the people who just want to hear bad things about their opponent.
Again, it could be real but it also could be fake. Just keep an open mind
Of course it is true. Why else would the media and silicon valley work so hard to suppress it? Unlike the false Russian collusion narrative that they carelessly attacked the President with, this story has legs and is a serious threat to their guy. The naked favoritism of an outright ban was a total panic maneuver which permanently changed the public perception of media, and when Trump wins I look forward to a long overdue modification of section 230 since it has been so clearly demonstrated that "good faith" does not exist.
Post by: omnigun on October 24, 2020, 06:13:03 AM
Of course it is true. Why else would the media and silicon valley work so hard to suppress it? Unlike the false Russian collusion narrative that they carelessly attacked the President with, this story has legs and is a serious threat to their guy. The naked favoritism of an outright ban was a total panic maneuver which permanently changed the public perception of media, and when Trump wins I look forward to a long overdue modification of section 230 since it has been so clearly demonstrated that "good faith" does not exist.
Say you do modifiy section 230. What would you specifically change? What wording change would fix this injustice you see but not eliminate Facebook?
Post by: astroboy on October 24, 2020, 10:36:28 AM
https://youtu.be/SkIoIsSbg1g
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 24, 2020, 10:46:11 AM
I am saying it is possible, especially if it were well orchestrated. I don't know the details of the alleged signature but if it were an electronic signature or just a copy of the original signature, then a lot of important information can be missing and would be easier to fake.So FBI has said laptop since December and not made a statement that contents are fake. Or did they bury it and got caught? So now trying to make like theyre on it.
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Post by: hvybarrels on October 24, 2020, 10:54:15 AM
Say you do modifiy section 230. What would you specifically change? What wording change would fix this injustice you see but not eliminate Facebook?
Facebook is trying to put a smiley face on the chinese model of social control and impose it on the united states by working with the deep state to directly influence elections. They deserve to be eliminated.
Post by: Inspector on October 24, 2020, 10:55:50 AM
Facebook is trying to put a smiley face on the chinese model of social control and impose it on the united states by working with the deep state to directly influence elections. They deserve to be eliminated.As much as I enjoy FB I think the world would be a better place without it. I know could certainly live without it.
Post by: omnigun on October 24, 2020, 11:32:40 AM
As much as I enjoy FB I think the world would be a better place without it. I know could certainly live without it.
Facebook is trying to put a smiley face on the chinese model of social control and impose it on the united states by working with the deep state to directly influence elections. They deserve to be eliminated.
Ok I think you guys went off the deep red end. For one I don't belive much of the deep state things. Second China is nothing like Facebook. Facebook isn't even allowed in China. The government doesn't control Facebook. Facebook doesn't even control the fact checkers. Which the deletion of posts are based on.
Post by: Jl808 on October 24, 2020, 11:39:56 AM
Have you ever heard of China censorship?
Post by: Inspector on October 24, 2020, 11:44:20 AM
Ok I think you guys went off the deep red end. For one I don't belive much of the deep state things. Second China is nothing like Facebook. Facebook isn't even allowed in China. The government doesn't control Facebook. Facebook doesn't even control the fact checkers. Which the deletion of posts are based on.Oh boy. This guy has been brainwashed more than I first thought. 🤦♂️
Post by: omnigun on October 24, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
Omg omnigun. Have you ever been in China?
Have you ever heard of China censorship?
I've never been there physically but I know people who lived and had a ex she was from there.
Their censorship is nothing even remotely close to Facebook. They control what's on the internet. They have the "Great firewall of China". They can scrub news from the internet in a matter of hours. They can track everyone. Most of their news is government news. Written specifically to boost the government.
Don't like Facebook you can go to another site, can't do that in China. Post something in the usa, most of the time the worst they can do is remove it. China tracks you and takes you to jail.
Post by: omnigun on October 24, 2020, 11:48:43 AM
Oh boy. This guy has been brainwashed more than I first thought. 🤦♂️
Sometimes I think the same of you.
Post by: drck1000 on October 24, 2020, 11:55:03 AM
https://youtu.be/y8rOX8kgmgA
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 24, 2020, 12:03:23 PM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2020, 12:25:45 PM
New York Post
October 20, 2020
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China is one of the most censorious societies on Earth. So what better place
for Facebook to recruit social media censors?
There are at least half a dozen “Chinese nationals who are working on censorship,”
a former Facebook insider told me last week. “So at some point, they [Facebook
bosses] thought, ‘Hey, we’re going to get them H-1B visas so they can do this work.’ ”
The insider shared an internal directory of the team that does much of this work.
It’s called Hate-Speech Engineering (George Orwell, call your office), and most of
its members are based at Facebook’s offices in Seattle. Many have Ph.D.s, and their
work is extremely complex, involving machine learning — teaching “computers how
to learn and act without being explicitly programmed,” as the techy website DeepAI.org
puts it.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/20/meet-your-chinese-facebook-censors/
Post by: Inspector on October 24, 2020, 12:40:37 PM
Sometimes I think the same of you.Awwwww, did I hurt your poor little feelings? :rofl:
Post by: Jl808 on October 24, 2020, 01:13:29 PM
I've never been there physically but I know people who lived and had a ex she was from there.Ok gotcha. I misread / misunderstood what you wrote before.
Their censorship is nothing even remotely close to Facebook. They control what's on the internet. They have the "Great firewall of China". They can scrub news from the internet in a matter of hours. They can track everyone. Most of their news is government news. Written specifically to boost the government.
Don't like Facebook you can go to another site, can't do that in China. Post something in the usa, most of the time the worst they can do is remove it. China tracks you and takes you to jail.
I’ve been physically in China and the Great Firewall of China is real.
Post by: hvybarrels on October 24, 2020, 01:20:30 PM
Ok I think you guys went off the deep red end.
Maybe you would feel more at home with the elitists at the Civil Beat comment section instead of mucking around with us commoners
Post by: omnigun on October 24, 2020, 01:25:25 PM
Maybe you would feel more at home with the elitists at the Civil Beat comment section instead of mucking around with us commoners
No they crazy liberals, you guys are crazy conservatives. So rather have you guys. Liberals are worse.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2020, 01:27:05 PM
Maybe you would feel more at home with the elitists at the Civil Beat comment section instead of mucking around with us commoners
It's a typical retreat tactic. Blame THE OTHER SIDE of being lemmings for the simple fact that we refuse to accept fake, false, misleading, and biased information as "sources", in the face of which we must either change our minds or be labeled with some political trope.
I'm proud to have ALWAYS -- since high school -- been on the right. My state of NC was almost all long-time Democrats. I asked my mother why she registered and voted Democrat, and she said because the Democrats care about poor people and the middle class more than Republicans. I said, "So, in all the years you've been voting Democrats into office, what have they actually DONE for the poor and middle class?"
A few years later, she, like many others in NC, started voting Republican.
Democrats assume their dependent classes will always vote for them. No need to live up to their promises. If they did, what would they have left to promise next election cycle?
Post by: omnigun on October 24, 2020, 01:28:21 PM
Meet your (Chinese) Facebook censors
New York Post
October 20, 2020
https://nypost.com/2020/10/20/meet-your-chinese-facebook-censors/
Ah yes a opinion article from a right leading site based on what "people" told them. Must be true.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2020, 01:28:57 PM
No they crazy liberals, you guys are crazy conservatives. So rather have you guys. Liberals are worse.
Thanks for being here to share your "less crazy" Liberal views with us. It just makes our lives so much more balanced.
:crazy:
Post by: omnigun on October 24, 2020, 01:29:44 PM
It's a typical retreat tactic. Blame THE OTHER SIDE of being lemmings for the simple fact that we refuse to accept fake, false, misleading, and biased information as "sources", in the face of which we must either change our minds or be labeled with some political trope.
I'm proud to have ALWAYS -- since high school -- been on the right. My state of NC was almost all long-time Democrats. I asked my mother why she registered and voted Democrat, and she said because the Democrats care about poor people and the middle class more than Republicans. I said, "So, in all the years you've been voting Democrats into office, what have they actually DONE for the poor and middle class?"
A few years later, she, like many others in NC, started voting Republican.
Democrats assume their dependent classes will always vote for them. No need to live up to their promises. If they did, what would they have left to promise next election cycle?
You literally posted what you do but from the other side. As someone in the center I can see both sides do this to each other and it's a bit ridiculous.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2020, 01:29:51 PM
Ah yes a opinion article from a right leading site based on what "people" told them. Must be true.
Other than the fact you offered nothing to refute a single fact stated in the article, your argument is very compelling.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2020, 01:31:11 PM
You literally posted what you do but from the other side. As someone in the center I can see both sides do this to each other and it's a bit ridiculous.
I'm sure from your perspective of always being right, and anyone posting the opposite opinion must be wrong, it appears that way to you.
None is so blind than he who will not see.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2020, 01:33:46 PM
You literally posted what you do but from the other side. As someone in the center I can see both sides do this to each other and it's a bit ridiculous.
I bet if I go back and look, EEF posted your exact words many times, about how he's Libertarian or Independent, how he tries to be objective and take in both sides then decide for himself.
Yet, all you two do is regurgitate the same ideals and talking points the MSM feeds you as if that's the Gospel.
Spare us the "I'm better than you, because I don't listen to one side or the other," bullcrap.
Post by: omnigun on October 24, 2020, 01:45:03 PM
I'm sure from your perspective of always being right, and anyone posting the opposite opinion must be wrong, it appears that way to you.
None is so blind than he who will not see.
And what makes your perspective always right? And mine always wrong because you think it not me?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2020, 01:52:25 PM
And what makes your perspective always right? And mine always wrong because you think it not me?
Because you're unable to support your position with anything more than biased opinion sources, your personal opinions and "feelings."
Common sense drives most of my initial opinions, and time usually proves me right. That gives me confidence that my judgment and reasoning are sound.
You speak from academic, "devil's advocate" points of view, almost exactly like EEF. You also think posting the exact same opinion over and over somehow makes it more likely to be accepted. Repetition is a Liberal tactic. Tell the same lie enough times, it becomes truth. The MSM learned this. Hitler's Propagandists coined that saying.
My perspective is broad and backed-up by years of experience. I realize you are impatient and don't want to wait for that stage of life, but there are no shortcuts. Life experience offers more education than having a PhD from Harvard.
Post by: omnigun on October 24, 2020, 02:42:26 PM
Because you're unable to support your position with anything more than biased opinion sources, your personal opinions and "feelings."
Common sense drives most of my initial opinions, and time usually proves me right. That gives me confidence that my judgment and reasoning are sound.
You speak from academic, "devil's advocate" points of view, almost exactly like EEF. You also think posting the exact same opinion over and over somehow makes it more likely to be accepted. Repetition is a Liberal tactic. Tell the same lie enough times, it becomes truth. The MSM learned this. Hitler's Propagandists coined that saying.
My perspective is broad and backed-up by years of experience. I realize you are impatient and don't want to wait for that stage of life, but there are no shortcuts. Life experience offers more education than having a PhD from Harvard.
Lol I doubt this
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2020, 03:19:17 PM
Lol I doubt this
That's called "an opinion." Doesn't hold any water considering the source.
Ever work for the government or a large corporation? Most agencies have education requirements in every positions' job description. Top descriptions often say, "Must have X degree **OR** may substitute Y years of appropriate experience in lieu of degree."
In my IT positions, a BA/BS could be waived for 3-5 years experience, a Master's Degree could be waived for a BA/BS plus 5-10 years, and a PhD waived for a Master's plus 10+ years.
Ever wonder why there are so many companies interested if you interned or co-op'ed with a company in college? Because real world, hands on experience in a business setting is better than having a degree alone.
Get a grip on your opinions.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2020, 03:24:59 PM
My salary history tops out at $156,800/year plus benefits and fringe package "perks".
Yeah. Doubt all you want.
Post by: aieahound on October 24, 2020, 03:33:54 PM
OmniGun, for the record, I have a BA degree in Computer Science from 1984,
Is 1984 an accredited university ?
Post by: robtmc on October 24, 2020, 03:43:21 PM
a PhD waived for a Master's plus 10+ years.A PhD doing IT stuff???? :shake:
Reminded of some TV commercials of job interviews for a job requiring computer skill. One little dork babbles away about all the video games he plays, the airhead millennial chick babbles about all the social media crap............etc.
Post by: omnigun on October 24, 2020, 03:57:42 PM
That's called "an opinion." Doesn't hold any water considering the source.
Ever work for the government or a large corporation? Most agencies have education requirements in every positions' job description. Top descriptions often say, "Must have X degree **OR** may substitute Y years of appropriate experience in lieu of degree."
In my IT positions, a BA/BS could be waived for 3-5 years experience, a Master's Degree could be waived for a BA/BS plus 5-10 years, and a PhD waived for a Master's plus 10+ years.
Ever wonder why there are so many companies interested if you interned or co-op'ed with a company in college? Because real world, hands on experience in a business setting is better than having a degree alone.
Get a grip on your opinions.
I have a degree, I do work in that and I not saying experience doesn't matter. You falsely said degrees don't matter as much as experience. Just pointed that out. Also the position I have requires a degree no substitutions.
Post by: omnigun on October 24, 2020, 04:02:26 PM
OmniGun, for the record, I have a BA degree in Computer Science from 1984, obtained using an AFROTC 4-year full scholarship. I have some graduate level classes, but separated from the Air Force before getting my MBA. The university wanted $1,000 per credit hour for out of state tuition. I was paying in-state at $300 per class ($100/credit hour). Never went back to finish, because of travel and no real need.
My salary history tops out at $156,800/year plus benefits and fringe package "perks".
Yeah. Doubt all you want.
Congrats, hopefully I follow a similar path and end up around there in retirement. The whole point I was making was both education and experience matters. It isn't a one or another approach. Many jobs require and unable to substitute a degree to be able to work a position (government).
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2020, 04:31:41 PM
I have a degree, I do work in that and I not saying experience doesn't matter. You falsely said degrees don't matter as much as experience. Just pointed that out. Also the position I have requires a degree no substitutions.
I "falsely said"? No, it's the truth. in fact, the way tuition and student debt is holding people in your age bracket down, it would be smarter to avoid college altogether until you have a job that can pay for it without life-crushing debt.
The position you have? That's not broad enough. You need to show me that's the norm across the industry. I know that's not the case.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2020, 04:33:04 PM
Let's get back on topic, or start another thread,
:stopjack:
Post by: drck1000 on October 24, 2020, 05:19:21 PM
Post by: drck1000 on October 24, 2020, 05:21:38 PM
https://youtu.be/MIYDcEZTNZs
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 24, 2020, 05:41:36 PM
Is 1984 an accredited university ?Wait they had computers and iphones in 1984?
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2020, 06:51:27 PM
Wait they had computers and iphones in 1984?
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No iPhones. CB radios. :thumbsup:
Lots of mainframe computers -- mostly larger than would fit in the average living room. Home computers had just hit the consumer markets in 1977. The #1 selling PC was the TRS-80 series from Radio Shack (Tandy brand). IBM DOS was created by Microsoft and released in 1981. There were other brands of DOS for home PCs, but MS-DOS became the standard thru 1995.
I bought a Commodore 64 in 1987. Loved that thing!
Post by: robtmc on October 24, 2020, 06:55:07 PM
Wait they had computers and iphones in 1984?Naw, we had Fortran and IBM 360's in the early 80's, you know, real programming and computers, punch cards. No terminals, no graphics unless you were really good with ASCII.
Sort of stuff, that the mere idea of gives Mac users seizures.
Bought my first IBM PC circa 1984, booting from floppys and all that terrifying command line stuff.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 24, 2020, 06:59:38 PM
Naw, we had Fortran and IBM 360's in the early 80's, you know, real programming and computers, punch cards.
Sort of stuff, that the mere idea of gives Mac users seizures.
Bought my first IBM PC circa 1984, booting from floppys and all that terrifying command line stuff.
I started my programming classes my Spring Semester Freshman year -- FORTRAN. :geekdanc:
There seemed to always be that one student in my class who had a home PC, normally a "Trash" 80, and didn't have to compete for a terminal to do his projects. I'm glad there was one less student fighting over terminals and punch card machines, but still......
Honeywell 6000 with modem access to the NC Research Triangle's IBM 360. Uses my C-64 the last semester as a dial-up terminal. 300 baud! Woo hoo!! :rofl:
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 24, 2020, 08:21:22 PM
Of course it is true. Why else would the media and silicon valley work so hard to suppress it? Unlike the false Russian collusion narrative that they carelessly attacked the President with, this story has legs and is a serious threat to their guy. The naked favoritism of an outright ban was a total panic maneuver which permanently changed the public perception of media, and when Trump wins I look forward to a long overdue modification of section 230 since it has been so clearly demonstrated that "good faith" does not exist.
Facebook allegedly helping Biden by banning the story doesn't prove the story is true.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 24, 2020, 08:22:58 PM
So FBI has said laptop since December and not made a statement that contents are fake. Or did they bury it and got caught? So now trying to make like theyre on it.
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When does the FBI ever comment about ongoing investigations or make such comments. This type of investigation can take a long time. We have no idea whether the FBI was sitting on it, doing nothing, or whether they were actively pursuing it and chasing leads.
Post by: Inspector on October 25, 2020, 02:40:59 AM
https://thenationalpulse.com/politics/joe-biden-texts-hunter-chinese-partner/?fbclid=IwAR203mbZn6MaeqAzjGKw9nALkWFl9r_4dSx6mmpb3zjTii64qjiEOIsnYLQ
Post by: ren on October 25, 2020, 07:46:14 AM
Post by: drck1000 on October 25, 2020, 11:03:32 AM
SNIP:o
I pointed out something similar in the debate thread. I noticed how Trump would be looking directly at Biden as Biden spoke. But Biden was normally looking down as Trump spoke and sometimes seemed to be mouthing words. I thought that was pretty strange, but consistent.
Another thing that this video highlighted was how Biden (and maybe his handlers :P ) tried to twist what Trump said. Seems to be a common tactic and Trump caught Biden on the Abraham Lincoln thing and a couple of others.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 25, 2020, 11:09:58 AM
Um, the whole idea of using family to funnel money to you is so there's no direct trail leading to you as VP. If you're hiding income, you aren't going to put that ON YOUR TAX RETURNS.
This shows how STUPID these Democrat swamp critters think we all are. Since their voters see this kind of crap all the time and still reelect then, the Dems kind of have a point. :crazy:
Post by: drck1000 on October 25, 2020, 11:15:46 AM
I like how Biden says, "Look at my taxes! I released them all. I didn't take a single cent from any foreign country!"He believed he’s untouchable. Well, he forgot his crackhead son.
Um, the whole idea of using family to funnel money to you is so there's no direct trail leading to you as VP. If you're hiding income, you aren't going to put that ON YOUR TAX RETURNS.
This shows how STUPID these Democrat swamp critters think we all are. Since their voters see this kind of crap all the time and still reelect then, the Dems kind of have a point. :crazy:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 25, 2020, 11:30:57 AM
He believed he’s untouchable. Well, he forgot his crackhead son.
True.
The issue is not Hunter, even though his father enabled his drug abuse and human trafficking while a Senator passing laws that put tens of thousands of young Black men in prison for doing the same. This is about a political office holder who is a national security risk. Anytime there is a secret in someone's life, an opponent such as a foreign country could easily use the family member as leverage against Biden.
This is the same thing the Dems warned us of regarding Trump -- that his supposed shenanigans with prostitutes in Russia were a source of blackmail.
I think there's evidence that Joe took money under the table. So, the "Joe's not Hunter" deflection fails in both regards. Joe broke the law, and Hunter made Joe a security risk.
Post by: drck1000 on October 25, 2020, 11:39:52 AM
True.Ya, completely agree. Hunter is not even a symptom. Hunter is the itch that is an indicator of the symptom, which I believe leads to a whole lot more. Wait, I am allowed to share what I believe, right?
The issue is not Hunter, even though his father enabled his drug abuse and human trafficking while a Senator passing laws that put tens of thousands of young Black men in prison for doing the same. This is about a political office holder who is a national security risk. Anytime there is a secret in someone's life, an opponent such as a foreign country could easily use the family member as leverage against Biden.
This is the same thing the Dems warned us of regarding Trump -- that his supposed shenanigans with prostitutes in Russia were a source of blackmail.
I think there's evidence that Joe took money under the table. So, the "Joe's not Hunter" deflection fails in both regards. Joe broke the law, and Hunter made Joe a security risk.
Those without security clearance perhaps can't fathom there's non-tangible threats out there. . .
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 25, 2020, 11:43:46 AM
Ya, completely agree. Hunter is not even a symptom. Hunter is the itch that is an indicator of the symptom, which I believe leads to a whole lot more. Wait, I am allowed to share what I believe, right?
Those without security clearance perhaps can't fathom there's non-tangible threats out there. . .
What Hunter represents is the Swamp that Trump has been trying to dismantle this whole time. Trump even said his #1 surprise as President is how deep and broad the level of corruption is in DC.
Hunter demonstrates the "Laws for thee, bu not for me" attitude in DC. The elitists there protect their own from the laws they use to go after ever other non-Democrat and peon in the country.
Yes, Hunter is a symptom -- of many things that Trump has only been able to make a small dent in this first term. The fact that the FBI sat on Hunter's laptop for 6 months is proof of that.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 25, 2020, 12:03:37 PM
"Can I change my vote?"
Since there's been no real October surprise involving Trump, I can safely assume this is coming from people, for the most part, who've already submitted a ballot with Joe Biden selected for President.
Another reason why the Dems pushed so hard for mail-in and early voting. The less you know about Biden before voting, the better for him.
Post by: groveler on October 25, 2020, 12:35:35 PM
Since the debate last week, the number one trending search phrase on Google has been"Can I change my vote?"
"Can I change my vote?"
Since there's been no real October surprise involving Trump, I can safely assume this is coming from people, for the most part, who've already submitted a ballot with Joe Biden selected for President.
Another reason why the Dems pushed so hard for mail-in and early voting. The less you know about Biden before voting, the better for him.
One of the really bad things about our system is this.
Generally about 80% of the voters are thoughtful and have made their decisions
well before the election. Those billions are spent on the 20% who are idiots
and can't make up their minds. I'm being as neutral here as I can be.
But our country is at the whim of someone who can't decide whether
to have a Hebrew national or Oscar Meyer hot dog for lunch and needs
a commercial to sway them either way.
That is scary. Idiots determine the direction of our country, but those are the rules.
As for the Hotdogs, personally I like both brands and buy whatever is cheaper.
Post by: macsak on October 25, 2020, 01:51:45 PM
Since the debate last week, the number one trending search phrase on Google has been
"Can I change my vote?"
Since there's been no real October surprise involving Trump, I can safely assume this is coming from people, for the most part, who've already submitted a ballot with Joe Biden selected for President.
Another reason why the Dems pushed so hard for mail-in and early voting. The less you know about Biden before voting, the better for him.
my hope is that those who want to change their vote will be adamant about telling their friends/family why they made the mistake and make sure that they don't make the same mistake or to "cancel" their votes out...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 25, 2020, 02:02:13 PM
my hope is that those who want to change their vote will be adamant about telling their friends/family why they made the mistake and make sure that they don't make the same mistake or to "cancel" their votes out...
My hope is that the majority of votes for Biden already cast are in Blue states. Then those who regret voting early for Biden won't matter in the electoral.
Would be interesting to see lawsuits in states that have early voting with no process for changing ones vote. "Election Day" is losing its meaning and purpose.
Post by: omnigun on October 25, 2020, 04:07:54 PM
Or better yet vote 3rd party cause they realize both suck.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 25, 2020, 04:15:39 PM
Assuming that "trending" search is only for people wanting to vote for trump could be those who want to switch to Biden lol
Or better yet vote 3rd party cause they realize both suck.
Assuming a person voted for Trump early and now wants to switch, what, exactly, has been in the news that's changed their minds against Trump?
Or, has all the scandal about Hunter, Joe's and his families' corruption and Joe saying he wants to put millions of gas and oil industry workers out of work convinced Trump voters that's he's their President?
People in battle ground states are smarter than to waste their vote. They either vote D or R, or don't vote at all.
Post by: macsak on October 25, 2020, 04:21:33 PM
Assuming that "trending" search is only for people wanting to vote for trump could be those who want to switch to Biden lol
you keep on telling yourself that...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 25, 2020, 04:46:50 PM
While watching The Walking Dead: World Beyond, on AMC, I saw a few political ads -- nothing really out of the ordinary.
Then a screen pops up that says "How to spot a Zombie..."
It was then followed by a montage of Biden pics and videos showing him in a very un-energetic series of takes. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I looked, but it's too new to have a video posted of it yet. Either that, or Google blocked it for being misleading. :geekdanc:
Trump -- the Troll Master! :worship:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 25, 2020, 04:52:42 PM
https://youtu.be/bNfGlTRtP9c
** Watch it quick! Before YouTube starts taking it down!!
Post by: ren on October 25, 2020, 05:14:20 PM
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/24/chelsea-handler-50-cent-cant-support-trumps-reelec/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/24/chelsea-handler-50-cent-cant-support-trumps-reelec/)
so a white person telling a black person how to vote....yeah not racist at all :grrr: :crazy:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 25, 2020, 06:00:50 PM
Chelsea Handler says you can't vote for Trump if you're black
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/24/chelsea-handler-50-cent-cant-support-trumps-reelec/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/24/chelsea-handler-50-cent-cant-support-trumps-reelec/)
so a white person telling a black person how to vote....yeah not racist at all :grrr: :crazy:
Democrat plantation. Whites telling Blacks what they can and can't do.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 25, 2020, 06:03:20 PM
Is Joe throwing in the towel? Is Kamala warming up in the bullpen? Or is this the only thing Joe can come up with -- hide and say nothing about anything?
He should have stepped down and let Bernie take the nomination. At least he might have gotten a house out it!
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Post by: macsak on October 25, 2020, 06:17:17 PM
Chelsea Handler says you can't vote for Trump if you're black
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/24/chelsea-handler-50-cent-cant-support-trumps-reelec/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/24/chelsea-handler-50-cent-cant-support-trumps-reelec/)
so a white person telling a black person how to vote....yeah not racist at all :grrr: :crazy:
he actually may have changed his mind
something about him tweeting f--- trump today...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 25, 2020, 06:38:53 PM
he actually may have changed his mind
something about him tweeting f--- trump today...
Quote
Ms. Handler had previously offered to pay 50 Cent’s taxes if he changes his mind on voting for Mr. Trump.
I'm quite sure that offering anything of value in exchange for voting or to change who they want to vote for is illegal in most states.
Post by: macsak on October 25, 2020, 06:49:52 PM
I'm quite sure that offering anything of value in exchange for voting or to change who they want to vote for is illegal in most states.
she also offered to "give him a ride" or something like that
and i don't think she was talking about transportation...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 25, 2020, 06:54:05 PM
she also offered to "give him a ride" or something like that
and i don't think she was talking about transportation...
Did she mean that as a threat if he doesn't switch to Biden? :shake:
Post by: Inspector on October 26, 2020, 03:06:06 AM
Okay, finally found it ...Love it! :rofl:
https://youtu.be/bNfGlTRtP9c
** Watch it quick! 5 bucks says YouTube starts taking it down before tomorrow.
Post by: omnigun on October 26, 2020, 06:07:06 AM
Assuming a person voted for Trump early and now wants to switch, what, exactly, has been in the news that's changed their minds against Trump?
Or, has all the scandal about Hunter, Joe's and his families' corruption and Joe saying he wants to put millions of gas and oil industry workers out of work convinced Trump voters that's he's their President?
People in battle ground states are smarter than to waste their vote. They either vote D or R, or don't vote at all.
Have you watched the 60 minutes special?
Post by: drck1000 on October 26, 2020, 08:30:23 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-says-its-crass-to-attack-political-opponents-family-2020-10
Wonder why 🤔
And it didn’t stop them before about a week ago.
Post by: macsak on October 26, 2020, 08:34:06 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 26, 2020, 08:48:18 AM
“Biden says he won't return Trump's attacks on his children because 'it's crass' to target a political opponent's family“
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-says-its-crass-to-attack-political-opponents-family-2020-10
Wonder why 🤔
And it didn’t stop them before about a week ago.
When they asked Julian Assagne, how come he doesn't post any dirt on Trump, his response was that there isn't any.
I remember back in 2016, the media said some stuff about Baron, but quickly stopped. Even Chelsea Clinton came to his defense, which was good. I give credit where it's due.
Post by: drck1000 on October 26, 2020, 10:05:11 AM
The guy’s “analysis” early in the video made interesting points.
But in any case, Biden’s family is messed up. Even if showers were innocent.
https://youtu.be/bMU7BFT0ZWs
Post by: astroboy on October 26, 2020, 10:28:32 AM
https://youtu.be/MA8a2g6tTp0
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 26, 2020, 01:31:38 PM
Have you watched the 60 minutes special?
I stopped watching 60 Minutes when they started becoming nothing but DNC surrogates.
Trump interviews are all the same. The reporters don't deep dive into his achievements. They want to get sound bites that make him look bad. Like all of the MSM, they stopped being investigative and turned to Orange Man bad years ago.
I used to watch them all the time. Not any more.
If someone changed their opinion of Trump because of a 60 Minutes hatchet job on Trump, they were looking for an excuse already.
Post by: Jl808 on October 26, 2020, 07:46:10 PM
WHOOPS Joe Bidens admits to voter fraud organizing.Joe was being truthful for a change.
https://youtu.be/MA8a2g6tTp0
Post by: Inspector on October 27, 2020, 11:19:50 AM
I stopped watching 60 Minutes when they started becoming nothing but DNC surrogates.Guess we both know someone who watches 60 Minutes and is obviously brainwashed by their bias and total TDS. :rofl:
Trump interviews are all the same. The reporters don't deep dive into his achievements. They want to get sound bites that make him look bad. Like all of the MSM, they stopped being investigative and turned to Orange Man bad years ago.
I used to watch them all the time. Not any more.
If someone changed their opinion of Trump because of a 60 Minutes hatchet job on Trump, they were looking for an excuse already.
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Post by: omnigun on October 28, 2020, 10:33:18 AM
Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, decides to fly 3000 miles across country, to drop off 3 MacBook Pros at a repair shop run by a blind guy who charges the insanely low price of $85.
He gets off the plane and drunk drives to the repair shop (because there aren't repair shops in LA). He drops them off, signs a contract for repair and then disappears. The repair shop owner recovers and reads Hunter's private emails, a few of which mention a possible meeting with his dad and is so alarmed, he contacts the FBI.
The FBI arranges to pick up the hard drives, but the computer repair shop owner takes a totally normal step of copying them. Once he realizes the FBI isn't doing anything with them, he calls up the most credible ex-Mayor on Earth and hands them the contents of these drives.
That totally credible ex-Mayor sits on them for months, then chooses to release them 3 weeks before the election. The mainstream media asks to independently verify their validity but said ex-Mayor does what all people trying to prove facts do and ignores these requests.
Post by: Jl808 on October 28, 2020, 11:29:52 AM
Post by: macsak on October 28, 2020, 11:47:00 AM
Saw this posted on another site got me thinking.....tin foil time?
Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, decides to fly 3000 miles across country, to drop off 3 MacBook Pros at a repair shop run by a blind guy who charges the insanely low price of $85.
He gets off the plane and drunk drives to the repair shop (because there aren't repair shops in LA). He drops them off, signs a contract for repair and then disappears. The repair shop owner recovers and reads Hunter's private emails, a few of which mention a possible meeting with his dad and is so alarmed, he contacts the FBI.
The FBI arranges to pick up the hard drives, but the computer repair shop owner takes a totally normal step of copying them. Once he realizes the FBI isn't doing anything with them, he calls up the most credible ex-Mayor on Earth and hands them the contents of these drives.
That totally credible ex-Mayor sits on them for months, then chooses to release them 3 weeks before the election. The mainstream media asks to independently verify their validity but said ex-Mayor does what all people trying to prove facts do and ignores these requests.
or, it's all true...
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 28, 2020, 12:03:19 PM
Saw this posted on another site got me thinking.....tin foil time?
Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, decides to fly 3000 miles across country, to drop off 3 MacBook Pros at a repair shop run by a blind guy who charges the insanely low price of $85.
He gets off the plane and drunk drives to the repair shop (because there aren't repair shops in LA). He drops them off, signs a contract for repair and then disappears. The repair shop owner recovers and reads Hunter's private emails, a few of which mention a possible meeting with his dad and is so alarmed, he contacts the FBI.
The FBI arranges to pick up the hard drives, but the computer repair shop owner takes a totally normal step of copying them. Once he realizes the FBI isn't doing anything with them, he calls up the most credible ex-Mayor on Earth and hands them the contents of these drives.
That totally credible ex-Mayor sits on them for months, then chooses to release them 3 weeks before the election. The mainstream media asks to independently verify their validity but said ex-Mayor does what all people trying to prove facts do and ignores these requests.
You're looking at it wrong. Hunter probably lives in many places across the nation. So maybe he was in NY at the time. But again, crackhead doing crackhead things. So...
Why is Guilliani not credible? It's more like he was giving it to someone who he knew would take the right action with it if FBI did nothing. And you know Rudy's people had to also verify it's contents and not just release it. So that's why it probably took "a few months". And they too had to have a back up plan in case they got Epsteined.
The big question that should be asked is how does a regular guy get into contact with Rudy to hand him something . I mean, does he just call his office and come in? How did Borat sneak into the interview as the mic guy?
Why are many other countries media reporting this as a huge story, but little to no chatter by our fake news?
To be fair, if it was just drugs and pedo stuff that Hunter is doing, I cannot hold Joe too accountable. Hunter is an adult and makes his own decisions. It's not like Joe was there. And as a parent, most parents tend to side with their kids. Look at our news when a bad guy gets killed who has tons of priors, his parents/family say "he was a good guy".
What I do hold Joe accountable for is his receiving money and pay for play stuff. Which was always known since 2016, so those who do not rely solely on the Maddow show, knew of this.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 28, 2020, 12:51:40 PM
The Supreme Court just ruled that Wisconsin, a battleground state which Trump won last election by less than 1%, will not be able to count ballots that arrive after election day. Many states have tried to push the date they can count late ballots by s much as 6 days after the election as long as they are postmarked by election day. Pennsylvania just got a rulling from their state supreme court that they can count late ballots properly postmarked.
This is happening because, as most of us predicted, the post office cannot be relied upon to deliver ballots by election day.
Of course, people like former USAG Eric Holder are blaming the post office's problems on Trump. :sleeping:
So, after all this time telling people to use mail-in ballots for fear of catching a virus, they are now instructing voters to PERSONALLY deliver their ballots to the clerk, a drop-box, or go to the polls in person. So much for safety, huh? Dem Vote > living.
Careful what you wish for, Democrats. You just might get it! :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 28, 2020, 12:58:48 PM
I guess when his speeches are unintelligible, it's impossible to hold his feet to the fire on anything he (presumably) said. :crazy:
Biden starts at about time mark 1:38 ...
"Guess what? ............ You know! ........."
https://youtu.be/p21-OC1G-Kg
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 28, 2020, 01:23:00 PM
The Supreme Court just ruled that Wisconsin, a battleground state which Trump won last election by less than 1%, will not be able to count ballots that arrive after election day. Many states have tried to push the date they can count late ballots by s much as 6 days after the election as long as they are postmarked by election day. Pennsylvania just got a rulling from their state supreme court that they can count late ballots properly postmarked.
And the majority of people voting in person are Trump supporters right? Well over here anyways. I got about 8 friends who voted in person and all 8 support him.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 28, 2020, 01:26:26 PM
Even when he appears to be lucid, you can't understand him. He's just shouting -- like the old man screaming at a cloud.
I guess when his speeches are unintelligible, it's impossible to hold his feet to the fire on anything he (presumably) said. :crazy:
Biden starts at about time mark 1:38 ...
"Guess what? ............ You know! ........."
https://youtu.be/p21-OC1G-Kg
"As kitchen table, I learn" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 28, 2020, 01:28:06 PM
And the majority of people voting in person are Trump supporters right? Well over here anyways. I got about 8 friends who voted in person and all 8 support him.
That's the presumption, since Democrats are all "The sky is falling!" over COVID and want to avoid going out at all, whereas Republican voters are more about "I'll take precautions and follow CDC guidelines, but I'm not hiding in my basement".
On top of that, Republicans who understand the risks associated with mail-in voting, from fraud to theft to post office incompetence, are more likely to opt for direct ballot delivery/voting at polling places over trusting mail-in.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 28, 2020, 01:30:42 PM
"As kitchen table, I learn" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
It's obvious he's trying to read from a teleprompter, the way he stares trying to find his place and focus on the words.
Even then, he can't put together more than one coherent sentence before muddling through the next.
Post by: omnigun on October 28, 2020, 01:38:58 PM
Just saw a TimCast segment reporting that mail-in voting is worse FOR DEMOCRATS than Republicans. Historically, more ballots are thrown out when mailed-in due to errors on the part of the voter AND of the ballot processor. Some voters are so paranoid of the COVID-19 virus (thanks to Dems and MSM), they are soaking their ballots in disinfectant and ruining them!!
The Supreme Court just ruled that Wisconsin, a battleground state which Trump won last election by less than 1%, will not be able to count ballots that arrive after election day. Many states have tried to push the date they can count late ballots by s much as 6 days after the election as long as they are postmarked by election day. Pennsylvania just got a rulling from their state supreme court that they can count late ballots properly postmarked.
This is happening because, as most of us predicted, the post office cannot be relied upon to deliver ballots by election day.
Of course, people like former USAG Eric Holder are blaming the post office's problems on Trump. :sleeping:
So, after all this time telling people to use mail-in ballots for fear of catching a virus, they are now instructing voters to PERSONALLY deliver their ballots to the clerk, a drop-box, or go to the polls in person. So much for safety, huh? Dem Vote > living.
Careful what you wish for, Democrats. You just might get it! :rofl: :rofl:
I mean that's on the Republicans for not funding the post office well enough....
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 28, 2020, 01:39:45 PM
That's the presumption, since Democrats are all "The sky is falling!" over COVID and want to avoid going out at all, whereas Republican voters are more about "I'll take precautions and follow CDC guidelines, but I'm not hiding in my basement".
On top of that, Republicans who understand the risks associated with mail-in voting, from fraud to theft to post office incompetence, are more likely to opt for direct ballot delivery/voting at polling places over trusting mail-in.
I read a good point. If you trust the mail system, mail yourself $2,000 cash. If you do not trust the post office to do it, then the same goes with vote by mail.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 28, 2020, 01:40:14 PM
I mean that's on the Republicans for not funding the post office well enough....
How so?
Post by: omnigun on October 28, 2020, 01:45:13 PM
How so?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/politics/la-xpm-2013-feb-07-la-na-tt-postal-service-20130206-story.html%3f_amp=true
Post by: macsak on October 28, 2020, 01:52:03 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/politics/la-xpm-2013-feb-07-la-na-tt-postal-service-20130206-story.html%3f_amp=true
2013?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 28, 2020, 01:56:43 PM
I mean that's on the Republicans for not funding the post office well enough....
BULLSHIT!
(I really get tired of you posing lies.)
This is just a "little" more current than 2013...
USPS flashback: Obama administration removed thousands of mailboxes
2016 report: 'Nationally the number of collection boxes declined by more than 12,000 in the past five years'
Quote
President Trump has faced backlash over recent measures the U.S. Postal Service
has taken to reduce service as November’s election approaches, including removing
mail collection boxes from street locations. But eliminating mailboxes is nothing new
and something that took place quite a bit during the Obama administration.
A pair of USPS inspector general reports provide details regarding the removal of
thousands of mailboxes in the U.S., and during Obama’s second term people complained
that too many mailboxes were taken away.
“Nationally the number of collection boxes declined by more than 12,000 in the past five
years,” an August 2016 report said. “Some customers have complained the Postal Service
has gone too far and removed most collection boxes, except those at the Post Office.
In addition, they have questioned whether any cost savings result from collection box removals.”
The same report revealed that in a 17-month period during Obama’s second term, hundreds
of mailboxes were removed without following the appropriate process, as “322 out-of-service
boxes were permanently removed from the street without Eastern Area approval or public
notification to customers.”
At the same time, that report and another from September 2017 show that there are good
reasons for eliminating mailboxes, such as underuse, and that even more mailboxes should
have been removed over the years, which would have saved the government hundreds of
thousands of dollars a year. The five-year total of 12,000 removed mailboxes jumped to
14,000 in the 2017 report.
...
Trump has said that he would support giving money to the Postal Service if Democrats
agreed to other measures that would be part of a new coronavirus stimulus bill.
...
The Dems in Congress want $25 BILLION more appropriated for the Post Office, $3.5 BILLION
of it for "election resources."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/postal-service-flashback-obama-admin-removed-thousands-of-mailboxes
Post by: omnigun on October 28, 2020, 02:51:31 PM
BULLSHIT!
(I really get tired of you posing lies.)
This is just a "little" more current than 2013...
USPS flashback: Obama administration removed thousands of mailboxes
2016 report: 'Nationally the number of collection boxes declined by more than 12,000 in the past five years'
The Dems in Congress want $25 BILLION more appropriated for the Post Office, $3.5 BILLION
of it for "election resources."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/postal-service-flashback-obama-admin-removed-thousands-of-mailboxes
Whats wrong with them getting 25billion more? Why would republicans not want people to get mail? We are covid times we should all be mailing stuff and not going out....
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 28, 2020, 02:53:40 PM
Whats wrong with them getting 25billion more? Why would republicans not want people to get mail? We are covid times we should all be mailing stuff and not going out....
The Post Office is a private entity. It's supposed to run as a business, not a tax-funded utility.
Look at their history of losing money. Maybe they need to be given an ultimatum -- sink, or swim. If they know a bailout is coming, why try to operate within a budget?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 28, 2020, 02:55:00 PM
Whats wrong with them getting 25billion more? Why would republicans not want people to get mail? We are covid times we should all be mailing stuff and not going out....
I notice you latched onto a minor detail instead of addressing the actual question of whether it's just Trump reducing mail-in voting resources.
As expected.
Post by: omnigun on October 28, 2020, 06:48:10 PM
The Post Office is a private entity. It's supposed to run as a business, not a tax-funded utility.
Look at their history of losing money. Maybe they need to be given an ultimatum -- sink, or swim. If they know a bailout is coming, why try to operate within a budget?
United States Postal Service
Its a service it doesn't have to make money. You don't expect US national park service to be a profit maker either....
Post by: omnigun on October 28, 2020, 06:49:14 PM
I notice you latched onto a minor detail instead of addressing the actual question of whether it's just Trump reducing mail-in voting resources.
As expected.
Its a mix of both, trump doesn't like mail-in because more democrats vote that way. So if you just defund it to hell that means less democrat votes?
Post by: drck1000 on October 28, 2020, 06:49:44 PM
United States Postal ServiceSays who? You? :rofl:
Its a service it doesn't have to make money. You don't expect US national park service to be a profit maker either....
Someone might want to tell these folks...
https://www.ups.com/us/en/Home.page
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 28, 2020, 07:24:01 PM
United States Postal Service
Its a service it doesn't have to make money. You don't expect US national park service to be a profit maker either....
You haven't been alive that long to have seen this, but you should know not to make statements of fact when you don't know what you're talking about.
Quote
The budget status of the U.S. Postal Service has been a matter of both contention and
confusion since the 1970 Postal Reorganization Act (PRA) put the Postal Service on a
self-sustaining basis, exempting it from general budget and funding laws and denying
the executive branch control over its finances. In the 1970s and 1980s, the Postal Service
was sometimes included and sometimes excluded from the president’s budget by
administrative decision often hinging on whether it was running a surplus or a deficit.
When it was on budget, the Postal Service was commonly caught up in deficit reduction
squabbles, and took on obligations belonging to the Treasury.
In the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1989, the Postal Service won a hard-fought
legislative battle, at some cost, to put its funding permanently off budget. Congress agreed
that mail delivery was a self-financing business whose operations should not be scaled
up or down depending on national budget considerations. For the past two decades, only
the Social Security Trust Funds have shared off-budget status with the Postal Service.
Despite its off-budget status, however, the Postal Service is still caught up in budget scoring
decisions that erode its finances and obstruct its legislative program in Congress. This
situation primarily results from three facts: (1) the Postal Service’s revenues and expenses
remain part of the unified budget, which is the measure most commonly used for calculating
budget effects, (2) the Postal Service’s contributions for its retiree obligations are held in
on-budget accounts, and (3) the Postal Service receives a small on-budget appropriation
to subsidize mail for the blind and overseas voters.
https://www.uspsoig.gov/document/federal-budget-treatment-postal-service
Basically, the USPS is handled completely differently from the National Parks Service.
Your poor attempt at defining a gov't agency by its one-word nomenclature is hereby rejected.
Post by: macsak on October 28, 2020, 07:29:10 PM
You haven't been alive that long to have seen this, but you should know not to make statements of fact when you don't know what you're talking about.
https://www.uspsoig.gov/document/federal-budget-treatment-postal-service
Basically, the USPS is handled completely differently from the National Parks Service.
Your poor attempt at defining a gov't agency by its one-word nomenclature is hereby rejected.
he thinks/feels that "service" means that
that's all that matters...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 28, 2020, 07:45:05 PM
Its a mix of both, trump doesn't like mail-in because more democrats vote that way. So if you just defund it to hell that means less democrat votes?
So, you "know" what Trump is thinking, even though what you just posted is NOT what Trump has said over and over?
Amazing! Can you teach me that mind-reading thing you do? :geekdanc:
You said, "trump doesn't like mail-in because more democrats vote that way." First, I'll ask for a source of that "fact". Don't deflect. Just post the link or a screenshot.
Second, Trump, just like MOST OF US ON THIS FORUM, actually said this:
Mail-in voting is not the problem. When you vote absentee ballot, that's mail-in voting. You request a ballot, it comes to your place, and you send it back completed. That process works most of the time.
What the Democrats want is 100% mail-in voting, meaning ballots get mailed to everyone on every state's voter registration roles. Audits have shown that in places like California, their roles are massively incorrect. People who moved, died, left the country, or are sitting in prison serving a felony sentence are still on the roles. That's in addition to the millions of illegal aliens who were registered when the laws changed allowing them to get state drivers licenses. The Motor Voter registration program automatically registered them. Most didn't understand what it was, but were afraid to say they were not there legally, so they got registered.
If millions of ballots addressed to nonexistent, illegal or ineligible registrants go out, that greatly increases the amount of potential voter fraud in a process that's already reported lost, stolen, altered and destroyed ballots in previous elections. The mass mail-in general election will be just as vulnerable but at a much larger scale.
^^^^
THIS is the reason Trump gave when he opposed mass mail-in voting. If every person receiving a ballot would request it online or in person, and then send it back signed and properly sealed, the risk of fraud and mishandling is reduced, but the post office is still the long pole in the tent. If the ballot is delayed, mutilated, misdirected -- as mail often is -- or just plain stolen as mail carriers have done in the past, how do you fix that? You can punish them, but the damage to the election remains.
Anyway, once again, your facts are bullshit. Did you order more manure for your tomato patch than you meant to?
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 28, 2020, 08:00:39 PM
The Post Office is a private entity. It's supposed to run as a business, not a tax-funded utility.
Look at their history of losing money. Maybe they need to be given an ultimatum -- sink, or swim. If they know a bailout is coming, why try to operate within a budget?
Do you know why they have so much trouble swimming? Because of unrealistic mandates placed on the post office by a republican congress and republican president.
https://theweek.com/articles/767184/how-george-bush-broke-post-office
"A lot of people point to the rise of email, as well as private competitors like FedEx. Certainly, all those things contribute to USPS's problems. But what's really dragging down the Postal Service is something else entirely.
Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006.
Passed by a Republican-led Congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush, the PAEA gave the Postal Service new accounting and funding rules for its retiree pension and health benefits. Up until 2006, the USPS funded those obligations on a pay-as-you-go-basis, pulling out of its pension fund and adding to it as retirees' costs came in. But the PAEA required the Postal Service to calculate all of its likely pension costs over the next 75 years, and then sock away enough money between 2007 and 2016 to cover most of them."
It is hard to demand the post office function like a business with no tax funding while simultaneously having the government placing such restrictive requirements on them. It's like putting extra weight on a swimmer and complaining they are having trouble swimming. I totally agree that government should be more efficient and smaller but the USPS would be safely above water if it weren't for the requirements.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 28, 2020, 10:43:05 PM
Do you know why they have so much trouble swimming? Because of unrealistic mandates placed on the post office by a republican congress and republican president.
https://theweek.com/articles/767184/how-george-bush-broke-post-office
"A lot of people point to the rise of email, as well as private competitors like FedEx. Certainly, all those things contribute to USPS's problems. But what's really dragging down the Postal Service is something else entirely.
Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006.
Passed by a Republican-led Congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush, the PAEA gave the Postal Service new accounting and funding rules for its retiree pension and health benefits. Up until 2006, the USPS funded those obligations on a pay-as-you-go-basis, pulling out of its pension fund and adding to it as retirees' costs came in. But the PAEA required the Postal Service to calculate all of its likely pension costs over the next 75 years, and then sock away enough money between 2007 and 2016 to cover most of them."
It is hard to demand the post office function like a business with no tax funding while simultaneously having the government placing such restrictive requirements on them. It's like putting extra weight on a swimmer and complaining they are having trouble swimming. I totally agree that government should be more efficient and smaller but the USPS would be safely above water if it weren't for the requirements.
Great. But that doesn't change my facts, nor does it make what omigod posted true.
Trump SAID the post office can't handle a 100% General Election By Mail ballot process back in March or so. Anyone with a brain knew the USPS had no chance of fixing that by the election timeframe, which means with time to update and produce mailing roles in all states, send out the ballots VIA USPS, have the voters receive, fill out, and return the ballots VIA USPS, AND have the states capable of receiving, tallying and adjudicating what ballots are valid vs invalid, no matter how much money was thrown at them. There just wasn't enough time.
BTW, all those mandates did not originate with Republicans. In fact, the Democrats in the House created the majority of the mandates. They have the majority there and control the purse strings. If you need someone to blame, blame the people more involved with investigating, impeaching and demonizing Trump than in doing their fucking jobs.
Post by: drck1000 on October 28, 2020, 11:37:10 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201029/3d53c011aaeb6cf488352190f9e79e98.jpg)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 28, 2020, 11:45:34 PM
Or is it only par for the course when Democrats are facing a scandal?
Wonder who's going to get Epstein'ed next?
https://youtu.be/Wuul_R-vwhI
Post by: omnigun on October 29, 2020, 06:27:17 AM
You haven't been alive that long to have seen this, but you should know not to make statements of fact when you don't know what you're talking about.
https://www.uspsoig.gov/document/federal-budget-treatment-postal-service
Basically, the USPS is handled completely differently from the National Parks Service.
Your poor attempt at defining a gov't agency by its one-word nomenclature is hereby rejected.
Upon inception it was not that. It was made so people could get mail and was never about profit then you are right congress fucked that up. Should go back to its roots and be a service not for profit. Everyone deserves the ability to get mail and for me personally, internet.
Post by: omnigun on October 29, 2020, 06:28:42 AM
Great. But that doesn't change my facts, nor does it make what omigod posted true.
Trump SAID the post office can't handle a 100% General Election By Mail ballot process back in March or so. Anyone with a brain knew the USPS had no chance of fixing that by the election timeframe, which means with time to update and produce mailing roles in all states, send out the ballots VIA USPS, have the voters receive, fill out, and return the ballots VIA USPS, AND have the states capable of receiving, tallying and adjudicating what ballots are valid vs invalid, no matter how much money was thrown at them. There just wasn't enough time.
BTW, all those mandates did not originate with Republicans. In fact, the Democrats in the House created the majority of the mandates. They have the majority there and control the purse strings. If you need someone to blame, blame the people more involved with investigating, impeaching and demonizing Trump than in doing their fucking jobs.
Yeah we all know democrats fuck shit up all the time doesn't mean Republicans shouldn't fix it.... they held it up this time. And eye is right bush fucked it up even more.
Post by: omnigun on October 29, 2020, 06:31:43 AM
So, you "know" what Trump is thinking, even though what you just posted is NOT what Trump has said over and over?
Amazing! Can you teach me that mind-reading thing you do? :geekdanc:
You said, "trump doesn't like mail-in because more democrats vote that way." First, I'll ask for a source of that "fact". Don't deflect. Just post the link or a screenshot.
Second, Trump, just like MOST OF US ON THIS FORUM, actually said this:
Mail-in voting is not the problem. When you vote absentee ballot, that's mail-in voting. You request a ballot, it comes to your place, and you send it back completed. That process works most of the time.
What the Democrats want is 100% mail-in voting, meaning ballots get mailed to everyone on every state's voter registration roles. Audits have shown that in places like California, their roles are massively incorrect. People who moved, died, left the country, or are sitting in prison serving a felony sentence are still on the roles. That's in addition to the millions of illegal aliens who were registered when the laws changed allowing them to get state drivers licenses. The Motor Voter registration program automatically registered them. Most didn't understand what it was, but were afraid to say they were not there legally, so they got registered.
If millions of ballots addressed to nonexistent, illegal or ineligible registrants go out, that greatly increases the amount of potential voter fraud in a process that's already reported lost, stolen, altered and destroyed ballots in previous elections. The mass mail-in general election will be just as vulnerable but at a much larger scale.
^^^^
THIS is the reason Trump gave when he opposed mass mail-in voting. If every person receiving a ballot would request it online or in person, and then send it back signed and properly sealed, the risk of fraud and mishandling is reduced, but the post office is still the long pole in the tent. If the ballot is delayed, mutilated, misdirected -- as mail often is -- or just plain stolen as mail carriers have done in the past, how do you fix that? You can punish them, but the damage to the election remains.
Anyway, once again, your facts are bullshit. Did you order more manure for your tomato patch than you meant to?
This is only partially true. Some democrats want this. Even i don't support that. But in general Republicans and Trump are against. They filed lawsuits limiting the number of fucking drop of boxes, look at Texas they wanted one box for like 3 million people. Then they filed lawsuits so that ballots sent out before election day won't count if they don't get delivered by the 3rd... don't try and warp this as Republicans are neutral.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 29, 2020, 08:41:03 AM
Its a mix of both, trump doesn't like mail-in because more democrats vote that way. So if you just defund it to hell that means less democrat votes?
It;s because voter fraud happens more. Watch Project Veritas vids, it shows and has workers admitting to getting lots of votes for DNC by changing the voters mind. At least 1 worker was fired and she is caught on camera saying she has thousands that she has done.
Post by: omnigun on October 29, 2020, 09:20:44 AM
It;s because voter fraud happens more. Watch Project Veritas vids, it shows and has workers admitting to getting lots of votes for DNC by changing the voters mind. At least 1 worker was fired and she is caught on camera saying she has thousands that she has done.
It does happen and is rare. Car accidents happen and people die but there is acceptable risk with all the safety features and rules, so people still drive. Same with mail in voting. All the people so far have been prosecuted. Its a very bad thing to get convicted of and hopefully people will learn.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 29, 2020, 09:32:10 AM
It does happen and is rare. Car accidents happen and people die but there is acceptable risk with all the safety features and rules, so people still drive. Same with mail in voting. All the people so far have been prosecuted. Its a very bad thing to get convicted of and hopefully people will learn.
It's not rare if 1 person alone is admitting on camera that she got thousands. There are multiple vids with multiple people. She also drops them off at different post offices as to not raise suspicion. Also she admitted she could go to jail if anyone found out. Watch the video, she stated all of this.
Also pics and video of mailmen trashing hundreds of ballots in trash bins.
And so far, no one was prosecuted yet for the recent Project Veritas videos. The TX AG said it's being investigated as of yesterday.
Also look at cities that have more voters than registered voters since 2016. So voter fraud does happen and is not rare. I met a guy who works at a vegas gun store. His mom died 5 years prior and used to live in CA. She has never lived in CA. Just for fun, he pulled up her info to see if she voted in NV. And guess what, she was registered to vote and cast a vote in NV in 2016.
Post by: astroboy on October 29, 2020, 10:32:38 AM
https://youtu.be/MA8a2g6tTp0
Post by: omnigun on October 29, 2020, 10:43:02 AM
It's not rare if 1 person alone is admitting on camera that she got thousands. There are multiple vids with multiple people. She also drops them off at different post offices as to not raise suspicion. Also she admitted she could go to jail if anyone found out. Watch the video, she stated all of this.
Also pics and video of mailmen trashing hundreds of ballots in trash bins.
And so far, no one was prosecuted yet for the recent Project Veritas videos. The TX AG said it's being investigated as of yesterday.
Also look at cities that have more voters than registered voters since 2016. So voter fraud does happen and is not rare. I met a guy who works at a vegas gun store. His mom died 5 years prior and used to live in CA. She has never lived in CA. Just for fun, he pulled up her info to see if she voted in NV. And guess what, she was registered to vote and cast a vote in NV in 2016.
I don't tend to believe those types of videos like veritas, people say shit all the time that isn't true. If you believe every video or stupid thing someone said they probably half of America would be in jail. I look only at convictions That being said. I am not saying there's no voter fraud. Just that's its the minority. Hawaii has been doing mail in ballot for years and no major issues that I know of. I only vote by mail. Never been a poll once and never plan to.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 29, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
I don't tend to believe those types of videos like veritas, people say shit all the time that isn't true. If you believe every video or stupid thing someone said they probably half of America would be in jail. I look only at convictions That being said. I am not saying there's no voter fraud. Just that's its the minority. Hawaii has been doing mail in ballot for years and no major issues that I know of. I only vote by mail. Never been a poll once and never plan to.
So only convictions. So since OJ wasn't convicted of killing anyone, who killed his wife and her bf? The "real killer" was never found found. And the tape of Hillary bragging that she knew her client raped the girl, but got the evidence thrown out (haha) and a not guilty, guess that guy didn't rape the girl either. Since you're only looking at convictions.
I do agree with you though, I don't believe "those types of videos" either. Like vids of the moon landing, round earth, space travel, airplane hitting the tower on 9/11, etc...
Post by: drck1000 on October 29, 2020, 11:27:50 AM
SNIPLooks like you found your Huckleberry...
I do agree with you though, I don't believe "those types of videos" either. Like vids of the moon landing, round earth, space travel, airplane hitting the tower on 9/11, etc...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 12:00:07 PM
Upon inception it was not that. It was made so people could get mail and was never about profit then you are right congress fucked that up. Should go back to its roots and be a service not for profit. Everyone deserves the ability to get mail and for me personally, internet.
Do you know who was the first US Post Master?
Benjamin Franklin.
Guess what? Things change.
Do you know the word "profit" doesn't just mean money that is excess of operations. Profit can also be used to expand coverage and increase services. It can mean hiring more employees plus developing and implementing new processes, technologies and other things to increase speed and efficiency.
When I was young, the average time for delivery of a letter was 4-5 days. If you were lucky, and the parties were in the same area, you might get something in 3 days.
Now, if you live on Oahu and send something to an Oahu address before too late at night, you can get next day delivery with just first class service. From Hawaii to the East Coast usualy only takes 3 days. These are things "profits" can provide. Without the profits, every new innovation is at taxpayer, not postal customer. expense.
When FedEx and UPS hit the scene, they cut severely into USPS' monopoly for package delivery. With the advent of email and websites that can deliver messages and documents electronically, regular mail began to see a massive reduction in demand.
THAT is when the gov't recognized the Post Office needed to be competitive as they were no longer a monopoly. Given that fact, USPS was deemed a BUSINESS, not a taxpayer funded entity. That forced them to improve, control costs and find niches the other companies don't serve.
Yeah we all know democrats fuck shit up all the time doesn't mean Republicans shouldn't fix it.... they held it up this time. And eye is right bush fucked it up even more.
Democrats controlled the House, Senate and Presidency for 2 years in 2009-2010. They've held the House more times than the GOP. Obama had 8 years and REDUCED USPS funding and service locations. But the Republicans have to fix it in 6 months? What are you smoking? :wacko:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 12:04:31 PM
This is only partially true. Some democrats want this. Even i don't support that. But in general Republicans and Trump are against. They filed lawsuits limiting the number of fucking drop of boxes, look at Texas they wanted one box for like 3 million people. Then they filed lawsuits so that ballots sent out before election day won't count if they don't get delivered by the 3rd... don't try and warp this as Republicans are neutral.
None of that matters. We are talking about the 100% mail-in vote and whether it was at all feasible. The reason Republicans opposed $3.5 Billion in Post Office spending under the guise of making them capable of handling a complete mail-in ballot system was because the process itself, with bloated and incorrect voter registration roles, meant it was a bad idea from the start. Spending billions on the Post Office would not have fixed that. Hence, why bail try to bail water out of a ship with holes in the hull? It's a losing proposition, and you're wasting our money to bail out the Post Office after they lost billions over the last few years.
Democrats often point to the wrong problem instead of addressing the actual problem, just to confuse people and try to get what they wanted: 100% mail-in voting.
Fixing the Post Office was required to implement the plan, but fixing the Post Office was only ONE of the problems. Without sufficient time to fix state voter roles, implementing the all mail-in system was not possible without introducing massive fraud.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 12:10:12 PM
It does happen and is rare. Car accidents happen and people die but there is acceptable risk with all the safety features and rules, so people still drive. Same with mail in voting. All the people so far have been prosecuted. Its a very bad thing to get convicted of and hopefully people will learn.
Rare? The people being caught are just a sample. They alone have changed or harvested thousands of ballots. Have to assume there are many more not yet caught.
But the bigger issue is fraud within the system. Post Office workers have committed fraud, theft and destruction of ballots. New Jersey had so many of these problems, they were ordered by a judge to HOLD THE ELECTION AGAIN!
We are not prepared for doing that once, much less twice, for the general election.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 12:12:24 PM
I don't tend to believe those types of videos like veritas, people say shit all the time that isn't true. If you believe every video or stupid thing someone said they probably half of America would be in jail. I look only at convictions That being said. I am not saying there's no voter fraud. Just that's its the minority. Hawaii has been doing mail in ballot for years and no major issues that I know of. I only vote by mail. Never been a poll once and never plan to.
Project Veritas has VIDEO EVIDENCE. They have a reputation of being careful that all their stories are verifiable. They've been sued many times over their content, and they won every single time.
You tend to believe what makes you comfortable. Doesn't make it the truth.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 12:17:18 PM
I don't tend to believe those types of videos like veritas, people say shit all the time that isn't true. If you believe every video or stupid thing someone said they probably half of America would be in jail. I look only at convictions That being said. I am not saying there's no voter fraud. Just that's its the minority. Hawaii has been doing mail in ballot for years and no major issues that I know of. I only vote by mail. Never been a poll once and never plan to.
Hawaii did not do mail-in voting based on voter roles. They required you to request a ballot sent to a specific address. They also cleanse the roles when people don't vote for awhile or notify them of a change of address to another district or state.
I moved districts and notified them of the change of address. I received a new voter info card with a different polling place. That place changed again when they closed one of the schools. When I asked for absentee/mail-in ballots, I checked the box for that service every election. I get ballots each time I need to vote.
Totally workable system in our state for the number of legal voters who REQUEST ballots by mail.
This year, only mail-in ballots are being allowed. We'll see how many are contested, thrown out, etc.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 12:18:21 PM
Looks like you found your Huckleberry...
Who you gonna believe? Conspiracy theorists with no evidence, or your lying eyes and ears? :crazy:
Post by: omnigun on October 29, 2020, 12:20:49 PM
Rare? The people being caught are just a sample. They alone have changed or harvested thousands of ballots. Have to assume there are many more not yet caught.
But the bigger issue is fraud within the system. Post Office workers have committed fraud, theft and destruction of ballots. New Jersey had so many of these problems, they were ordered by a judge to HOLD THE ELECTION AGAIN!
We are not prepared for doing that once, much less twice, for the general election.
How do you suggest we vote? If you think mail in is full of fraud and not an option? FYI covid is happening at records rate right now.
Post by: macsak on October 29, 2020, 12:21:18 PM
Hawaii did not do mail-in voting based on voter roles. They required you to request a ballot sent to a specific address. They also cleanse the roles when people don't vote for awhile or notify them of a change of address to another district or state.
I moved districts and notified them of the change of address. I received a new voter info card with a different polling place. That place changed again when they closed one of the schools. When I asked for absentee/mail-in ballots, I checked the box for that service every election. I get ballots each time I need to vote.
Totally workable system in our state for the number of legal voters who REQUEST ballots by mail.
This year, only mail-in ballots are being allowed. We'll see how many are contested, thrown out, etc.
uhhhh, no.
Post by: omnigun on October 29, 2020, 12:22:14 PM
Project Veritas has VIDEO EVIDENCE. They have a reputation of being careful that all their stories are verifiable. They've been sued many times over their content, and they won every single time.
You tend to believe what makes you comfortable. Doesn't make it the truth.
I believe in convictions. Evidence before that can be disputed. People lie all the time on video.
Post by: omnigun on October 29, 2020, 12:24:18 PM
Hawaii did not do mail-in voting based on voter roles. They required you to request a ballot sent to a specific address. They also cleanse the roles when people don't vote for awhile or notify them of a change of address to another district or state.
I moved districts and notified them of the change of address. I received a new voter info card with a different polling place. That place changed again when they closed one of the schools. When I asked for absentee/mail-in ballots, I checked the box for that service every election. I get ballots each time I need to vote.
Totally workable system in our state for the number of legal voters who REQUEST ballots by mail.
This year, only mail-in ballots are being allowed. We'll see how many are contested, thrown out, etc.
Why do you keep saying voter rolls? That's not the norm that I know of you don't get to pick and choose the extremes to win the argument. I think Hawaii's system is great and the whole nation should adopt it. Cleanse the rolls and require people to sign up is perfectly reasonable things.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 12:37:48 PM
How do you suggest we vote? If you think mail in is full of fraud and not an option? FYI covid is happening at records rate right now.
We need to increase the number of polling places and only allow mail-in for people out of state on election day or with some other specified situation (shut-ins, physical issues, etc). Anyone who doesn't want to trust the mail can use drop boxes for ballots in key locations, including gov't buildings.
Make vote harvesting 100% illegal. You can't trust ANYONE with access to someone else's ballot. That's just common sense.
Only allow in-person votes to be cast on election day -- no more early voting. Having a month of voting totally blows away the intent of elections -- to cast a vote at the same time as everyone else based on everything known about the candidates by that date. There are laws in most states that require bars to be closed, ban liquor and beer sales, closing of gov't offices, etc. Can't do that to facilitate early voting. Only on one day: Election Day.
These bombshells about Biden draw a big red circle around what's wrong with early voting. Imagine how fast the Dems would be shutting down early voting if these revelations involved President Trump and Don Jr's laptop!! Dems want to change every rule in the book because they lost in 2016. This is their MO. Can't win by the rules, change the rules.
Pack the court with 4 more (Liberal) judges (All because Hillary lost and Trump is doing the appointing)
Eliminate the Electoral College (See rationale above)
Add two more Dem states: DC and Puerto Rico (Same rationale)
Increase mail-in voting, which increases risk of fraud and failure (Tests and actual elections prove mail-in voting is full of problems aside from any intentional fraud)
I'm almost to the point of believing the CA Governor, Gavin Newsom, is purposely making the state impossible to live in (High taxes, new idiotic laws) in order to force Dem voters into other states in a push to turn those states blue.
Anyway, that's my preference and rationale. Take it for what it's worth.
Post by: hvybarrels on October 29, 2020, 12:46:16 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 12:57:43 PM
Why do you keep saying voter rolls? That's not the norm that I know of you don't get to pick and choose the extremes to win the argument. I think Hawaii's system is great and the whole nation should adopt it. Cleanse the rolls and require people to sign up is perfectly reasonable things.
Only you said "rolls".
I said "roles".
Nobody is picking and choosing extremes. It's what the states would have to do in a General Election with 100% mail-in ballots. How else do you imagine they address the ballots? "Occupant" at every single known mailing address?
Every state is not broken up into a few congressional districts, nor with a small registered voter population.
Hawaii has about 523,000 registered voters, or 49.5% of its "eligible to vote" population.
California has the highest number of registered voters at 15,690,000. Yet, that is still only 51.9% of the eligible population.
There are only 6 other states with a smaller number of registered voters than Hawaii, but they represent between 62.4% to 70.9% of the eligible population in those states, much higher %'s than Hawaii.
Hawaii only has half a million ballots to print, mail, receive and process -- including half a million names on the voter roles.
Number of states between 1.2M and 1.7M: 8
" " " " 2.2M and 2.6M: 6
" " " " 3.0M and 3.8M: 9
" " " " 4.1M and 4.8M: 3
" " " " 5.1M and 5.4M: 2
" " " " 6.0M and 6.4M: 3
" " " " 8.5M and 9.5M: 2
" " " with 11.6M: 1
" " " with 15.69M: 1
You can't take the model used for half a million voters and apply it to a nation with 152,666,000 total registered voters. It might be a place to start the planning process, but it's not even close to a one-size-fits-all system.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 01:06:36 PM
Why do you keep saying voter rolls? That's not the norm that I know of you don't get to pick and choose the extremes to win the argument. I think Hawaii's system is great and the whole nation should adopt it. Cleanse the rolls and require people to sign up is perfectly reasonable things.
Cleansing the roles IS a reasonable thing to expect, and most states have laws in place to do exactly that. But the roles go on and on like a snowball until it accumulates so many bad registrations, it takes sometimes years to fix it. Each state is responsible for their own voter roles, so you can't really hold Trump or the GOP to blame for this.
I think right after this election is done, they make backups of the registration info, then PURGE the roles completely. Then, every eligible voter is required to register online or in person to be added back.
There are people voting in multiple states. They used to live in New York and moved to Florida. They are registered in both state and receive an absentee ballot for New York. They also vote in person in FL. These are documented cases, so you know there are many more as yet undiscovered and reported.
Purge and reenroll. It's the only way to get rid of double registrations and ineligible voters.
We also need to stop people like Bloomberg from paying off the debts of felons just to get them to vote again. That completely flies in the face of requiring people convicted of felonies to own up to their wrongdoings and taking responsibility themselves. Bloomberg and others who pay these fines, costs and restitutions on behalf of the convicted felons are as bad as parents who use their checkbooks to bail out their kids when they intentionally break the law so the kid can play football at school or attend the prom. Whatever the rationale, it defeats the purpose of requiring things like restitution.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 01:17:55 PM
In case you missed it the 50 times I said it, the ROLES are the mechanism states MUST USE to accomplish a 100% mail-in election. That's why I keep saying it.
From an IT perspective: garbage in, garbage out.
if you have 1M more registered voters than are eligible or live in the state, that's not only 1M extra ballots to print and mail (cost), it's also 1M more ballots the post office must handle. And, if the 1M ballots end up in the hands of someone other than the addressee (old roommate, family member of deceased, tossed in a handy trashcan or cardboard box next to the rows of apartment or housing mailboxes, etc, etc), that's 1M more potentially fraudulent ballots.
PA courts just said mail-in ballots there that have signatures that do not match the one on file MUST BE COUNTED. They can try to later contact the voter and see if that's their ballot and votes, but there's no manpower for doing that tens of thousands of times before the state makes the vote results official.
Mail-in balloting is just a bad idea. These same Dems couldn't even run their own primary elections without massive glitches. Do we even know if Iowa ever turned in their results yet? After 3 weeks, I stopped tracking it.
Post by: omnigun on October 29, 2020, 01:28:53 PM
So only convictions. So since OJ wasn't convicted of killing anyone, who killed his wife and her bf? The "real killer" was never found found. And the tape of Hillary bragging that she knew her client raped the girl, but got the evidence thrown out (haha) and a not guilty, guess that guy didn't rape the girl either. Since you're only looking at convictions.
I do agree with you though, I don't believe "those types of videos" either. Like vids of the moon landing, round earth, space travel, airplane hitting the tower on 9/11, etc...
If they found not guilty I guess they not guilty :geekdanc:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 01:31:38 PM
If they found not guilty I guess they not guilty :geekdanc:
OJ Simpson and Al Capone were unavailable for comment.
Post by: omnigun on October 29, 2020, 01:32:19 PM
Cleansing the roles IS a reasonable thing to expect, and most states have laws in place to do exactly that. But the roles go on and on like a snowball until it accumulates so many bad registrations, it takes sometimes years to fix it. Each state is responsible for their own voter roles, so you can't really hold Trump or the GOP to blame for this.
I think right after this election is done, they make backups of the registration info, then PURGE the roles completely. Then, every eligible voter is required to register online or in person to be added back.
There are people voting in multiple states. They used to live in New York and moved to Florida. They are registered in both state and receive an absentee ballot for New York. They also vote in person in FL. These are documented cases, so you know there are many more as yet undiscovered and reported.
Purge and reenroll. It's the only way to get rid of double registrations and ineligible voters.
We also need to stop people like Bloomberg from paying off the debts of felons just to get them to vote again. That completely flies in the face of requiring people convicted of felonies to own up to their wrongdoings and taking responsibility themselves. Bloomberg and others who pay these fines, costs and restitutions on behalf of the convicted felons are as bad as parents who use their checkbooks to bail out their kids when they intentionally break the law so the kid can play football at school or attend the prom. Whatever the rationale, it defeats the purpose of requiring things like restitution.
I agree with you on the purging of voter ROLES. But disagree with you on felons. They served their time. They deserve to get back their rights. How they pay those fines are up to them. Nothing is wrong with getting free money, people beg all the time for money. The punishment was prison, not infinite no voting rights and debt.
Post by: omnigun on October 29, 2020, 01:34:16 PM
OMIGOD:
In case you missed it the 50 times I said it, the ROLES are the mechanism states MUST USE to accomplish a 100% mail-in election. That's why I keep saying it.
From an IT perspective: garbage in, garbage out.
if you have 1M more registered voters than are eligible or live in the state, that's not only 1M extra ballots to print and mail (cost), it's also 1M more ballots the post office must handle. And, if the 1M ballots end up in the hands of someone other than the addressee (old roommate, family member of deceased, tossed in a handy trashcan or cardboard box next to the rows of apartment or housing mailboxes, etc, etc), that's 1M more potentially fraudulent ballots.
PA courts just said mail-in ballots there that have signatures that do not match the one on file MUST BE COUNTED. They can try to later contact the voter and see if that's their ballot and votes, but there's no manpower for doing that tens of thousands of times before the state makes the vote results official.
Mail-in balloting is just a bad idea. These same Dems couldn't even run their own primary elections without massive glitches. Do we even know if Iowa ever turned in their results yet? After 3 weeks, I stopped tracking it.
I dont believe there is any state with 100% mail in voting. Not sure where you get the 100% figure. You do know that you have to sign your ballot and have it match up. I can get 1000 ballots from the trash but 0 are valid if I cant perfectly fake all their signatures...
The bigger states yes thats more ballots, exactly why we need to increase USPS funding, get them way more staff to be able to accomplish this task.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 01:38:22 PM
I dont believe there is any state with 100% mail in voting. Not sure where you get the 100% figure. You do know that you have to sign your ballot and have it match up. I can get 1000 ballots from the trash but 0 are valid if I cant perfectly fake all their signatures...
The bigger states yes thats more ballots, exactly why we need to increase USPS funding, get them way more staff to be able to accomplish this task.
Did you even read my comment about PA courts allowing ballots with mismatching signatures? :sleeping:
As for your "beliefs", here we go AGAIN!!
Quote
This fall, all or most voters in 10 states and Washington, DC will receive a ballot in the mail,
and all voters in 33 additional states will be able to vote by mail without an excuse or due to
COVID-19 concerns. Most or all voters in some states will also receive mail ballot applications
from their election officials.
https://www.businessinsider.com/states-where-you-can-vote-by-mail-map-2020-8?op=1
So, no, your belief is just another made-up "fact" that you failed to do the most rudimentary research on.
Post by: omnigun on October 29, 2020, 01:50:25 PM
Did you even read my comment about PA courts allowing ballots with mismatching signatures? :sleeping:
As for your "beliefs", here we go AGAIN!!
https://www.businessinsider.com/states-where-you-can-vote-by-mail-map-2020-8?op=1
So, no, your belief is just another made-up "fact" that you failed to do the most rudimentary research on.
10 out of 50
33 out of 50
To me the 33 states are considered the norm. I am not arguing with you on the 10 states being dumb. I disagree with what they did too.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 01:53:20 PM
10 out of 50
33 out of 50
To me the 33 states are considered the norm. I am not arguing with you on the 10 states being dumb. I disagree with what they did too.
You are deflecting from your comment "I dont believe there is any state with 100% mail in voting. Not sure where you get the 100% figure."
You were wrong. Own it, and address it.
Stop throwing out FALSE beliefs and feelings, then pivoting to another point.
Post by: omnigun on October 29, 2020, 02:07:20 PM
You are deflecting from your comment "I dont believe there is any state with 100% mail in voting. Not sure where you get the 100% figure."
You were wrong. Own it, and address it.
Stop throwing out FALSE beliefs and feelings, then pivoting to another point.
Ok I was wrong on that. I am perfectly fine with admitting when I am wrong, not as bad as you. You do the same thing you accuse me of doing but worse.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 02:14:12 PM
Ok I was wrong on that. I am perfectly fine with admitting when I am wrong, not as bad as you. You do the same thing you accuse me of doing but worse.
So, your position is "two wrongs make your behavior right?"
See how that "implying what you meant, and not using your posted words" can be used against you, too? :geekdanc:
I'm not aware I do that often, or even "worse" (not sure how being wrong has degrees of better and worse). I'd have to be wrong before I deflect from it. Doesn't happen that often. :thumbsup: :rofl: 8)
Post by: aieahound on October 29, 2020, 02:37:52 PM
I'd have to be wrong before I deflect from it. Doesn't happen that often. :thumbsup: :rofl: 8)
Oh Snap ! Is that sentence for real ?
Do you know how many direct questions I posed to you over the years as your multiple personalities, I mean user names, that you never answered and zigged and zagged away from with petty attacks instead of answers. (Aka deflected)
“ give me an example”. There’s too many.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 03:50:44 PM
Oh Snap ! Is that sentence for real ?
Do you know how many direct questions I posed to you over the years as your multiple personalities, I mean user names, that you never answered and zigged and zagged away from with petty attacks instead of answers. (Aka deflected)
“ give me an example”. There’s too many.
I have you on ignore. You're lucky if I give you the time of day, Troll Boy. :stopjack:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 04:01:00 PM
How can we trust them to deliver ballots on time when these incidents are reported regularly.
I'm sure much of it is by identity thieves. If your filled-out ballot, or even your blank ballot, winds up in a dumpster, how would you know until it's too late to vote?
https://youtu.be/n4_evzp-aFg
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 04:05:33 PM
Is this a Halloween Ghost Story?
Or is it only par for the course when Democrats are facing a scandal?
Wonder who's going to get Epstein'ed next?
A follow-up. UPS said they found the flash drive with the missing documents that was lost, but they can't explain what happened. After 24 hrs from FOX reporting the problem on air, the contents were reportedly located.
:wtf:
https://youtu.be/lXgO7L0rcAQ
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 04:08:37 PM
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Federal Criminal Investigation of Joe Biden’s Ukrainian Influence-peddling Opened.
Former Vice President Joe Biden is under an active criminal investigation into his
role in the Ukraine influence-peddling scandal, following the release of additional
documents concerning Russia’s alleged interference in the 2016 election. Paul Sperry,
a Washington-based investigative journalist and Hoover Institution media fellow, tweeted
on Tuesday:
https://youtu.be/g5Mwgtw0U7U
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 04:26:53 PM
Maybe at 80 years of age, he's terrified for personal reasons. He also has preexisting conditions like aneurysms and other problems. If his circulatory system is not in top shape, a virus is not something he is assured of surviving. I did read that some study thinks COVIS-19 "survivors" reported "brain clouds" or fogginess in their thinking. At Joe's stage of dementia, maybe he's worried he's already too far gone to risk even more mental decline?
Trump at 74 just kicked the virus. His whole staff who reported to be infected has kicked it. I see no signs of fogginess in Trump's mental acuity.
Joe's in his basement, saying Trump caused 200,000 people to die of a virus.
I'm more sick of Joe and the lockdown than any potential illness COVID-19 might cause.
Post by: robtmc on October 29, 2020, 06:00:11 PM
I did read that some study thinks COVIS-19 "survivors" reported "brain clouds" or fogginess in their thinking.Would China Joe or his sycophants even notice?
Post by: robtmc on October 29, 2020, 06:01:42 PM
After 24 hrs from FOX reporting the problem on air, the contents were reportedly located.USB drive mysteriously wiped clean?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 06:02:05 PM
Would China Joe or his sycophants even notice?
Joe and his China cohorts trying to create a global population of Joe Bidens?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 06:03:45 PM
USB drive mysteriously wiped clean?
I didn't hear Tucker say that.
Fortunately they made copies before sending the info.
I wonder why they didn't find a way to upload the data to a secure location for Tucker or anyone else to have access?
Worried about getting hacked, maybe? Can't trust big tech to protect their data.
Post by: macsak on October 29, 2020, 06:12:22 PM
I didn't hear Tucker say that.
Fortunately they made copies before sending the info.
I wonder why they didn't find a way to upload the data to a secure location for Tucker or anyone else to have access?
Worried about getting hacked, maybe? Can't trust big tech to protect their data.
what are you talking about?
i feel there's no way that big tech would do that
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 06:34:00 PM
what are you talking about?
i feel there's no way that big tech would do that
I believe there must be civil and criminals laws that would be in play. Years from now, long after the election, there would be a settlement.
Post by: macsak on October 29, 2020, 06:54:23 PM
I believe there must be civil and criminals laws that would be in play. Years from now, long after the election, there would be a settlement.
kind of like omnigun's bets...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 07:00:27 PM
kind of like omnigun's bets...
OMIGOD! :geekdanc:
Post by: aieahound on October 29, 2020, 07:13:18 PM
I have you on ignore. You're lucky if I give you the time of day, Troll Boy. :stopjack:
Another example of zig zag, petty attack.
Of course you blocked me, you can’t handle direct questions.
Which you’ve shown over and over and over again.
Post by: macsak on October 29, 2020, 07:15:15 PM
Another example of zig zag, petty attack.
Of course you blocked me, you can’t handle direct questions.
Which you’ve shown over and over and over again.
i don't understand how he was able to answer you by quoting your post if he has you blocked
just sayin...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 07:39:47 PM
i don't understand how he was able to answer you by quoting your post if he has you blocked
just sayin...
There's a link under blocked posts in web browsers that say, "Show me the post."
In Tapatalk, I noticed you just see the number of hidden posts with no "override" to view them.
Just sayin...
(https://i.imgur.com/I6KlxOE.png?1)
Post by: robtmc on October 29, 2020, 08:16:58 PM
There's a link under blocked posts in web browsers that say, "Show me the post."Unfortunately in this website software, unlike others, if someone quotes a blocked liberal, you do see some of the garbage.
i do not tolerate liberals IRL, no reason to on internetz forums.
Two of these are just blatant leftist trolls thinking it great sport to attack and argue with thier enemies. The other is just plain weird and creepy.
Post by: macsak on October 29, 2020, 08:23:46 PM
There's a link under blocked posts in web browsers that say, "Show me the post."
In Tapatalk, I noticed you just see the number of hidden posts with no "override" to view them.
Just sayin...
(https://i.imgur.com/I6KlxOE.png?1)
so you ignore the user, but still read their posts?
and have to do one additional step for every post?
just sayin...
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2020, 08:26:45 PM
so you ignore the user, but still read their posts?
and have to do one additional step for every post?
just sayin...
You were doing so well until now. I guess I'll be ignoring you more since you're making this about me.
Go back to heads and clips. It's what you do best.
Post by: dogman on October 29, 2020, 08:28:59 PM
You were doing so well until now. I guess I'll be ignoring you more since you're making this about me.Bullets and magazines
Go back to heads and clips. It's what you do best.
Post by: macsak on October 29, 2020, 08:33:03 PM
You were doing so well until now. I guess I'll be ignoring you more since you're making this about me.
Go back to heads and clips. It's what you do best.
i'll let you have the last word then...
Post by: astroboy on October 29, 2020, 11:58:41 PM
https://youtu.be/MA8a2g6tTp0
Post by: astroboy on October 30, 2020, 12:02:12 AM
https://youtu.be/XGXRvDT2k8I
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 30, 2020, 12:43:55 AM
[the voter fraud organization video]
That can be taken two ways, neither of which is good for Biden.
1. He actually meant they are committing voter fraud. Not likely, but would be very bad (illegal) if true.
2. He REALLY meant they have the most extensive voter fraud prevention, or investigation, organization in US history. Why would we need the best voter fraud enforcement in US history when the Dems swear every single day of the week and TWICE on Sunday that there's no evidence of wide spread voter fraud? I doubt seriously anything Joe organized could be credited with completely eradicating voter fraud from the US. He can't even complete a sentence half the time he's talking, and he has total control over that!!
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 30, 2020, 12:54:43 AM
Do you know why they have so much trouble swimming? Because of unrealistic mandates placed on the post office by a republican congress and republican president.
https://theweek.com/articles/767184/how-george-bush-broke-post-office
"A lot of people point to the rise of email, as well as private competitors like FedEx. Certainly, all those things contribute to USPS's problems. But what's really dragging down the Postal Service is something else entirely.
Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006.
Passed by a Republican-led Congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush, the PAEA gave the Postal Service new accounting and funding rules for its retiree pension and health benefits. Up until 2006, the USPS funded those obligations on a pay-as-you-go-basis, pulling out of its pension fund and adding to it as retirees' costs came in. But the PAEA required the Postal Service to calculate all of its likely pension costs over the next 75 years, and then sock away enough money between 2007 and 2016 to cover most of them."
It is hard to demand the post office function like a business with no tax funding while simultaneously having the government placing such restrictive requirements on them. It's like putting extra weight on a swimmer and complaining they are having trouble swimming. I totally agree that government should be more efficient and smaller but the USPS would be safely above water if it weren't for the requirements.
After ENRON, didn't the government pass laws requiring pension fund investments be diversified, making it just as much of a burden on private business as they did the Post Office? The underlying purpose of the laws are to make sure the pension plans are funded, and that pensioners and current employees are not left in the lurch by another collapse that takes their pensions with them.
Seems like an even playing field to me, unless you can find a comparison that shows evidence the USPS pension fund is being saddled with more strict rules than the private sector. I'm betting the "new USPS rules" were added around the same time as the post-ENRON rules were passed for everyone else.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 30, 2020, 08:45:44 AM
Post by: punaperson on October 30, 2020, 10:15:04 AM
Just out of curiosity, what is "Trunalimunumaprzure"? And exactly how would one go about mobilizing it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV5HbLI_TdM
Post by: ren on October 30, 2020, 11:00:44 AM
Yeah, right... this guy should be the leader of the United States.
Just out of curiosity, what is "Trunalimunumaprzure"? And exactly how would one go about mobilizing it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV5HbLI_TdM
C'mon man! You know the thing!
Post by: punaperson on October 30, 2020, 11:09:25 AM
C'mon man! You know the thing!Oh, yeah, pardon me. For a second there I forgot.
Post by: hvybarrels on October 30, 2020, 11:27:08 AM
Post by: hvybarrels on October 30, 2020, 11:27:34 AM
Post by: hvybarrels on October 30, 2020, 11:28:34 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 30, 2020, 01:19:21 PM
Oh, yeah, pardon me. For a second there I forgot.
That's expected at your age .....
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 30, 2020, 06:43:43 PM
After ENRON, didn't the government pass laws requiring pension fund investments be diversified, making it just as much of a burden on private business as they did the Post Office? The underlying purpose of the laws are to make sure the pension plans are funded, and that pensioners and current employees are not left in the lurch by another collapse that takes their pensions with them.
Seems like an even playing field to me, unless you can find a comparison that shows evidence the USPS pension fund is being saddled with more strict rules than the private sector. I'm betting the "new USPS rules" were added around the same time as the post-ENRON rules were passed for everyone else.
Yes, private companies are required to fund pensions as well but the regulations governing the USPS take it above and beyond what the rest of private industry is required to do, it requires additional funding so it isn't really an even playing field. The article goes more in depth into this. They also have to get permission from a commission to raise postal rates so it is hard to compare it to the private sector.
Post by: aieahound on October 30, 2020, 06:58:08 PM
Yes, private companies are required to fund pensions as well but the regulations governing the USPS take it above and beyond what the rest of private industry is required to do, it requires additional funding so it isn't really an even playing field. The article goes more in depth into this. They also have to get permission from a commission to raise postal rates so it is hard to compare it to the private sector.
That’s why most private companies no longer offer pensions.
“ At one time, 88 percent of private sector workers who had a workplace retirement plan had a pension. That number is now 33 percent. So what happened? Where did all the private sector pensions go? While the advent of the 401(k) certainly played a role, the true cause may have more to do with a series of laws passed from the mid-1980s to the mid-2000s. These laws had the inadvertent effect of causing the decline of defined benefit pensions.”
https://protectpensions.org/2016/08/04/happened-private-sector-pensions/
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 30, 2020, 07:04:52 PM
That’s why most private companies no longer offer pensions.
“ At one time, 88 percent of private sector workers who had a workplace retirement plan had a pension. That number is now 33 percent. So what happened? Where did all the private sector pensions go? While the advent of the 401(k) certainly played a role, the true cause may have more to do with a series of laws passed from the mid-1980s to the mid-2000s. These laws had the inadvertent effect of causing the decline of defined benefit pensions.”
https://protectpensions.org/2016/08/04/happened-private-sector-pensions/
Interesting, thanks for the context.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 31, 2020, 12:38:32 AM
https://youtu.be/AvgOYmKCm2c
Post by: macsak on October 31, 2020, 05:51:09 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 31, 2020, 01:34:28 PM
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Someone appears to have attempted to register dozens of dead people as Democrats in Florida,
Steven Vancore, Broward County Supervisor of Elections spokesperson, confirmed in an emailed
statement to Fox News.
Officials in Broward County, a Democratic stronghold and Florida’s second-most populous county,
uncovered the scheme over the summer.
“Fortunately the system we have in place works, the improper registrations were flagged in a timely
manner and the information was turned over to law enforcement for prosecution,” Vancore added.
“We are also pleased to inform you that there was no attempt by this person or persons to cast a
ballot.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-dead-voters-2020-election
Not every state has Florida's registration process to prevent bogus registrations and votes. Florida has been upgrading theirs ever since the 2000 election debacles with hanging chads, etc.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 31, 2020, 01:45:26 PM
https://youtu.be/ff6dAjyRNBk
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 31, 2020, 02:03:44 PM
Yeah, he's sundowning. No other explanation.
https://youtu.be/AvgOYmKCm2c
I tried listening at half-normal speed. It sounds exactly the same as normal speed: 100% authentic gibberish.
Post by: astroboy on October 31, 2020, 08:44:11 PM
Post by: punaperson on November 02, 2020, 04:34:17 AM
Post by: ren on November 02, 2020, 11:56:46 AM
lol at comments
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 02, 2020, 12:02:10 PM
https://www.kitv.com/story/42854374/stocks-zoom-higher-as-wall-street-predicts-joe-biden-will-win (https://www.kitv.com/story/42854374/stocks-zoom-higher-as-wall-street-predicts-joe-biden-will-win)
lol at comments
That makes zero sense. They just trying to get votes for BIden by saying the market is rising if he's elected. We all know it will tank if he's elected.
Post by: Jl808 on November 02, 2020, 12:12:14 PM
Last night I was watching my YouTube feed and saw a clip where Biden said he is a kitchen table. I was going to show it to my wife but within minutes, the clip had disappeared and I couldn’t search for it anymore. Social media has joined the ranks of lamestream media.
Post by: Jl808 on November 02, 2020, 12:13:29 PM
https://youtu.be/GVxWcyKn8JY
I think he meant to say “at the kitchen table,”. English, hard!
Post by: hvybarrels on November 02, 2020, 12:56:44 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/not-onion-most-common-female-name-biden-voter-karen
Post by: drck1000 on November 02, 2020, 05:13:35 PM
https://youtu.be/FiWTNEKC9L8
Post by: ren on November 02, 2020, 05:21:52 PM
and if Biden wins its all Omnigun's fault. Lol
Post by: omnigun on November 02, 2020, 06:12:07 PM
I did not see Weekend at Bernies. If Biden gets elected that's 4 years of constant reruns :crazy: :( >:(
and if Biden wins its all Omnigun's fault. Lol
Yes clearly. The person who didn't vote for him is at fault. At that logic you are at fault for voting for trump and letting biden win.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 02, 2020, 06:13:43 PM
Yes clearly. The person who didn't vote for him is at fault. At that logic you are at fault for voting for trump and letting biden win.
How many people read your "I'm voting Biden" posts and then cast an early ballot? You may have waited too late to change your mind.
Post by: omnigun on November 02, 2020, 06:17:48 PM
How many people read your "I'm voting Biden" posts and then cast an early ballot? You may have waited too late to change your mind.
Last time I checked according to the poll there was 0 affect. Also we live in Hawaii, no votes in Hawaii matter. Our delegates always go to democrats.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 02, 2020, 06:19:17 PM
Last time I checked according to the poll there was 0 affect. Also we live in Hawaii, no votes in Hawaii matter. Our delegates always go to democrats.
We have users from other states regularly reading this forum.
It's a fact! :geekdanc:
Post by: ren on November 02, 2020, 06:38:29 PM
Yes clearly. The person who didn't vote for him is at fault. At that logic you are at fault for voting for trump and letting biden win.
Orange man bad. Lol
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 02, 2020, 07:11:54 PM
Uh, whut...
https://youtu.be/FiWTNEKC9L8
Lol!! :rofl: :rofl:
Does anyone even have any idea as to what he was trying to say? Every time I replay it I laugh so hard I cannot concentrate as to what he could be saying. I think the last word was pressure.
Yeah, jibberish under pressure. Just imagine him conducting himself with foreign heads of state.
Post by: drck1000 on November 02, 2020, 07:35:12 PM
Lol!! :rofl: :rofl:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201103/79e5b47097b1bbb806b1dd616554d913.jpg)
Does anyone even have any idea as to what he was trying to say? Every time I replay it I laugh so hard I cannot concentrate as to what he could be saying. I think the last word was pressure.
Yeah, jibberish under pressure. Just imagine him conducting himself with foreign heads of state.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 02, 2020, 07:48:34 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 02, 2020, 08:00:12 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201103/79e5b47097b1bbb806b1dd616554d913.jpg)
Ha Ha! I'm thinking of practicing to try to imitate this phrase. Then when I come across a Biden supporter I'll unload my TRUENANASHAVADAPRESHER impression :rofl:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 02, 2020, 08:01:06 PM
Ha Ha! I'm thinking of practicing to try to imitate this phrase. Then when I come across a Biden supporter I'll unload my TRUENANASHAVADAPRESHER impression :rofl:
Make it your ring tone. :geekdanc:
Post by: macsak on November 03, 2020, 05:51:15 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 03, 2020, 01:26:18 PM
Critics slam Harris for video they say pushes 'communism'
https://t.co/G6J3vrTLqG
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Very helpful of Kamala to publicly endorse socialism on twitter today. I mean we
all knew it was coming, but she’s saying it out loud now. Thank you.
https://t.co/G6J3vrTLqG
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) November 2, 2020
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/very-helpful-of-kamala-to-publicly-endorse-socialism-critics-slam-harris-for-video-they-say-pushes-communism
Post by: drck1000 on November 03, 2020, 01:46:26 PM
'Very helpful of Kamala to publicly endorse socialism':Still seeing so many supporting her because girl power or minority power. All without knowledge of what she has actually done TO them, as opposed to for them. Makes me :gahhhhhhh:
Critics slam Harris for video they say pushes 'communism'
https://t.co/G6J3vrTLqG
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/very-helpful-of-kamala-to-publicly-endorse-socialism-critics-slam-harris-for-video-they-say-pushes-communism
Post by: astroboy on November 18, 2020, 10:53:00 PM
https://youtu.be/U8-UiNei9_U?list=RDU8-UiNei9_U
Post by: astroboy on November 18, 2020, 10:58:19 PM
https://youtu.be/qxHQ8wniMRw
Post by: drck1000 on November 20, 2020, 01:02:04 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 20, 2020, 01:13:07 PM
Biden’s Bday is today. Make sure you wish him a great one!
Did the Secret Service alert the fire department? That cake could be considered a bonfire.
I heard Biden brought out a copy of his birth certificate. It was printed on the back of a hospital menu, because WWII rationing was still going on. :popcorn:
Post by: Inspector on November 20, 2020, 01:20:29 PM
Did the Secret Service alert the fire department? That cake could be considered a bonfire.People were typing on Twitter today Happy 800th birthday Joe. :rofl:
I heard Biden brought out a copy of his birth certificate. It was printed on the back of a hospital menu, because WWII rationing was still going on. :popcorn:
Adding the extra 0 on purpose! :rofl:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 20, 2020, 02:56:54 PM
People were typing on Twitter today Happy 800th birthday Joe. :rofl:
Adding the extra 0 on purpose! :rofl:
I think he's lying about his age -- or just doesn't remember.
I say we cut him in half and count the rings .... :geekdanc:
Post by: robtmc on November 20, 2020, 03:12:39 PM
whoops lost the Biden link. Let me try it again.
https://youtu.be/qxHQ8wniMRw
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 02, 2020, 05:04:49 PM
President-elect has adopted Trump polices he once criticized; reaction and analysis on 'The Five'.
https://youtu.be/NmdEuZgN_v8
Post by: drck1000 on December 02, 2020, 05:21:14 PM
After months of policy brainstorming, Joe finally came up with his administration's slogan .... :popcorn:
President-elect has adopted Trump polices he once criticized; reaction and analysis on 'The Five'.
How dare you address the "Office of the President Elect" in that manner. . .
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 02, 2020, 05:24:58 PM
How dare you address the "Office of the President Elect" in that manner. . .
The President Elect?
I checked the Constitution for where that office is defined and what, if any, government powers are bestowed upon it.
So far, it eludes me. Must be somewhere in the very fine print .... :geekdanc:
Post by: punaperson on December 02, 2020, 05:33:35 PM
The President Elect?Yeah, that's ("The Office of the President Elect") just more delusional psychosis of China Bidet and his socialist sycophants. No amount of wallpaper is gonna make it real.
I checked the Constitution for where that office is defined and what, if any, government powers are bestowed upon it.
So far, it eludes me. Must be somewhere in the very fine print .... :geekdanc:
I'm quickly heading in the direction of the martial law (Insurrection Act) option for a new election administered by the military using only paper ballots (no electronic machines/software) with rigorous ID requirements. I mean if the SCOTUS thing doesn't work out.
Post by: drck1000 on December 02, 2020, 05:36:24 PM
The President Elect?
I checked the Constitution for where that office is defined and what, if any, government powers are bestowed upon it.
So far, it eludes me. Must be somewhere in the very fine print .... :geekdanc:
Yeah, that's ("The Office of the President Elect") just more delusional psychosis of China Bidet and his socialist sycophants. No amount of wallpaper is gonna make it real.Yeah, I noticed that when he "released" a statement for Thanksgiving. I was like "WTF"? That was the strangest thing. Then I thought about how those propo videos in the movies. . . :hmm:
I'm quickly heading in the direction of the martial law (Insurrection Act) option for a new election administered by the military using only paper ballots (no electronic machines/software) with rigorous ID requirements. I mean if the SCOTUS thing doesn't work out.
I mean regardless of election stuff, that was just straight up strange. Like he's pushing his own reality, and it seemed to work since I've seen many folks eating it up. . . strange. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 02, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
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Post by: punaperson on December 02, 2020, 05:57:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/NjnxRKV.png?1)
Post by: drck1000 on December 03, 2020, 07:37:42 AM
For someone who claims they got 70 million votes, only 1k watched his speech.Haha. SM aspect of likes and dislikes?
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If wallpaper made shit real... maybe if they had it written a few more times in different sizes and fonts... that'd make it more real for me for sure. Assholes. Does Whor@ass have her own The Office of the Vice-President Elect? Where's her wallpaper? I call racist and sexist!
I'm surprised it didn't incorporate emojis and the language of the "movement". . .
Post by: omnigun on December 03, 2020, 08:36:26 AM
For someone who claims they got 70 million votes, only 1k watched his speech.
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Not surprising if this is true, he won because he wasn't trump. If this was a small town, a cat probably would get elected over Trump.
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 03, 2020, 09:30:38 AM
Why hasn't Harris resigned her senate seat if she is so sure she will be the new VP?
Post by: aletheuo137 on December 03, 2020, 10:27:45 AM
I hope everyone realizes why they created a non official office. This ties into everything else that the fake news has done during the election, and even Harris not resigning from her senate seat yet. So when Trump is declared the victor due to a compromised election system and the house votes for him, there will be major rioting. I wonder if Alyssa Milano will still call for unity?You might have to get out your white board and pens for some people
Why hasn't Harris resigned her senate seat if she is so sure she will be the new VP?
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 03, 2020, 10:48:42 AM
I hope everyone realizes why they created a non official office. This ties into everything else that the fake news has done during the election, and even Harris not resigning from her senate seat yet. So when Trump is declared the victor due to a compromised election system and the house votes for him, there will be major rioting. I wonder if Alyssa Milano will still call for unity?
Why hasn't Harris resigned her senate seat if she is so sure she will be the new VP?
Biden said he'll resign from his Senate seat the day before his inauguration, and not a day earlier. :crazy:
Post by: ren on December 09, 2020, 01:51:13 PM
bottom line...we got sold out
Post by: drck1000 on December 15, 2020, 11:37:13 AM
Post by: ren on December 15, 2020, 12:33:17 PM
Now “Dr” Jill Biden for Surgeon General? :wtf:
fake news
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 15, 2020, 01:55:53 PM
Now “Dr” Jill Biden for Surgeon General? :wtf:
The View was glowing about how "Dr. Jill Biden" is a great doctor and would make a wonderful USSG.
Her doctoral degree is in Education ... same as Dr. Bill Cosby. She has ZERO medical training.
According to the AP Style Guide:
Quote
Before a name, use Dr. on first reference for a person who holds a doctor of dental surgery,
doctor of medicine, doctor of osteopathy, or doctor of podiatric medicine degree. For multiple
people, use Drs. Do not continue the use of Dr. in subsequent references.
Care should be taken when referring to people with non-medical degrees as doctors; state
the person’s specialty by the second reference (visit Know Your AP Style: Academic degrees).
Proper use for a non-medical doctor: "English primatologist Dr. Jane Goodall is an expert on
chimpanzees and has made a lifelong study of the species’ family structure in Tanzania."
http://www.gatehousenewsroom.com/2015/06/05/an-ap-style-rule-a-day-keeps-the-doctor-away/
So, Dr. Jill Biden is an incorrect usage in news articles UNLESS the writer includes the fact that she has a degree in education in the same or following (2nd) reference.
Such idiots in the media and The View.
Post by: drck1000 on December 15, 2020, 02:07:32 PM
The View was glowing about how "Dr. Jill Biden" is a great doctor and would make a wonderful USSG.If The View said it, makes it fact, right? [sarcasm]
Her doctoral degree is in Education ... same as Dr. Bill Cosby. She has ZERO medical training.
According to the AP Style Guide:
http://www.gatehousenewsroom.com/2015/06/05/an-ap-style-rule-a-day-keeps-the-doctor-away/
So, Dr. Jill Biden is an incorrect usage in news articles UNLESS the writer includes the fact that she has a degree in education in the same or following (2nd) reference.
Such idiots in the media and The View.
Scary how much show like that can influence. Like Oprah, SJR, etc back in the day. Drives me bonkers. I'd like to kick Ms. Beaches in the clams. . .
Post by: Inspector on December 15, 2020, 02:40:53 PM
If The View said it, makes it fact, right? [sarcasm]My wife you to watch that show. OMG you wouldn’t believe some of the things she would repeat. I finally had to put my foot down and I showed her how they lie about things and are actually pretty stupid like someone we know. So she stopped watching them. At least she listens to me and then the news and makes up her own mind.
Scary how much show like that can influence. Like Oprah, SJR, etc back in the day. Drives me bonkers. I'd like to kick Ms. Beaches in the clams. . .
Post by: robtmc on December 15, 2020, 07:09:14 PM
OMG you wouldn’t believe some of the things she would repeatMine "does" facef*ck, to my disgust.
Claims she avoids the liberal political stuff, but occasionally says some thing goofy and leftist. i know where it came from, she is more thatn a bit suggestive. Touchy about it as well.
Post by: macsak on December 15, 2020, 07:21:08 PM
Quote
Before a name, use Dr. on first reference for a person who holds a doctor of dental surgery,
doctor of medicine, doctor of osteopathy, or doctor of podiatric medicine degree. For multiple
people, use Drs. Do not continue the use of Dr. in subsequent references.
Care should be taken when referring to people with non-medical degrees as doctors; state
the person’s specialty by the second reference (visit Know Your AP Style: Academic degrees).
Proper use for a non-medical doctor: "English primatologist Dr. Jane Goodall is an expert on
chimpanzees and has made a lifelong study of the species’ family structure in Tanzania."
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 15, 2020, 08:32:02 PM
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Post by: Inspector on December 16, 2020, 02:35:20 AM
Mine "does" facef*ck, to my disgust.My wife is a life long Democrat. She used to vote strictly down party lines. We didn’t discuss politics much because if we disagreed she would start to cry. After we moved to Hawaii she became a non voting person. She worked for a non profit that changed her views on a lot of things because she got a view into how both how federal and Hawaii local governments worked. She lost her job basically because the CEO of the non profit stole a lot of the grant money and donations. So she was quite bitter about that. She worked in the accounting department. Then it dawned on her that so much of government grant money is wasted just running these types of programs even if the CEO did not embezzle. Social programs can be a big waste of our tax dollars. She felt good about working for an org that helped disabled people live on their own with minimal help. But after seeing the wasted money and how poorly all these orgs are run and the government regs they had to jump through she came home one day and admitted that social programs are not doing what the politicians claimed. Then in the last election before this year, Ige approached her company asking for an endorsement and a donation. In exchange they would receive more funding or grants if elected. Guess what? They gave an endorsement and a donation and Ige turned his nose up at them and no extra funding or grants ever came. The money dried up, the CEO got caught and the org was shuttered. She was very unhappy. We discussed the whole situation. Fast forward to moving to AZ and all of the sudden she is watching the news and she starts getting pissed because they are lying about something. Surprised the hell out of me. So with the election brewing she decided to register and vote and get more involved in our little town which is being infiltrated and taken over by progressives. She registered Republican and voted a straight Republican ticket. Blew me away. I had an idea she was a closet conservative but for some reason she thought she had to vote Democrat because her Dad did. It was a feeling thing I believe. Anyway, she still has some Democrat in her and that is fine but now we can discuss politics without her crying if we disagree. I think not watching The View and her look into government waste really opened her eyes.
Claims she avoids the liberal political stuff, but occasionally says some thing goofy and leftist. i know where it came from, she is more thatn a bit suggestive. Touchy about it as well.
Post by: groveler on December 16, 2020, 01:25:30 PM
My wife is a life long Democrat. She used to vote strictly down party lines. We didn’t discuss politics much because if we disagreed she would start to cry. After we moved to Hawaii she became a non voting person. She worked for a non profit that changed her views on a lot of things because she got a view into how both how federal and Hawaii local governments worked. She lost her job basically because the CEO of the non profit stole a lot of the grant money and donations. So she was quite bitter about that. She worked in the accounting department. Then it dawned on her that so much of government grant money is wasted just running these types of programs even if the CEO did not embezzle. Social programs can be a big waste of our tax dollars. She felt good about working for an org that helped disabled people live on their own with minimal help. But after seeing the wasted money and how poorly all these orgs are run and the government regs they had to jump through she came home one day and admitted that social programs are not doing what the politicians claimed. Then in the last election before this year, Ige approached her company asking for an endorsement and a donation. In exchange they would receive more funding or grants if elected. Guess what? They gave an endorsement and a donation and Ige turned his nose up at them and no extra funding or grants ever came. The money dried up, the CEO got caught and the org was shuttered. She was very unhappy. We discussed the whole situation. Fast forward to moving to AZ and all of the sudden she is watching the news and she starts getting pissed because they are lying about something. Surprised the hell out of me. So with the election brewing she decided to register and vote and get more involved in our little town which is being infiltrated and taken over by progressives. She registered Republican and voted a straight Republican ticket. Blew me away. I had an idea she was a closet conservative but for some reason she thought she had to vote Democrat because her Dad did. It was a feeling thing I believe. Anyway, she still has some Democrat in her and that is fine but now we can discuss politics without her crying if we disagree. I think not watching The View and her look into government waste really opened her eyes.My wife was pretty apolitical.
She had a CCW permit and voted whatever.
in WA state.
When I retired we retained medical insurance
that wasn't cheap, but was good insurance.
Then came Obamacare and My wife suddenly
really paid attention to
what Democrats do to us.
Her Obamacare medical SUX!
I'm lucky she hasn't destroyed the TV.
given the recent Democrat Crimes.
I try to keep her on NewsMax as her Fox watching
is full of language that matches my and my family's
traditional Military language.
eg Use the F-word as a noun, verb and adjective all in
one sentence.
She was a military wife.
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 16, 2020, 01:36:30 PM
She registered Republican and voted a straight Republican ticket.
Then had the best sex after that. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
But in all seriousness, I'm glad Mrs. CMO and I have the same views. IDK what it would be like to be married to someone with TDS. I guess same could be said about dating someone who is anti 2a. I would just bone and dig. And got the perfect excuse, she's anti 2a. Mrs. CMO even wanted to buy a 3D printer at 1 point. I got a major boner when she said that.
When the results was coming in , she was pissed at what she saw with the Biden numbers. Like how they called CA when only 100K voted and WA when only 10K was tallied.
Post by: drck1000 on December 16, 2020, 01:39:38 PM
The had the best sex after that. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201216/899f193ec55e4788772ee1a757331900.jpg)
But in all seriousness, I'm glad Mrs. CMO and I have the same views. IDK what it would be like to be married to someone with TDS. I guess same could be said about dating someone who is anti 2a. I would just bone and dig. And got the perfect excuse, she's anti 2a. Mrs. CMO even wanted to buy a 3D printer at 1 point. I got a major boner when she said that.
When the results was coming in , she was pissed at what she saw with the Biden numbers. Like how they called CA when only 100K voted and WA when only 10K was tallied.
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 16, 2020, 01:41:04 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201216/899f193ec55e4788772ee1a757331900.jpg)
Don't give someone with a IT background ideas, he may think that's how it comes out of the printer.
Post by: Inspector on December 16, 2020, 01:52:34 PM
My wife was pretty apolitical.I worked construction most of my life so my wife learned all the different ways the “F” word can be used. She gets mad still at the local Fox News. They are not too bad. They don’t dwell into the political arena much. But when they do I am glad all my weapons are locked in the safe. :rofl:
She had a CCW permit and voted whatever.
in WA state.
When I retired we retained medical insurance
that wasn't cheap, but was good insurance.
Then came Obamacare and My wife suddenly
really paid attention to
what Democrats do to us.
Her Obamacare medical SUX!
I'm lucky she hasn't destroyed the TV.
given the recent Democrat Crimes.
I try to keep her on NewsMax as her Fox watching
is full of language that matches my and my family's
traditional Military language.
eg Use the F-word as a noun, verb and adjective all in
one sentence.
She was a military wife.
Post by: macsak on December 16, 2020, 02:44:45 PM
Then had the best sex after that. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
But in all seriousness, I'm glad Mrs. CMO and I have the same views. IDK what it would be like to be married to someone with TDS. I guess same could be said about dating someone who is anti 2a. I would just bone and dig. And got the perfect excuse, she's anti 2a. Mrs. CMO even wanted to buy a 3D printer at 1 point. I got a major boner when she said that.
When the results was coming in , she was pissed at what she saw with the Biden numbers. Like how they called CA when only 100K voted and WA when only 10K was tallied.
0.5 inch?
Post by: drck1000 on December 16, 2020, 02:50:25 PM
0.5 inch?around
Post by: Inspector on December 16, 2020, 02:53:57 PM
0.5 inch?You’re being generous! :rofl:
Post by: punaperson on December 16, 2020, 04:39:25 PM
around
You’re being generous! :rofl:
Dick size jokes?
Man, THE VIRUS!!! and election craziness are really taking a toll.
Post by: macsak on December 16, 2020, 05:20:51 PM
Dick size jokes?
Man, THE VIRUS!!! and election craziness are really taking a toll.
yeah, we need to be careful before someone offers to send us dick pics like he/she did to flapp
Post by: drck1000 on December 16, 2020, 05:24:02 PM
"lack of" Dick size jokes?
Man, THE VIRUS!!! and election craziness are really taking a toll.
FIFY :rofl:
Post by: aieahound on December 16, 2020, 06:14:00 PM
yeah, we need to be careful before someone offers to send us dick pics like he/she did to flapp
Sh!+
I’ll post a Dick pic. :D
He even shot a wad in a guys face. :rofl:
Post by: robtmc on December 16, 2020, 07:20:59 PM
My wife was pretty apolitical.Mine claims that, but when she out of the blue asks if what may be in the safe is an (A Salt thing)., I know where that came from, overriding several years of my parsing the crap she reads on that liberal sewer.
Criticize the BowelLMove types and she asks if I am a racisss if I oppose their crap. Again, I know where that came from.
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 17, 2020, 11:16:52 AM
1) The acting AG (Barr's replacement) doesn't need congress to do major investigations because he is the acting AG. Nor does he need to be confirmed
2) The deputy AG is a former JAG (military) lawyer/judge
3) Trumps team has been gathering evidence for weeks now to show the people and let them decide if there is fraud or not (which many do agree). This is his MO, show the people the info and let them decide for themselves. Don't rely on the fake news.
4) Talked about the Senate elector votes reading process (FLapp mentioned earlier)
5) Talked about how the fake news is saying, even with a vaxxx, still need mask and stuff. This is to keep the fear narrative going, and to try and counter Trumps efforts for the vaxx, treatments (HCQ stack), etc...
6) Kamala still hasn't resigned her senate seat
This is all from memory, he was talking for a while. So could be some stuff lost in translation.
Post by: Inspector on December 17, 2020, 11:21:45 AM
95.9 this afternoon the DJ was speaking about some things which are new to me.I’d say #1 might be debatable. I recall their being an issue about this before but I don’t recall the outcome.
1) The acting AG (Barr's replacement) doesn't need congress to do major investigations because he is the acting AG. Nor does he need to be confirmed
2) The deputy AG is a former JAG (military) lawyer/judge
3) Trumps team has been gathering evidence for weeks now to show the people and let them decide if there is fraud or not (which many do agree). This is his MO, show the people the info and let them decide for themselves. Don't rely on the fake news.
4) Talked about the Senate elector votes reading process (FLapp mentioned earlier)
5) Talked about how the fake news is saying, even with a vaxxx, still need mask and stuff. This is to keep the fear narrative going, and to try and counter Trumps efforts for the vaxx, treatments (HCQ stack), etc...
6) Kamala still hasn't resigned her senate seat
#3 the way he has been getting all the evidence out there is by lawsuit. Sue the states and cause them to have public hearings on the matter. State public hearings are televised. No need for the lying lame stream media! Pure genius!
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 17, 2020, 12:15:10 PM
I’d say #1 might be debatable. I recall their being an issue about this before but I don’t recall the outcome.
#3 the way he has been getting all the evidence out there is by lawsuit. Sue the states and cause them to have public hearings on the matter. State public hearings are televised. No need for the lying lame stream media! Pure genius!
#1 - The Deputy US Attorney General was nominated to the post by the President, and was confirmed by the Senate. The Senate confirmed Rosen knowing full well that the Deputy would become the acting USAG if his boss was ever unable or unwilling to fulfill the duties of that office. That means (to me) that promoting the Deputy to the AG's position TEMPORARILY would not need a second confirmation. Furthermore, since Barr resigned rather than being fired, it adds to the validity of the appointment.
There have been Constitutional challenges to other appointees including the USAG, but the Supreme Court has denied motions in Senators' lawsuits to require Senate confirmation for these types of situations.
Had Trump fired Barr and/or picked a successor other than the Deputy AG, then a confirmation would be required. To require a second confirmation of a Deputy AG before a temporary appointment to ACTING USAG just seems superfluous.
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 17, 2020, 12:25:42 PM
#1 - The Deputy US Attorney General was nominated to the post by the President, and was confirmed by the Senate. The Senate confirmed Rosen knowing full well that the Deputy would become the acting USAG if his boss was ever unable or unwilling to fulfill the duties of that office. That means (to me) that promoting the Deputy to the AG's position TEMPORARILY would not need a second confirmation. Furthermore, since Barr resigned rather than being fired, it adds to the validity of the appointment.
There have been Constitutional challenges to other appointees including the USAG, but the Supreme Court has denied motions in Senators' lawsuits to require Senate confirmation for these types of situations.
Had Trump fired Barr and/or picked a successor other than the Deputy AG, then a confirmation would be required. To require a second confirmation of a Deputy AG before a temporary appointment to ACTING USAG just seems superfluous.
Thanks for the info. DJ didn't go into too much detail of that.
Post by: omnigun on December 17, 2020, 01:13:00 PM
Mine claims that, but when she out of the blue asks if what may be in the safe is an (A Salt thing)., I know where that came from, overriding several years of my parsing the crap she reads on that liberal sewer.
Criticize the BowelLMove types and she asks if I am a racisss if I oppose their crap. Again, I know where that came from.
How the hell did you stay married. Your hatred of anything liberal is very apparent....
Post by: omnigun on December 17, 2020, 01:18:11 PM
Thanks for the info. DJ didn't go into too much detail of that.
I spent a whole car ride listening to that crazy dude, one morning for curiosity. The level of conspiracy with this guy was off the charts. He spent that morning saying NASA along with the deepstate were going to use the suns solar flares to blackout the world and remake it. Talking about solar storms. And causing intentional worldwide shutdown everything off the grid. Googled that when i parked and it was all bullshit. Enough time passed by the time I write this post that I guess his theory didn't pan out. Music is good on that station, but the commentary is :crazy:
Post by: ren on December 17, 2020, 01:28:09 PM
How the hell did you stay married. Your hatred of anything liberal is very apparent....
I think that's a bit far in your personal attacks. You can argue with someone on their political views but you don't know him and you attack the integrity of his marriage. It is none of your business.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 17, 2020, 01:41:56 PM
How the hell did you stay married. Your hatred of anything liberal is very apparent....
I think that's a bit far in your personal attacks. You can argue with someone on their political views but you don't know him and you attack the integrity of his marriage. It is none of your business.
I'd like to know how the hell OMNIGOON is NOT married! :geekdanc: :rofl: :popcorn: :stopjack:
Post by: punaperson on December 17, 2020, 02:39:41 PM
Post by: punaperson on December 17, 2020, 02:54:37 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/unity-joe-bidens-deputy-chief-staff-calls-republicans-fkers/
Since the election, Joe Biden, Democrats, and their allies in media have been trying to push an insincere and ridiculous message of unity.
They just spent four years insulting Trump and pretty much all of his supporters, but now they want everyone to join hands and sing campfire songs. Sorry, it doesn’t work that way.
On top of that, Biden’s deputy chief of staff Jen O’Malley Dillon just insulted Republicans in a vile way.
Biden aide calls GOP ‘a bunch of fu—–‘ while praising his call for unity
President-elect Joe Biden’s deputy chief of staff, Jen O’Malley Dillon, called Republicans “a bunch of f—ers” while praising Biden’s call for unity in an interview with Glamour magazine.
O’Malley Dillon was responding to a comment from Glamour reporter Glennon Doyle in the interview published Tuesday about redefining “compromise,” saying Biden “rejected” the idea that he could not work with the GOP.
“The president-elect was able to connect with people over this sense of unity,” O’Malley Dillon said. “In the primary, people would mock him, like, ‘You think you can work with Republicans?’ I’m not saying they’re not a bunch of f—ers. Mitch McConnell is terrible. But this sense that you couldn’t wish for that, you couldn’t wish for this bipartisan ideal? He rejected that.”
She continued: “From start to finish, he set out with this idea that unity was possible, that together we are stronger, that we, as a country, need healing, and our politics needs that too.”
The very best response to this came from Megyn Kelly of all people. Check out her tweet below:
(https://i.imgur.com/s59hMTb.png)
That’s it, in a nutshell.
The Democrats don’t want unity. They want submission. They want people to sit down and shut up.
Not going to happen.
Post by: omnigun on December 17, 2020, 03:03:40 PM
I think that's a bit far in your personal attacks. You can argue with someone on their political views but you don't know him and you attack the integrity of his marriage. It is none of your business.
He's done worse attacks to me, and far numerous. He doesn't know me and that hasn't stopped him. I give zero fucks :shaka:
Also wasn't designed as an attack. It was a legit question. People with opposite strong political opinions normally don't get along.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 17, 2020, 03:15:35 PM
He's done worse attacks to me, and far numerous. He doesn't know me and that hasn't stopped him. I give zero fucks :shaka:
Also wasn't designed as an attack. It was a legit question. People with opposite strong political opinions normally don't get along.
WTF does anyone else's marriage have to do with The Biden Report thread?
You can rationalize all you want about how your comments and insults are justified, but you will never justify making all these off-topic comments.
How many times have you had to be reminded to STOP HIJACKING THREADS??
Even if you're directly answering someone else's off-topic question, it doesn't make your off-topic answer/come-back/reply any better. In fact, it makes it worse, as you are dragging the topic EVEN FURTHER off track.
JUST STOP IT!!
:stopjack: :stopjack: :stopjack:
Post by: punaperson on December 17, 2020, 04:19:01 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/AWhtteA.png)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1339262466002472967
Post by: robtmc on December 17, 2020, 07:23:19 PM
I never see what the little pissant posts other than when someone includes some of his/her whining.
You can rationalize all you want about how your comments and insults are justified,
Has issues with me despising liberals? Don't not like it, kid, block me.
Not like I post 1/20 of what he/she posts like having the runs. Will not miss much.
Your wretched, inexperienced life revolves aournd your iFag screen, expect to be mocked.
Or just go away for a few years before deciding to argue with those that have forgotten more than you know.
Post by: Inspector on December 18, 2020, 01:41:34 AM
WTF does anyone else's marriage have to do with The Biden Report thread?In every case I have seen here OG has started it. He starts it with me by first insulting me. That’s why I asked him to stop engaging with me. I can have a conversation with anyone who has a difference of opinion as long as they don’t insult and attack. But the guy just says something really ignorant about me and I am going to defend myself by going on the offensive. A lot of people here have done the same. Plus, the guy does not have an off button nor any self control at all. I have asked him many times to not engage with me. But he won’t stop. He has been asked to stop hijacking threads but he won’t stop. He has been asked many times to quit the insults but he won’t stop. At first, many here including myself have been very nice and understanding trying to explain to him what he did wrong that turned into all the attacks on him. He admits he did wrong and says he knows and he’s working on it. But within 5 minutes he is back at it again. That is why I don’t want to engage with him any more. It is too maddening to try and have a conversation only to be insulted when he gets upset and frustrated.
You can rationalize all you want about how your comments and insults are justified, but you will never justify making all these off-topic comments.
How many times have you had to be reminded to STOP HIJACKING THREADS??
Even if you're directly answering someone else's off-topic question, it doesn't make your off-topic answer/come-back/reply any better. In fact, it makes it worse, as you are dragging the topic EVEN FURTHER off track.
JUST STOP IT!!
:stopjack: :stopjack: :stopjack:
Just like he did with the trolling thread. He starts in the very first post insulting and calling names. And he expects us to be kind and gentle to him. When I broke down the analysis of what happened only between him and myself in the trolling thread, did anyone see him admit he started an argument? No he came right back and tried to justify his insults by saying we do it to him. He doesn’t get that he starts it. He really is a very ignorant person. Pretty narcissistic since he only sees what happens to him and cannot comprehend that he did anything wrong to deserve it.
Lastly, besides having a certain amount of decorum in a forum setting there are some unwritten rules that one just doesn’t do in any setting in life in general. One is not bringing someone’s spouse into the insults. And that is what OG did. He brought Rob’s wife into the insulting. Which he once again started. That’s crossing a line in my book. JMHO
Post by: omnigun on December 18, 2020, 06:19:58 AM
I apologize for bringing robs wife into the convo.
Post by: ren on December 18, 2020, 07:24:02 AM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on December 20, 2020, 06:34:50 PM
He's done worse attacks to me, and far numerous. He doesn't know me and that hasn't stopped him. I give zero fucks :shaka:
Also wasn't designed as an attack. It was a legit question. People with opposite strong political opinions normally don't get along.
While it is a valid question to ask how someone deals with a spouse with very different political views. your delivery didn't come off as a question of genuine interest.
Post by: aletheuo137 on December 20, 2020, 07:08:36 PM
I see that some users feel insulted and attacked by me. I could go on about bias and pot calling kettle. But I won't. This thread is too toxic already.Maybe you should just stick to accusing us of fake news and conspiracy theories
I apologize for bringing robs wife into the convo.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 20, 2020, 08:58:20 PM
I see that some users feel insulted and attacked by me. I could go on about bias and pot calling kettle. But I won't. This thread is too toxic already.
I apologize for bringing robs wife into the convo.
Maybe you should just stick to accusing us of fake news and conspiracy theories
When someone makes a comment like he/she did (e.g. I'd tell you you're a dumbass, but I won't sink to your level.), that's nothing more than a passive-aggressive cowardly tactic meant to imply that he/she's NOT insulting you, when in fact he/she obviously just did.
I'm 95% positive he/she belives he/she literally did not post an insult.
Sad. I almost feel bad for him/her.
Post by: aieahound on December 20, 2020, 09:24:38 PM
I know you have me blocked because you‘re a snowflake and can’t handle being triggered but you insult people who disagree with you regularly.
It IS the pot calling the kettle black when it comes from you.
Just let the others who have credibility and respect call him on it if they feel the need to.
(Which Ren did)
Post by: omnigun on December 20, 2020, 10:50:32 PM
When someone makes a comment like he/she did (e.g. I'd tell you you're a dumbass, but I won't sink to your level.), that's nothing more than a passive-aggressive cowardly tactic meant to imply that he/she's NOT insulting you, when in fact he/she obviously just did.
I'm 95% positive he/she belives he/she literally did not post an insult.
Sad. I almost feel bad for him/her.
I was trying to defuse the situation and apologize, you know the thing you never do.
My comment was an insult and a question at the same time. Wasn't intended purely to be an insult but I look back at it and it clearly was. I have no qualms with insulting rob, as he has none with me. Just like I have no issue with insulting you. I took it a bit too far I guess and that's why I apologized for it.
Post by: hvybarrels on December 21, 2020, 02:46:04 AM
Still sucks for the USDA though. We need competent staff and not dirty politicians to help us through the coming food crisis. After publishing shameless fake news for years now the guardian is crying. Dummies.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/21/joe-biden-tom-vilsack-agriculture-secretary
Post by: Inspector on December 21, 2020, 03:05:53 AM
Something I noticed is that progressives and lefties are becoming more disenchanted with their choice. Once hate goes out of the equation it is like scales falling off their eyes and they can start to see the horrible mistake they made. I went through this 12 years ago when Obama made his cabinet picks and it became clear he was just another corporate tool, but not like McCain was any better.Unfortunately, I see most of Biden’s picks for the various positions are really pretty much the same as this guy is. Do nothing Bureaucrats. Probably worse than what we had with Obama or the same. Sad.
Still sucks for the USDA though. We need competent staff and not dirty politicians to help us through the coming food crisis. After publishing shameless fake news for years now the guardian is crying. Dummies.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/21/joe-biden-tom-vilsack-agriculture-secretary
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 21, 2020, 09:28:51 AM
Unfortunately, I see most of Biden’s picks for the various positions are really pretty much the same as this guy is. Do nothing Bureaucrats. Probably worse than what we had with Obama or the same. Sad.
That's why Trumps positions are only held for short times. Either they're there to do a specific job then they're out (which they know before taking the job), or if you're not doing your job, you're fired. The days of do nothing and keeping your job were over.
And of course the fake news makes it like orange man bad every time someone leaves. The only issue I did have was when Mad Dog left. He was brought in to destroy ISIS, which he did. But after resigning, he didn't have nice things to say about Trump.
On a somewhat related note, Biden's niece was handed her sentence for driving while drugged out without a license. She hit a tree in 2019. She got 20 days "house arrest", which was also given for time already served while she was in rehab. So pretty much nothing happens to her punishment wise. This isn't her first encounter with the law either.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 21, 2020, 11:51:14 AM
When someone makes a comment like he/she did (e.g. I'd tell you you're a dumbass, but I won't sink to your level.), that's nothing more than a passive-aggressive cowardly tactic meant to imply that he/she's NOT insulting you, when in fact he/she obviously just did.
I'm 95% positive he/she belives he/she literally did not post an insult.
Sad. I almost feel bad for him/her.
I was trying to defuse the situation and apologize, you know the thing you never do.
My comment was an insult and a question at the same time. Wasn't intended purely to be an insult but I look back at it and it clearly was. I have no qualms with insulting rob, as he has none with me. Just like I have no issue with insulting you. I took it a bit too far I guess and that's why I apologized for it.
Thanks for confirming my hypothesis -- that you didn't know you were insulting anyone. This is often what happens when someone is so quick to reply to every thread and every comment. You don't spend time to digest what others are saying, and half the time don't take a moment to read what you're about to post.
I've canceled many of my posts after seeing that what I was writing was more to express my emotions than engage in serious discussion. So I click cancel instead. I'm sure I'm not alone. This is especially true when I find myself responding to trolls. Writing the reply makes me feel better, but posting it only feeds your/their depraved need for attention -- so I deny you/them this.
I bet if you cared enough to read what you wrote before submitting, you'd not only post fewer times, but your spelling and grammar would improve astronomically. :thumbsup:
Post by: punaperson on December 23, 2020, 09:30:28 AM
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/joe_biden_has_outlived_his_usefulness.html
Joe Biden has outlived his usefulness
If you think Joe Biden's term as presumed president will extend through a full four years, there are a few used Dominion voting machines I'm offering to sell you at discounted prices. In fact, I'll make a prediction that his trusted staff of doctors, within three weeks after the inauguration, if not sooner, will sadly come to the conclusion that the Big Man has developed some severe mysterious symptoms requiring him to resign his office and hand it over to his V.P., Kamala Harris. Under the provisions of the 25th Amendment, enacted after President Kennedy's assassination, it appears that when Kamala assumes the role as president, she can nominate someone to replace her as V.P. If you recall, back in 1974, after Nixon resigned and Ford assumed the presidency, Ford nominated Nelson Rockefeller to be his V.P.
Post by: punaperson on December 29, 2020, 02:20:06 PM
Joe, Joe, Joe... you fucking demented idiot. We only get the truth via dementia... Biden's or Olberman's.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1344055804136194050
(https://i.imgur.com/tUxza2L.png)
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 29, 2020, 08:11:10 PM
Cant believe how stupid someone has to be to believe the crap they were spewing.
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Post by: omnigun on December 29, 2020, 08:44:11 PM
The fake news had biden on and the title blaming trump for lack of vaxx, only x amount have been vaxxed. Well maybe cause its reserved for a certain group of people and not everyone yet. Also title was failure if warp speed or some horse shit.
Cant believe how stupid someone has to be to believe the crap they were spewing.
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That certain group of people are not even fully vaccinated. That destroys that theory. This is only based of Trumps own staff words of X amount of people vaccinated by the end of December. They didn't meet their own goals. His creation of the vaccine worked though I give credit for that.
Post by: macsak on December 29, 2020, 09:27:39 PM
Post by: macsak on December 29, 2020, 09:28:24 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 29, 2020, 09:50:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGyYhaTgoX8
Post by: punaperson on December 29, 2020, 10:07:31 PM
That f*cker looks like a walking idiot.That f*cker looks like a shuffling idiot.
FIFY
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 30, 2020, 09:07:16 AM
That certain group of people are not even fully vaccinated. That destroys that theory. This is only based of Trumps own staff words of X amount of people vaccinated by the end of December. They didn't meet their own goals. His creation of the vaccine worked though I give credit for that.
They are not fully vaxxed because they have to wait at least 28 days for the 2nd vaxx to be given.
Post by: omnigun on December 30, 2020, 09:21:07 AM
They are not fully vaxxed because they have to wait at least 28 days for the 2nd vaxx to be given.
I believe Trumps goal was X amount of people given the first shot and they are very far from that goal. And at the current rate it would take many years to get herd immunity.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 30, 2020, 09:33:34 AM
I believe Trumps goal was X amount of people given the first shot and they are very far from that goal. And at the current rate it would take many years to get herd immunity.
Years? Yeah, if you believe the percentages needed for herd immunity which Fauci keeps changing. The SCIENTIFIC percentage, based on infection rates, is 60-70%.
Realistic estimates show herd immunity can be reached by Summer 2021 in the US.
(https://i.imgur.com/hIUqkJV.png)
https://covid19-projections.com/path-to-herd-immunity/
Post by: Jl808 on March 23, 2021, 07:22:28 AM
https://nationalfile.com/digitally-altered-watch-joe-bidens-hands-appear-to-magically-phase-through-microphone/